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I'm tracing Colliss family Samuel b 1799 Warwickshire, m Catherine Bloomer, children Joseph (transported to Australia 1842 for stealing shoes, my descendant), Emma b 1828, Hannah b 1832, Alfred b 1836. Alfred (gold engraver married Ann ? milliner, lived Southwark 1861. Would like to go further back if possible, and know what happened to Joseph's siblings, if any came to Australia?
Rebecca :)
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Hi Rebecca
Welcome to Rootschat.
I think that Alfred and Ann COLLISS ended up in the USA....
1870 Census USA New Jersey Essex Newark
Ward 7/ Roll M593_881/Page 39B
COLLISS
Alfred Head Marr 34 Engraver Born England
Ann Wife Marr 31 At Home Born England
I will she what else I can find out about them for you
Cheers
Karenlee
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Looks like Alfred may have remarried...
1880 Census USA New Jersey Essex Newark
District 88/Roll 779/Page 275A
11 Chatham Street
COLLISS
Alfred White Male 45 Engraver Born England Both Parents born England
Ellen White Female 35 Wife Born Glasgow Parents born Scotland
There is no surviving 1890 Census for the USA... not seeing them on the 1900 Census as yet.
Cheers
Karenlee
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New York Passenger Lists
Aboard the "Java"
May 4th 1870
COLLIS
Alfred 35 Male Labr English
Ann 32 Female Wife English
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi
Looks like when he was baptised Alfred was given the second name of Benjamin....
Baptism Register
Saint Phillips Birmingham
Warwickshire
Born 29th Feb 1836
Baptised 3rd Oct 1836
Alfred Benjamin COLLISS
Father = Samuel COLLISS
Mother = Catherine
FreeBMD shows this marriage..
Marriages Index December Quarter 1859
King's Norton Warwickshire
Volume 6c Page 758
COLLIS Alfred Benjamin
JOSEBURY Ann
Of course to be absolutely sure you should purchase this marriage certificate to confirm father's name for Alfred.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Rebecca
Not sure if you have all this, apologies if you do...
All events were at Saint Phillips Birmingham Warwickshire
Parents were Samuel and Catherine COLLISS
Baptisms
Joseph COLLISS
22nd April 1822
Emma COLLISS
14th April 1828
William COLLISS
22nd Oct 1838
Samuel COLLISS
31st July 1826
Mary Ann COLLISS
Born 30th May 1820
16th Aug 1820
Hannah COLLISS
Born 29th July 1831 Cherry Street
29th July 1831
Burial Register
Samuel COLLISS aged 9 born about 1818
27th April 1827
Richard COLLISS aged 1 born 1823
13th July 1824
William COLLISS
13th Jan 1840
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi Rebecca,
There is another Child in the 1851 Census;
1851 Census
32 Mott St,
Birmingham St George, Warwickshire
HO107/2058/411/15
Samuel CALLISS, 52, Head, Mar, Plater
Catherine, 53, Wife, Mar
Mary Ann, 30, Daug, Unm, Dressmaker
Catherine, 25, Daug, Unm, Stay Maker
Hannah, 19, Daug, Unm, Button Coverer
Alfred, 15, Son, Unm, Engraver
All born Birmingham, Warwick
1841 there is at home;
Saml, 42
Catherine, 44
Emma, 13
Hannah, 9
Alfred, 5
Christenings to SAMUEL/CATHERINE at St Phillips, Birmingham, Warwickshire;
MARY ANN, 16 August 1820
JOSEPH, 22 April 1822
SAMUEL, 31 July 1826
EMMA, 14 April 1828
Marriage;
Mary Ann COLLISS, Age 32, Birth 1820, Father SAMUEL Colliss
William TODD, Age 40, Birth 1812, Father WILLIAM Todd
17 November 1852, St Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick
All Records Familysearch Pilot
Trish :)
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Rebecca
From the familysearch pilot site..
New York Marriages
Manhattan New York
COLLISS ( COLLIN ) Alfred B
LYONS Ellen Jane
9th Sept 1875
Groom's Father = Samuel COLLIN
Groom's Mother = Catherine BLOOMER
Bride's Father = Guete? LYONS
Bride's Mother = Margaret BOUTON
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi Karenlee :)
The entry for Mary Ann on F/S Pilot is a bit confusing but as she appears in 1851 Census I think it has been mistranscribed and marriage info confirms DOB .
Christened 16 Aug 1820
Birth 30 May 1830
Trish.
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Hey Trish
Yeah, I noticed that one, but considered it impossible for someone to have been baptised prior to birth.... ;D ;D ;D
Family search pilot has a marriage for an Emma COLLISS to a Thomas GRIFFITH 1850 Birmingham that might be a possible... no parents mentioned tho
Karenlee
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Anything is possible in some Families we research ;)
Possible;
Christening, SAMUEL Collis, 29 November 1798, St Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick
To SAMUEL and ANN
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Cannot see where Alfred Benjamin COLLISS had any children with either wife.
This looks like his death though..
Neward Essex New Jersey
26th Sept 1895
Alfred B COLLISS
aged 59
Born about 1836 in England
Occupation = Engraver
Married
Both parents born England
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First wife Ann...
Death
Newark Essex New Jersey
2nd Feb 1874
Anna COLLISS
aged 35 born about 1838 in England
Married
Entry says father was Alfred but wonder if that was husband Alfred??
1900 USA Census shows Ellen COLLISS still in Essex Newark New Jersey, widowed, born Oct 1844 Scotland.
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Thank you so much! :) Fantastic information! Filling in lots of gaps. Much appreciated.
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Rebecca
Are you able to access the UK Census to follow up on Mary Ann TODD nee COLLISS and her family?? If not, I can post it all for you.
Cheers
Karenlee
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If you could post it that would be fantastic Karenlee! Thank you so much :)
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Rebecca
No worries.... and this might be Catherine's baptism... no proof though..
Baptism Register
St John Deritend and Bordesley
Warwickshire
30th July 1797
Catherine BLOOMER
Father = Joseph BLOOMER
Mother = Catherine
Karenlee
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1871 Census England Warwickshire Aston Duddeston
RG10/3150/50/35
47 Bloomsbury
TODD
William Head Marr 58 Green Grocer Birmingham Warwickshire
Mary A Wife Marr 50 Green Grocer Birmingham Warwickshire
1881 Census England Warwickshire Aston Duddeston
RG11/3028/59/20
7 Bloomsbury
TODD
William Head Marr 69 Green Grocer Birmingham Warwickshire
Mary A Wife Marr 60 Birmingham Warwickshire
George HEMMING Lodger Unmarr 36 General Labourer Birmingham Warwickshire
Not seeing her after this..
Karenlee
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FreeBMD shows...
Death Index
September Quarter 1887
Aston Warwickshire
Volume 6d Page 193
TODD Mary Ann aged 67
Death Index
June Quarter
Aston Warwickshire
Volume 6d Page 182
TODD William aged 76
Karenlee
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The marriage you found is correct Karenlee;
1851 Census
Mott St
Birmingham/Warwick
HO107/2058/411/15
Thomas GRIFFITHS, 23, Mar, Gun Finisher
EMMA, 23, Wife, Mar
Both born Birmingham and living a couple of doors down from Sam/Cath ;)
1871 they are in St Mary Whitechaple, London, with Daug Hannah born c 1853, Birmingham. He is a Gun maker.
I havent found them in 1861
(just realised I'd posted 1851 instead of 1861!)
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Trish
I found this couple as well, had hope to find some family living with them and totally forgot to check close neighbours :-[
What happened to Hannah, have we found her yet??
Karenlee
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No havent found Hannah yet (am working in between making Dinner etc!)
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Yeah me too... well,waiting for OH to get home so that we can order pizza for dinner.... 2 for Tues and all that stuff ya know ;D ;D ;D
So we have Alfred, Joseph, Emma and Mary Ann.... Richard, Samuel and William all died young... so that leaves Hannah?? Have I missed anyone?
Karenlee
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Hello
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1861 Rg9/203 folio 43 page 27 St Luke Middlesex
Kings ??
James Griffiths age 33 Gun maker born Birmingham Handsworth
Emm wife age 33 Birmingham Handsworth
Hannah dau age 6 Birmingham Handsworth
Pam
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Ooooh Pam
Think its King Street.
Karenlee
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I dont think so.
There is a Marriage on FreeBMD;
Hannah COLLISS, Dec 1852, West Bromwich, 6b 836
To either;
John GRIFFITHS
Walter KENDRICK
I wonder if they could have Married Brothers?
I will look later but after a quick search could match them up in Census entries :-\
EDIT; well done Pam in finding the Griffiths in 1861 :)
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Have to go off-line for a while!
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1861 Census England Warwickshire Birmingham St George
RG9/2161/124/28
232 Back Farm Street
GRIFFITHS
John Head Marr 29 Gun Finisher Birmingham Warwickshire
Hannah Wife Marr 28 Birmingham Warwickshire
With that occupation it looks likely that they were brothers
Karenlee
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Not sure about this but I think Hannah died and John remarried...
1871 Census England Warwickshire Birmingham Aston Duddeston
RG10/3153/55/27
27 Johnson Street
GRIFFITHS
John Head Marr 39 Gun Maker Birmingham Warwickshire
Ellen Wife Marr 32 Birmingham Warwickshire
Ellen Dau Unmarr 13 Birmingham Warwickshire
Joseph Son Unmarr 11 Birmingham Warwickshire
Clara Dau Unmarr 9 Birmingham Warwickshire
William Son Unmarr 7 Birmingham Warwickshire
Mari?? Dau Unmarr 4 Birmingham Warwickshire
John Son Unmarr 1 Birmingham Warwickshire
Karenlee
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Well done Karenlee :)
Looks like the whole Family was in the Business if this is the right one;
1841 Census
Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire
HO1071150/1/Aston
Thomas GRIFFITHS, 40, Gun Finisher
Martha, 40
Alfred, 20, Gun Finisher
Ann, 15
THOMAS, 13, Gun Finisher
JOHN, 11, (may be a Gun Finisher also, as it looks like a ditto)
Alice, 9
Harriet, 5
Caroline, 7mths
All born in County
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1861 Census William and Mary A TODD have with them;
William, 20, Military Ornament Maker
Joanna, 18, Metal Button Maker
+ a Neice Visiting.
As these Children were born before William and Mary Married it looks like he was a Widower.
William and Mary seem to have not had any Children together.
Trish :)
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Trish mentioned a daughter Catherine in the 1851 census?
Just checking, Hannah married John or Thomas Griffiths?
Emma married Thomas or James Griffiths?
Emma was the only one to have children?
I had hoped Joseph was reunited with some family in Australia, but it doesn't seem so. He did name the first of his 13 children Mary Ann, so had a fond memory of his older sister?
Rebecca :) :)
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Hello
One census has Thomas Griffiths and another has James Griffiths both have Emma wife ??
Pam
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Thank you :) :)
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I know it is a bit confusing but without M/Certs we are just going by what we can find from FreeBMd and Census entries.
I cant find anything on Catherine after 1851 census. It is possible she emigrated or married with name mistranscribed or just under Kate etc, so it is hard to find.
Trish :)
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Thank you all so much. Fantastic, and so quick! Great to know more about Joseph's family. Much appreciated :) :) :)
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Have since found Martha Collis b 16 Nov 1829, Charles born 3 June 1834. Would like to follow up on the Collis family if anyone has any more information.