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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: mariac on Tuesday 26 October 10 11:50 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
Iam trying to find any info on Donald and Christy McDonald who left Scotland in 1852 and arrived South Australia on "Hercules" July 1853 with their 3 children.
MacDONALD DONALD 39 HOUGHARRY
CHRISTY 35 NORTH UIST
RORY 6
ALEXANDER 3
NORMAN 1
I would appreciate any help.
Thank you,
Kind Regards
mariac
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Hi Mariac,
What sort of information are you after?
nothing further in the BISA
McDONALD Donald born about 1814 arrived 1853 aboard the HERCULES
married Christy who was born about 1818
children Rory 1847, Alex 1850, Norman 1852
Cheers Kris :)
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Do you have Christy's name Mariac? I am not spotting anything obvious in SA
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Hi Kris,
Thank you.
I have not been able to find anymore on this family after they arrived in SA.
Where they went, When they died, Did the children marry?
I do have a Henry (Harry) Norman McDonald but dont know if this is the same person or not.
I have a feeling this is the family I need but no proof.
Sorry Iam not much help am I?
I found a Rory McDonald in an index from government gazettes
Surname: MCDONALD
Given name(s): Rory
Source date: DDA 1886
DDA 1886 not sure what that meant.
Regards
mariac
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Hi Kris
This appears to be the family in 1851 Census and the marriage and birth of Rory.
1851 Census Houghharry Nth Uist Inverness Scotland
Donald Mcdonald 36 Inverness farmer
Kersty Mcdonald 34 1817 inverness
Rory Mcdonald 4
Alexander Mcdonald 2
Ann Mcpherson 60 1791 mother in law inverness
I believe this to be the marriage but Christy's mothers name from the 1851 census is confusing unless she married again. Iam just checking that out.
Groom's Name: Donald Mcdonald
Bride's Name: Christy Mckenzie
Marriage Date: 19 Aug 1845
Marriage Place: North Uist,Inverness,Scotland:
Rory Mcdonald
Birth Date: 04 May 1846
Birthplace: NORTH UIST,INVERNESS,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Donald Mcdonald
Mother's Name: Christy Mckenzie
Regards
mariac
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There is the death of a Rory McDonald but not him as this one is aged 71 in 1885.
Is that the SA government gazette?
Cheers Kris :)
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Yes Kris,
Just one I found from the resources for oz from the genealogy society.
Oh well I can forget about that one.
Thank you so much for looking
regards
mariac
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Possibly a birth here.
MCDONALD Archibald 5 Jul 1857 Torrens Dist Hig 13 287 parents Donald MCDONALD and Christian MCKENZIE
Kris :)
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That does look a possibility doesnt it. Good one Kris :)
I have had a look at the marriage from scotlands people Christy's name is McKenzie. Unfortunately for marriages around that time parents names are not often on the marriage.
Regards
mariac
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He did not survive
McDONALD Archibald died 25 Apr 1858 Torrens Dist Hig 7 223. He was aged 10 months relative Donald McDONALD father residence Torrens
Now I wonder if we are getting somewhere
McDONALD Donald died 7 May 1858 Torrens Dist Hig 7 318. He was aged 40 status relative not recorded residence River Torrens rear Richmans
Such common names doesn't help.
Cheers Kris :)
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Aha now we are cooking!
HOLLINGSWORTH Peter 46 status not recorded father William HOLLINGSWORTH = MACDONALD Christian 40 Widow father James MACKENZIE 2 Dec 1858 Res of John McDermed Houghton Dist Hig 36 115
Cheers Kris :)
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Oh and again
HOLLINGSWORTH Peter died 18 Mar 1861 Near Hope Valley Dist Hig 13 74. He was aged 50 status relative not recorded residence near Hope Valley
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris
Is that a marriage between Peter Hollingsworth and Christian MacDonald.?
If so will see if I can find who Christy's father is back in Scotland.
Well done Looking good :)
mariac
Ps No one is sticking around long enough are they ;D
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and another husband pretty quickly. ;D
PORTER George 47 status not recorded father Thomas PORTER = HOLLINGSWORTH Christiane 42 widow father James McKENZIE 28 Oct 1861 Res if Mr Richmans on the Torrens Dist Hig 48 165
Kris :)
Yes Mariac - That was husband 2 no births found - just going to check for any births husband 3 - shes 42 so still possible.
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No again I see no births registered
PORTER Christina died 27 Jul 1873 Adelaide Dist Ade Symbol S 53 282. She was aged 50 status relative not recorded residence Adelaide
Not spotting a death for George.
Kris :)
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The 3rd marriage must have been just to much ;D
Would her death certificate state anything more than what is on the index?
Wonder where the children were ???
Thank you so much for your help Kris.
Kind regards
mariac
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Hi Mariac,
No her death cert would provide very little else. SA certs are not very informative. Cause of death would probably be the only other thing you would get. Certainly nothing on parentage marriages or children. It is Adelaide District so you could request a transcript from the Unley Library. I still can't find anything on these boys unfortunately. No marriages - no deaths. I wonder what happened to them.
Cheers Kris :)
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PORTER Christian was buried 28 Jul 1873 WTC. She was aged 50 of destitute asylum.
Ohh Goodness.
Destitute Asylum
PORTER Christina, protestant, been in the county 19 years arrived on the HERCULES in 1854. Scottish. Now living at Highercombe. Occ domestic She had 0 children under 7 and 4 children over 7 - Circumstances - permanently paralized and perfectly helpless to herself and family 3 sons and 1 daughter Highercombe. She was admitted 8 Apr 1873 and died 27 Jul 1873 :'( :'( :'(
Can only assume she had unregistered children as the ones she arrived with if surviving would have been adults. :-\
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The Register 30 Oct 1861
PORTER HOLLINGSWORTH - On the 28th Oct near Athelstone by licence by Mr W R Squibb officiating minister, George son of Thomas PORTER Esq of Norwich England to Christian relic of the late Peter Hollingsworth of Hope Valley.
Try the newspapers - looks like lots of mentions re poor relief. I am having internet speed woes this week so will leave you with it.
Under McDonald - In the colony 5 years widow about 6 months 5 children
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/784994?searchTerm=%22christina+mcdonald%22
Under Hollingsworth
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/877780?searchTerm=%22hollingsworth%22
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/822646?searchTerm=%22hollingsworth%22
Now under Porter I see she was abandoned.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/31824119?searchTerm=%22christina+porter%22
1863 she was refused rations having only one child under 10
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris,
Thank you for the excellent info. Its amazing what you have managed to find.
Sound like Christy did not have a very good life in oz. It is still a mystery re the children. She seems to have a few extra but I wonder if they were the children of the husbands.
I appreciate all the time you have spent on this Kris. I will now go and do some searching of the newspapers.
Kind Regards
mariac
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Hi mariac,
Sorry I can't find another thing about these children. As you say different information in each mention but alas no names.
Looking at the destitute asylum one even IF the 3 boys are those we know of there has to be a daughter somewhere. I can't find anything on any of them. I expect that some may go missing but all of them. Even if she had other children who were not registered normally we would find marriages or deaths to help but I see nothing. (under any of her names.)
Peter had been previously married and had 4 sons. His BISA entry is very like Donald's - really just information from shipping.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/eliza1856.htm
I see the lines from Ezra and Samuel continue but not seeing the other two.
Looks like Peter deserted her at one stage also.
23 Aug 1860
List of women receiving relief on Jun 30 1860 who's husbands had deserted them or were in gaol
HOLLINGSWORTH Christina residence Highercombe 3 Children arrived on the Hercules period of husbands absence Five weeks.
I know McDONALD is terribly common and Alexander could prove difficult but the other two I had hopes for. I even wondered if that death in 1885 age may have been wrong age in index but no - that Rory was in the asylum also. When I saw that I realised what DDA from the record you found meant. Deaths in Destitute asylum. I think the returns went in quarterly so probably in Jan 1886 the returns were lodged for Oct, Nov, Dec. 1885. Rory died in the asylum in Oct. He had been brough down from Pt Pirie and his arrival in the colony was into Vic. He had senile decay so certainly a different Rory. There are many mentions of McDONALD's from the HERCULES in the asylum records - some were children but no first names in first year one saying mother in gaol. I wondered until I saw just how many McDONALD's were aboard that ship so I think these were other people. Sorry I've gone through it all again and I still see nothing at all on the children. :-\
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris,
Yes it is hard to believe that not one of the children can be found anywhere. ??? Another one for the too hard basket for the time being.
I have spent hours going through newspapers but to no avail. Other than the destitute asylum ones.
You mentioned Christy was buried 28/7/1873 WTC.
What does the WTC stand for? Iam presuming its a cemetery. I would very much doubt if she would have a headstone.
Thanks to you I certainly know a lot more now then when I started.
Kind Regards
mariac
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Hi mariac,
Sorry - It's West Terrace Cemetery in Adelaide. No I would not think
there would be a stone. I would assume a paupers grave as she was in the asylum.
http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/aca/web/west-terrace-cemetery/
Cheers Kris :)
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Thanks Kris :)
Cheers
mariac
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I have just started researching Peter Hollingsworth's family, and was wondering if he was the same one who married Christy McDonald (McKenzie) - now I know! I have sorted out all his family if you are interested.
Regards, Trying
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Hi there Trying,
I have not been able to establish if the Norman who came out on the Hercules in 1852 is my Henry Norman or not so I have not gone any further with this line.
If your info has extra info I would be very interested.
Regards
mariac