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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: KBroomfield on Tuesday 02 November 10 02:31 GMT (UK)
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Seeking info on - Richard Broomfield c1790 a Baker in Edinburgh. married Catharine Stevenson on 20/12/1812 at St Andrews - Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh. Catharine's father was John Stevenson a Smith. A child of Richard and Catharine, John was born 24/3/1829 in Edinburgh went to Victoria, Australia c1855. John married Susan Brooks.
Any help greatly appreciated :)
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Hi K,
you may already have this: the list records that Catherine, relict of Richard died in 1830 aged 32
http://www.scotsfind.org/canongateburials_access/canongateburials.pdf
brigau
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Hi, again,
Do you subscribe to ancestry? By searching Richard Broomfield, born 1750 Edinburgh >>Schools, Directories & Church History, it gives many references to Adam Broomfield, Baker in Edinburgh from ca1809 & also, a little later on, a William, possibly the same family? A Richard Broomfield also bought a book on mathematics in 1783.
brigau
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Thank you so much for the info - I have been searching for such a long time for info on Richard and Catharine but never been able to find anything other than their marriage record in 1812 on the LDS site ! I didnt pay the money to join ancestory.com because I thought it would be to no avail as I even contacted a scotish researcher a couple of years ago, only to be told she couldnt find anything on Richard & Catharine apart from the marriage I already had. I think that Adam is Richards brother, he had a son Adam Jnr that also came to Australia. Hopefully I can find a death or birth for Richard... thank you so much for your help :)
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That's a great find brigau regarding a possible brother Adam :) Sometimes following through possible siblings can get you closer to the information.
Adam Broomfield looks to have died in 1856, aged 74. There is an Inventory entry in the Wills & Testament section of Scotlands People on 11/06/1856, which shows Adam as Baker at Arniston Place in Edinburgh. Also, a corresponding death entry in 1856 for Adam in Edinburgh.
There are two marriages showing for an Adam Broomfield on IGI in Nov. 1812 and Aug. 1819, likely first wife died? Some children showing from both marriages and Adam shows in both the 1841 and 1851 censuses (1841 shows him as born outside of the county of Midlothian, 1851 shows Edinburgh).
The important thing about Brigau's find of Adam is that you should be able to confirm Adam's parents' names from his 1856 death cert which is available to download on pay to view www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Might give you further clues to work on.
Monica
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Thanks Monica, I have been searching on and off for a few years now, every time I think Ive had enough, something makes me start searching again and the whole process starts again ::) here I go again !
Cheers
Karyn
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That's the way it goes Karyn! Sometimes good to take a break when you have banged your head too hard and come back to it refreshed :)
I can't see any reference to Richard on the 1841/51 censuses. I also can't see a John b. 1829. Have you been able to find him in the earlier censuses prior to his departure c. 1855?
Monica
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John has been so hard to trace - I have a copy of his death certificate, he died in Ballarat Aust in 1885, aged 56, it states 30 years in Victoria and his birth place in Edinburgh. I have heaps of information on his wife, but have never been able to find any information on the actual date John migrated to Oz or the name of the ship. I have searched the assisted and non assisted migrants as well as ships lists looking for him but to no avail. Its been like finding a needle in a haystack!
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Can't see anything at all for father or son in 1841/51 :-\ Also, apart from that 1812 marriage entry, nothing more for Richard is there.
You can use http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ which has 100% coverage now for Midlothian for 1841. I've used the transcripts for the whole of Scotland from another site and nothing showing at all.
Can't see anything either for other children (must have been some if John was born c. 1829 and parents married in 1812). The name Broomfield is not that common so easier to go through most/all entries.
Monica
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Thanks so much for all the info Monica, I will keep plodding along and see if I can find anything else - I have spent hour upon hour searching for siblings of John but never been able to find anything! ... back to the drawing board :-\
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Hi,
These are the transcribed records for Broomfield in Edinburgh trade directories:
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I've just noticed that Catherine was 14 when she married Richard :o
brigau
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Legal age for girls in those days was 12!
Monica
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Here's another wee snippet from Google books - the Broomfields had a long tradition of baking in Edinburgh!
Scottish Records Society Publications: Part 27, 1905, Page 573
http://tinyurl.com/2wnzwuc
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Hi both,
<<Legal age for girls in those days was 12!>> It's just that I'm not sure I was ready for marriage at 26, Monica. Different times!!
Just to re-cap on what we know so far:
1812 Adam Broomfield married Elizabeth Field, Edinburgh
1819 Adam Broomfield married Jean Fairbairn, St Cuthbert's Edinburgh
1830 Feb: Catherine Stevenson died, she was the relict of Richard Broomfield, so if their son John was born in July 1829, Richard must have died between July1828 & Feb 1830
1830 Feb: John Stevenson, Smith died at the Canongate Charity Workhouse, aged 70 of old age.
1831 Feb: John Stevenson, Bookseller died at 60 North Castle St aged 40
1831 Nov: Jane McDonald, widow of John Stevenson, Smith died at 121 Princes St aged 49
1832 July Archibald Stevenson, Blacksmith, died at Jack's Lodge aged 31
1838 Sep Janet Woof, wife of Robert Stevenson, Smith, died at Canongate aged 35
1840 Feb Robert Stevenson, Blacksmith died at the Royal Infirmary aged 42
The above is mostly from the Canongate burials pdf, picking up on the name Stevenson, occupation: Smith. What puzzles me is that there are many Stevenson references in the pdf, but not Broomfield, which makes me wonder if the Broomfields, although having an evident long standing connection with the Canongate Parish, had their roots elsewhere.
brigau
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A bit more, but not exhaustive, from IGI, searching Broomfield, Midlothian:
children of Adam Broomfield & Elizabeth Field:
Margaret born 1813 St Cuthbert's Edinburgh
James born 1815 St Cuthberts, Edinburgh
children of Adam Broomfield & Jane Fairbairn:
Agnes born 1823 St Cuthbert's Edinburgh
James born 1826 St Cuthberts, Edinburgh
children of John Stevenson & Jane McDonald (IGI extracted):
James born 1803 Canongate (father's name given as John Thomas Stevenson)
Elizabeth born 1806, Canongate
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ok now Im on a whole new track ??? I always thought that Catharine was the daughter of John Stevenson and Mary Milne born on 14th Dec 1788, but now I have her death entry it is obvious that this is not her... Im going to sit down with all this new information you two have kindly forwarded on to me and see what I can work out.
Thank you so much for the help ... I think I have a few late nights on the computer coming up ! ::)
Cheers
Karyn :)
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Hi Brigau
You kindly posted the link for the Canongate Burials in our previous converswation, have you any idea why the link no longer works? I wanted to do a screen dump of the record of Catherine Broomfields deayh entry but every time I clink on your link I get a google page? any idea why I can no longer wee the info? ???
cheers
Karyn
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Karyn, have a look at this post www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,505880.0.html and Chris Paton's suggestion at http://web.archive.org/web/20080602101740/http://www.scotsfind.org/
Monica :)
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Thanks so much monica - your a gem :D
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The Sydney Morning Herald of 28th November 1855 reports that ' "The Waterloo" sailed from Plymouth on 14th August and arrived in Sydney on 27th November, 1855.' The Waterloo was a Duncan Dunbar ship, possibly built in Sunderland. I think that there is a very strong likelihood that John Broomfield from Edinburgh was the Mr Broomfield a passenger on this voyage. John Broomfield as an Immigrant does not appear in the State Records of New South Wales or PRO VIC. I wonder why his arrival was missed?
John Broomfield died on 13th August, 1885 at 59 Wellington Street, Collingwood and on his Death Certificate it states that he was in Victoria for 30 years which would make it 1855. On this Certificate John's age is given as 56 and his parents are recorded as Richard Broomfield a Baker and Catherine (Stevenson) Broomfield.
Within a very short period (days rather than weeks) John moved on quite possibly to Buninyong before or at the same time that he settled in Ballarat. A Crown Grant's reference shows that in 1855 a John Broomfield was granted land in Buninyong - Por 22, Lot 31 No 38261 'the Grant was made on 6th December, 1855 to a John Broomfield 20a 3r 26p, at Buninyong' [Crown Land Deeds - PRO VIC land records]. Response from the Buninyong and District Historical Society on 20th January, 2012 "I checked our records and the only reference I found was in the 1856 Electoral Roll for John Bromfield, farmer, Mount Buninyong. He would have been one of the very early purchases of land in that very beautiful and fertile area near Mount Buninyong. It would appear he soon sold the land, because his name does not appear in any other directories or rate records in Buninyong."
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Scotland - Censuses -
* 1841 a Broomfield Household with Bakers as Occupations - is listed at 7 West Newington, Newington, St Cuthberts, Midlothian - Adam Broomfield 58 a Baker (born outside the County); James Broomfield 26 a Baker, Journeyman; John Broomfield 18 a Baker Apprentice, born c1823 St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian; James Broomfield 15; Jane Broomfield 47 and Agnes Broomfield 16. Two questions arise - 1. Is this possibly John Broomfield born c1823/1824 and not in 1829? 2. Is James Broomfield 26 an older brother to John Broomfield c1823/1824?
* In 1851 at Sibbald Place, St Cuthberts, Midlothian - Adam Broomfield 69 Retired Baker; James Broomfield 24 a Mercantile Clerk and Agnes Broomfield 27 Housekeeper (part of the family from the 1841 Census).
* While in 1851 at 73 Pleasance Street, Barony of Canongate, St Cuthberts, Midlothian there are two people - John Broomfield 27, Head a Baker Unmarried, born in Edinburgh, Barony of Canongate, Midlothian - employing 2 Men. (Once again - is this possibly John Broomfield born c1823/1824 and not 1829?) and his sister Elizabeth Broomfield 23 Unmarried born Edinburgh, Barony of Canongate, Midlothian (this throws things out as Elizabeth Broomfield would have been born c1828). However a person's age as recorded in these Censuses is only approximate, and Elizabeth may have been say 25. A conclusion I could draw [in the absence of birth or baptism records which remain elusive] is that John Broomfield was more likely born c1824 and not 1829.
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This is my assessment -
Richard Broomfield or Bromfield
1790–1825
BIRTH 16 FEB 1790 • Greenlaw, Berwickshire, Scotland
DEATH 4 DEC 1825 • St Marys Wynd, Royal Mile, Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland.
Catharine Stevenson
1793–1830
BIRTH 6 JUL 1793 • Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland
DEATH 10 FEB 1830 • Infirmary, Canongate (Holyrood), Edinburgh, Scotland
John Broomfield
1824–1885
BIRTH C1824 • Edinburgh, Midlothian
DEATH 13 AUG 1885 • 59 Wellington Street, Collingwood, Victoria, Australia.