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Title: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: ronhen on Saturday 04 August 07 04:57 BST (UK)
Looking for infomation on
Atwell William b 1828/9 married Jane Willis b 1835/6

William parents Samuel Atwell and Sarah Bushell
Jane parents were Christopher george Willis mother listed as Jane--
On their death certs there is a discrepancy on the place of marriage

William's cert reads married Clones Monaghan
Jane's cert reads  married Fermanagh
Any help would be greatly appreciated
RON
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 04 August 07 17:07 BST (UK)
William Attwell (age 22), son of Samuel Attwell, married 29 Sept.1854 Newtownbutler, Co. Fermanagh, to Jane Willis (age 23), dau. of George Willis.

Perhaps they also lived at Clones, only a few miles down the road across the border, or perhaps they lived between the two towns.
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: ronhen on Sunday 05 August 07 01:04 BST (UK)
to aghadowey from ronhen
Your info cleared up the mystery of the difference on the death certs. William & Jane Atwell migrtated to Queensland Australia when he was approx 22. I am wonderig what was the occupation of the two fathers of William and Jane.

ronhen
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 05 August 07 10:28 BST (UK)
A copy of the actual marriage certificate should give additional details like fathers' occupations and residence of bride and groom at time of marriage as well as actual place of marriage and names of witnesses.
As they were so close to the border I would suggest searching both Fermanagh and Monaghan when looking for the family in Ireland. Another thing to consider is religion when searching for records here- if they were Protestant the most likely possibilities are Church of Ireland, Protestant or Methodist (there are a lot of Methodists in Co. Fermanagh descended from English settlers).
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: ronhen on Sunday 05 August 07 11:01 BST (UK)
Hi
aghadowey
You are right. I am in Queensland Australia and my niece and I have gleaned info from the death cert of the two people. The info is only as good as the relatives that supply the details.
William Atwell  Father Samuel Atwell and His wife was Sarah Bushell Occupation given as farmer
Jane Atwell father Christopher George Willis Mother Jane --no surname given occupation of father given as farmer.
No other details about ireland are given.  I will have to check if they had any children in Ireland before they migrated to Australia

Ronhen
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: maryderry on Sunday 05 August 07 15:37 BST (UK)
WILLIAM ATTWELL AGE 22. M.  JANE WILLIS AGE 23. 29-9-1854 AT GALLOON   COFI.  PARISH OF GALLOON. CIVIL DISTRICT  CLONES. CO. FERMANAGH, IRE.

FATHERS. SAMUEL ATTWELL & GEORGE WILLIS.


                                 regards mary.
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 05 August 07 16:54 BST (UK)
Interesting- that might explain Clones/Fermanagh on death certificates. Church of Ireland website lists Galloon (St. Congall) Newtownbutler in Diocese of Clogher and there are contact details.
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: ronhen on Monday 06 August 07 06:34 BST (UK)
Hi
Aghadowey and Maryderry
Thanks for the information That clears up the discrepencies on the two death certs.
Working from Australia is interesting. William Atwell and Jane Willis came to Australia in approx 1856. We are trying to trace the ship etc. But in the BMD's for Queensland we have the birth of 5 children but the deaths later of 6. There must have been children born in Ireland so we will have work on that. But death certs are iffy because the details sre given by a child of the marriage.  We are trying to sort out the differences in the two death certs regarding the section headed CHILDREN. I believe Jane willis gave the details on Williams cert and Janes info was given by the son George.  The two lists differ so its more work.  I was wondering if you can find out if there were any children born in Ireland. If its too much to ask just say so

Ronhen
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 06 August 07 10:12 BST (UK)
Unfortunately civil registration of births in Ireland only began in 1864, well after the Atwells left Ireland, so for earlier records you need to know religion, find correct church and then see if the church records for that period still exist. The church they got married in (Galloon Church of Ireland) may have been the bride's church and not the church (or religion) of the groom but a starting point would be to see how far back the records for it go.
Fianna website gives Galloon Parish Church 1798 but does not specify whether baptisms, marriages, burials, etc. The Church of Ireland General Synod report (1999) says records copied at PRONI (Public Records Office of Northern Ireland). Unfortunately I could not find the church records in LDS catalog.
 
Title: Atwell Family
Post by: ronhen on Wednesday 05 December 07 03:40 GMT (UK)
Samuel Atwell married Sarah Bushell two children William b1828 approx and Daniel both migrated to australia. I am wondering if there were other children Bros and sisters who went to Aust or stayed in Fermanagh Ireland William married Jane Willis in Fermanagh Ireland Thry married approx 1855

Ron H
Title: Re: Atwell Family
Post by: maryderry on Wednesday 05 December 07 17:23 GMT (UK)
marriage.  WILLIAM ATTWELL TO JANE WILLIS 29-9-1854 @ GALLON COFI, GALLON, CLONES,FERMANAGH.



                                      regards mary. :)
Title: Re: Atwell Family
Post by: ronhen on Thursday 06 December 07 03:59 GMT (UK)
Thanks Merryderry. Agreat help. I am in Australia I am descended from William Atwell whose marriage you have shown me. I have found here relatives of Daniel Atwell. So we know that William and Daniel came to Australia. But we are wondering if we can trace if William and Daniel have any other brothers or sisters?

RonH
Title: Re: Atwell Family
Post by: Clairybums on Thursday 03 January 08 02:03 GMT (UK)
Found a Samuel Atwill in the Tithes listed in Derrastatin in Galloon Parish. Year was 1834. Samuel Atwell is also listed in the Griffiths Valuation (townland spelled Derrysteaton but will only be a variant spelling of same as with name spellings). There is a William listed too under the same townland but as he is also in the Tithes that would be too early to be Samuel's son so possibly a brother or cousin of Samuel.

Claire McC
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: ambroomhall1 on Monday 02 November 09 00:42 GMT (UK)
Ronhen

Have just come across your chat regards William Atwell and Jane Willis. I am trying to confirm if William Atwell born abt.1829 is son of William and Jane. Would like any other info regards to this family.

Alan Broomhall
Melbourne, Australia :)
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: ronhen on Wednesday 04 November 09 01:36 GMT (UK)
Hi Alan
In reply to your Query. The William Atwell I have on my family tree ATWELL William b abt 1828 fermanagh Ireland
PARENTS
ATWELL Samuel B abt 1808 Fermanagh Ire
BUSHELL Sarah b abt 1814 fermanagh Ire
Williams marriage
married Jane Willis b abt 1831 have no marriage date
William died in Brisbane Q Aust 1895.
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: ronhen on Wednesday 04 November 09 03:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Alan
William Atwell b 1829 had 12 Children 1 of whom was also William b 28 Jun 1864.

Ron Hendry
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: ambroomhall1 on Wednesday 04 November 09 12:39 GMT (UK)
Ron
Have a connection to Harriet Atwell daughter of William Atwell born 1859 married to Mary Hellier . Are they connected to William & Jane Willis??? I only have 5 of William & Jane's children recorded! What are the rest. I can be contacted at (*) Would love a hand with this if connected.

Much Appreciated!!
Alan

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Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: ambroomhall1 on Wednesday 04 November 09 13:05 GMT (UK)
Ron,

I am originally from Brisbane, Queensland and have only started searching the BD & M and Have George, Margaret Daniel & Christopher as Children but want to know if William born 1859 is their child also!

Alan
Title: Re: ATWELL Family Fermangh
Post by: ronhen on Thursday 05 November 09 01:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Alan
My e-mail address is (*) please contact me there and give me your e-mail address and I'll send the info

Ron H

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