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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: lesls on Tuesday 26 October 10 05:02 BST (UK)
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looking for ancesters and family. 3g gf joseph ellis b july20 1800 in frodsham. gf joseph & gm elizabeth married 1804 & father b 1907 in 1907 in garston. have direct line to present. would like to find other relatives and ancesters. any help appreciate any help. will share any info i have.
lesls
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Can you check your 1800 and 1900's please
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caroleW thanks for response. my dates were incorect. joseph b 1800 was my 4th gf. my gf & gm joseph and gm elizabeth were married in 1904, and father was born in 1907. i have the marriage license and dad's birth certificate. sorry for the mistakes. lesls.
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thanks for the responses to my query. my direct line of ellis's was late in comming to the states. my gf joseph b 1879 in widnes, he and my gm moved to the garston area. they married in 1904 in garston. my father joseph was born there in 1907. the family migrated to the states thru canada around 1913 ending up in the state of washington. i have traced my line back to frodsham in jan 13, 1785. i would like help in locating brothers and sisters, cousins ect . i have found a few , but many are still out there. also have found very difficult to find ancestors of 4gf samuel ellis and 4gm margaret williams. thanks for any clues you can come up with.
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Can you confirm the following is correct
Joseph Ellis b 1879 Widnes married Elizabeth (maiden name not given but possibly Hignett as per LancashireBMD) in 1904 in Garston.
A son Joseph, was born to Joseph & Elizabeth in 1907 in Garston
Joseph & Elizabeth & family emigrated to the US in 1913
i have traced my line back to frodsham in jan 13, 1785. i would like help in locating brothers and sisters, cousins ect
Whose brothers and sisters etc?
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caroleW thanks for responding. to answer your questions:1. my gf joseph ellis,b 27 apr 1879 in widnes did marry my gm elizabeth hignett, b9 sep 1879 in widness,on 11 jan 1904 at st cuthberts parish in everton ? (hard to read 1st letter). my father joseph leslie ellis ,b 27 apr 1907 in garston, liverpool. i have certified copies of all birth certificates and the original marriage certificate in my possession.
2. my father and gf told me they left england around 1913 and went to canada and then to the states. i do not know how long they were in canada. my gf's 7 sisters brought their mother to the states "during the 1st world war". they settled in tacoma, washington by 1919.
3. the brothers and sisters ect i referred to were others in the line.
sorry to be so confusing. lesls
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Hiya Lesls...it`s allan again...just in case you don`t remember my nan was Martha Ellis born 1898 Garston....parents
JOSEPH ELLIS and MARTHA BARKER ( I will type my DIRECT ancestors in bold type )
Joseph Ellis parents and children as follows...all born Garston except Edward Ellis...
EDWARD ELLIS b 1799 in Woolton ( 2 miles from Garston)
MARTHA (TIPPING) ELLIS b 1815 Garston
Ann 1842
Mary 1844
William 1846
Elizabeth 1850
Alice 1853
JOSEPH ELLIS 1857
SO...the way I see it is this - - is he the grandson of William Ellis born 1846...grandson seems more feasible...we need to find
William Ellis b Garston aged 33/34 in the 1881 census to see who is children are???
allan :)
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1881 census
Church Road 2 Rimmers Terrace, Garston
William Ellis b 1846 aged 35 b Garston , Railway Platelayer
Alice Ellis wife aged 28 b Leigh
John Hilary Ellis aged 4 b Garston
Alice Ellis aged 2 b Garston
....so ..if your Joseph Ellis b 1879 is born Widnes he is NOT one of my Garston Ellis family...we did in the past think there may be a connection.....what do you think Lesls ????
allan ;)
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I can`t think for the life of me why this thread is on Herefordshire ????
Frodsham is in Cheshire 3 miles across the Mersey from Garston which is in Lancashire ?
someone should ask a Moderator which board they think it should be moved to,.....cheers
allan :D
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This isn't much help - more an interesting snippet.
There is an Ellis Lane in Frodsham, Cheshire. I often wondered where the name came from.
Salvia
Moderator comment: Moved from Herefordshire
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to moderator JDGen: recieved your notice of the change of my
correspondence from hertfordshire back to cheshire after reviewing them. i am very newat this roots chat program so please forgive
my error. when i realized my grandparents were married in garston
i e-mailed garston for information. the response stated that garston was in the countyof herefordshire. that was when i changed my
correspondence to that county. after reviewing a response from"garstonite" that garston is in lancashire, i'm very confused
as to which county i should be using.iwelcome your assistance.
lesls
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Hiya lesls.....garston is in liverpool which is now in the county of merseyside.it was in lancashire ....for centuries...allan
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Hi lesls,
Not a problem, I moved it in the hope you would get more help on the Cheshire board.
This site is always useful when trying to find places:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/ - there is a list of towns and parished for most of the English counties here. And it often happens that two separate places have the same name which can be confusing!
Jean
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Hi lesls,
There is a baptism at Frodsham on the 20th July 1800 that could be yours:
July 20 Joseph S of Samuel and Margaret Ellis, Woodhouses
Samuel ELLIS married Margaret WILLIAMS 13 January 1785 at Frodsham by licence - possibly a bit early but not out of the question if Joseph was one of the youngest.....
Jean
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More baptisms from Frodsham to Samuel & Margaret Ellis:
Jan 30 1785 Betty Daughter of Saml Ellis of Woodhouses and Margaret his Wife
Mar 26 1786 Margaret D of Samuel and Margaret Ellis of Woodhouses
Jan 13 1788 John s of Samuel & Margaret Ellis of Woodhouses
June 18 1789 Samuel s of Samuel and Margaret Ellis: Woodhouses
Jan 30 1791 Charles s of Samuel and Margaret Ellis, Woodhouses
Jan 13 1793 Martha D of Samuel and Margaret Ellis, Woodhouses
June 15 1794 Sarah D of Samuel and Margaret Ellis, Woodhouses
Feb 14 1796 Thomas S of Samuel and Margaret Ellis, Woodhouses
Feb 11 1798 James S of Samuel and Margaret Ellis, Woodhouses
Jul 20 1800 Joseph S of Samuel and Margaret Ellis, Woodhouses
May 16 1802 Alice D of Samuel and Margaret Ellis, Woodhouses
Nov 30 1806 William S of Samuel and Margaret Ellis, Woodhouses
Makes the marriage look more likely....
Jean
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hi jean and allan. been away for a few days and i see a lot has happened. i can see i have a lot of time on the computer to check out this list of children.allan, i have been working up a family group record on your family starting with edward in 1799. i am confused as to which person is the possible grandson? please clarify. family search has a new program called betawhich i have trying.I came up with a new relative for you. joanna ellis b 03 jun 1838, baptism 17 jun 1838,place st mary Woolton, liverpool, lancashire.father Edward Ellis, mother Mary Tipping Ellis. i have ordered a new map of the area which i hope will help i am trying to put info together to find the line connection. more later. lesls
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Ooh..joanna....don't have her...and edward and mary are my direct 2 x g grandparents...I can only presume joanna died at an early age...thanx...researching her right away....cheers..'
Woolton is 2 miles from Garston and Mary Tippings parents were born there....Allan
ADDED...Thanks for that Beta link...found Joanna b 1838 and Ann Ellis born dec 1835...both Edward and Marys children and 2 more now added to my tree....also although babtised in 1858 , I found out that my g grandfather Joseph Ellis was in fact born in 1857.....cheers lesls.........allan ;)
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to:JDGEN, garstonite and lostock jean, thank you for the list of children from the baptism records of samuel and margaret. iwent looking for the christening record of samuel ellis and came up with a surprise.cheshire bishops transcripts backed up the connection and located an additional child alice ellisb 20 nov 1756, also listed the father as thomas ellis and the mother as elizabeth. unfortunallydid not give birth dated, marriage dates what cities they were from. and since they were from the early 1700's may be hard to find. i have been having trouble with cheshire BMD, i don't know if it changed or if i have a bad address. any help would be welcome. allen i still have not been able to find a connection of our lines. ellis of lostock hope finding thomas may be of help.
lesls. ps. i did start a family group record on samuels children and will to try to track some if possible.
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need help in finding my gf's older brother samuel (my unkle) and his decendents.samuel ellis b 13 jun 1877(?) christening date 01 jul 1877 in halston, cheshire eng. father joseph ellis b1857 in weston eng, mother sarah ratcliffe b 1858 in halston cheshire. information i have states samuel lived in widnes & married beatrice kilcullen and had 2 sons,wilfred and john stanley (stan) ellis who ran a pub in widness there were some sisters also. my source told me that the children were born after 1916. the 1901 census indicates samuel was in widnes sub regis dist. i did find a record of his death in jul 1979 in widnes. i know he was 102 when he died. i have 2 possible findings from ancestry "eng & walesdeath index 1916-2005 .john stanley ellis b21 aug 1924, death reg apr 1988 age 63 in kent county and another in apr 1992. age 67 in lancaster county.(?) the only beatrix kilcullen was a cheshire non conform record 1691-1900 showing a baptism date of 17 mar 1889, record place runcorn che eng .father thomae kilcullen & mother mariae kerrigan kilcullen the only wilfred ellis i found was dob 19apr1916. death regist 2001, age 84,regis dist warrington, cheshire. i did find a eng marriage 1538-1973 which turned up a marriage of a wilfred ellis and a marjoria lemma woricker,date of marriage 5 aug 1933 in chelmsford essex eng, but no other info to make a decision.
any help would be appreciated , and a family tree would be fantastic
thank you lesls
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Hiya Lesl...happy new year...just to let you know it is HALTON and not Halston...I`ll have a look at those names now.....allan :)
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F****** M Ellis b sep qtr 1916 daughter
John. S. Ellis b sep qtr 1918 son
J**** W Ellis b mar qtr 1921 son...presume middle name is Wilfred ? (your 1916 find is wrong...sorry )...
H**** Ellis b sep qtr 1926 daughter
P******** M Ellis b mar qtr 1932 daughter
all on www.freebmd.org.uk name ELLIS Mothers maiden name Kilcullen
can`t post full names in case they are alive....allan ;)
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1889 KILCULLEN Beatrice Runcorn, Halton RUN/62/84 ....Beatrice birth cert off www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
allan...if you want me to PM you these family member FULL names...let me know... :)
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to garstonite hi allan thanks for the reply and a happy new year to you also. thank you for the correction of halton. my early contact had it spelled wrong, and i had used it way since. i realize that some of my names and dates were wrong but was what came up on my limited program. i tried both bmd and was able to bring them up, but could not figure out how to use them. i have a few questions. i have a different bd for john s, this came from ancestry.com eng & wales death index 1916-2005 ? on bea kil you\typed RUN/62/84 and birth cert off.? what is PM? not familiar with it. and yes it would be helpful to know the full names.
i went to the fam search library yesterday and one of the workers worked with me for a couple of hours. we were able to pick up a marriage record, not the exact date but jan-mar 1916. and is it possible that john was in the royal artillary? picked up aclose clue.
i am going to the library again this afternoon and work some more.
remember i am a novice at this..ps the library has many programs to work with, but it doesn't mean they are always right.hope your weather has cleared up. lesls
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to garstonite hi allen, haven't heard from you in quite a while. hope all is ok. i was hopeing you could get the 1st names of the siblings. i was able to find 3 sets of names on a roberts family tree. they were my 4ggf samuel & wife margaret and 8 of their children, and to of their children, martha b1793, her marriage to thomas lockett and their 6 children, and son thomas, b 1796, andmarriage to mary barrow, and their 5 children. i should be able to check the census' record for additional info. maybe this new database on family search will be helpful. would like to hear from you. lesls.
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Hiya Lesl....I have been a little sidetracked....as you know my surname is Oakes.....and I came across on lan-opc
John Oakes to Ann Ellis.........the Ellis are my mums side....so I am trying to find out if Ann Ellis who married John Oakes (I can`t connect John Oakes to my tree) is in any way connected to the Garston Ellis clan....is she by any chance in your tree ?......sorry to branch off....can you explain ...are you looking for the children of Martha Roberts and Thomas Lockett ....or the children of Samuel Roberts and Margaret ...was Margaret an Ellis ??
allan ???
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I was born at 28,Ellis Lane,Frodsham Bridge ,Frodsham, Nr.Warrington,Lancashire (in those days)
Ellis lane is an unadopted lane being of ( in those days) cinder compostion, as many of the children can vouch too. we still bear cinder chips in our knees.
The name 'Ellis' has perplexed a great many locals, the only conclusion we can reach is this. At the start of the Lane, to your left were originally very old cottages, maybe a family named Ellis lived there.
The very far end was a farm,which was/is on Cholmondoley estate land.
I have more information relating to the houses in my files. The council houses, 28 was the last in the block, mum and dad were the first family in no 28. c1930s. The lady now in no 28 is the the second family to move in in 1954.
tell you more re housing if you wish,
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archives 1 thanks for the info. i have traced my ellis lineback to 1760 in frodsham, but am having difficulties now. any info would be nice to have. esp about ellis lane. my direct line left england for the states in 1913 and i am the last male in this line. thank you. lesls
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No problem..Les...what part of the USA are you living in? I have connections in Pa. and Florida. :)
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to garstonite, hi allan, sorry to be slow, been under the weather. i did not know your surname. ann is not a common name in my line.so far the only ann's i have found are ann worrall,b 1823in overton.she was married to charles ellis b1821 in weston, mar date 1846, they had a daughter sarah ann b 1853 in weston (?). what dates are you looking for in this search? i'll give them a try. according to the part of the roberts family tree that i have martha ellis b 1793 and thomas ellis b 1796 are children of my 4ggf &ggm. ,samuel ellis and margaret (williams) ellis. martha married thomas lockett 25 sep 1814 in frodsham. they had 6 children. both martha and thomas died in 1858. my thomas ellis married mary barrow 11 aug 1819 in frodsham. i have these children's names and b datesif you want them. i am not looking for either roberts or lockett's line i have not been able to locate any of thechildren of samuel with out the given names. maybe if you could send them to me by mail or post. (*) thanks lesls
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Hiya Les....take your address off the post mate....for security reasons....PM me...my earliest is Edward Ellis b1799 and married in Garston to Mary Tipping .
allan :)
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garstonite allan got your message, but do not know how to remove the addr, advice ? lesls
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garstonite allan got your message, but do not know how to remove the addr, advice ? lesls
Hiya Les......click on MODIFY on the right hand side of your post.......your post will come up as you typed it...and then delete your address
allan :)
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garstonite, thanks allan when i brought up the post found it had already been deleted. looks like JDgen was doing her job well. lesls.
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Thanks lesls! :)
Jean
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Yes lsels, 'our' Jen is great in looking after all of us.. ;) as many of us have discovered. 8)
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to garstonite hi allan went on holiday in late march for 3 weeks. when got home my computer was down. just now getting back on line. have been working with familysearch ladies to catch up some. still would like to get the full names of samuel's kids.if you could pm them to me would be greatfull. hope all is well with you. les.
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Hiya Les...what date what Samuel born , so I can check my tree....allan ???
ADDED...just checked my tree and I don`t have a Samuel Ellis in it ???
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to garstonite ;hi allan to answer your ? this samuel is the brother of my gf joseph b 1879 in widness. his father was joseph b 1877 in halton mother sarah ratcliff b1878 in halton. samuel had a christening date 1 jul 1877 halton eng. your reply # 19 dated 1 jan,11 indicated you had the 1st names and dob's of samuels children from free dmb but could not send them . but said you could send by PM. it sure would be helpful.i am working on family group records. maybe able to find a
connection of our lines. ps if you could send by PM i'm going to learn how to use it. i'l send a note to jen. lesls
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Hiya Les...ok...unfortunately I had a virus on my laptop about 6 weeks ago and I had to restore my computer back to "Factory Settings" which meant I lost all data....I can`t remember where I got the info on Samuels children....leave it with me and let me see if I can find it again ...I will have a good search for it tomorrow morning while everyone is still in bed...allan
ADDED OK Les...yes those children are easy to find...just found them...let me know when you have learnt to use PM and I will send you them....allan
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garstonite hi allan, as i,msure youknow i was able to get your info by the PM system. went to the ladies at the church library geneology room and sat down with one of them and we got much of the info. but could not find a marriage record for stan.will check again tuesday (next day they are open) 2 days a week ,4 hours a day. still looking for the illusive thomas ellis and elizabeth, parents of samuel, the father of the 12 we obtained from jean (thanks again jean) i'll keep working on him. hope you are still trying to find a link on our lines.
i just came up with some other females from a couple of family trees.
i'm going to be away for a week. my wifes mothers 90 birthday is next saturday .i would rather not going but i am the driver to sand point idaho and back.stay well. lesls
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Just to add some names, Samuel was my grandad. Children were Nora, Wilf, Stan, Frances, Hilda and Margo with just Frances and Margo still alive as at 25 Dec 2011.
Nora married Harold Sumner; Wilf married Joan, Stan married Gwen, Frances married Archie Grant, Hilda married Jim Cluskey and Margo married John O'Neill. Can supply more details if required.
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Hiya Pat and welcome to Rootschat...from memory, I didn`t post the names of Samuels children in case any were still alive ...if you have posted any names that are still alive ?...it is Rootschat policy not to post living relatives names...when you have posted 3 times I will be able to PM you ( personal message )..I would be interested to know if you have any connections to my grandmother Martha Ellis born in Garston 1898....father Joseph Ellis b 1857 Garston / mother Martha Barker b 1861 Dunham Massey
cheers...allan :)
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Thanks for the reply. Two of them are still alive, will know for the future. One of my cousins has done some work on the Ellis family tree, will try and get in touch with her.
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Hi I have been reading through you messages as my cousin had a notification from you I am the daughter of Frances Ellis, who is the daughter of Samuel Ellis Frances is still living if you want any information. I have also had a contact from and Mary Pitkin I dont know if that is any help to you. Apart from Margo whose real name is Philomena they are the 0nly two remaining surviors mum is 95 and Margo is 80. mum has the most knowledge as she use to write to a cousin in America Mary Carter in California single name was Wickersham you are welcome to contact regards Margaret
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Pat Cluskey thanks for this message regarding your gf samuel. he is my gf's brother. i have some questions. 1st who was nora? she had never shown before. is wilf joseph wilfred bn 1921? you stated wilf married John (?). i am happy that 2 siblings are still living,would like to hear from them or about them. you said your mum corresponded with a cousin in calif, named wickersham. i wonder if that could be my gf joseph's oldist sister. her name is wickersham . i would like any and all information that you have about the ellis clan. i was very glad to get the marriages i would be happy to send info you would like about my side of the clan.
thanks again. les jan 1 2012
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Wilf is Joseph Wilfred who married Joan! My cousin who left the previous message has far more knowledge about the family than I and it is her mother who is still alive at 95!
It was her who was in correspondence with America. Nora was the eldest child as far as I know.
Do you know the parents of Joseph Ellis who was born in Widnes in 1857?
Will ask my cousin to contact you directly.
Pat
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hi Pat thanks for quick responce. and answers to some questions. nora has not shown on my charts. must look further.
my records show the father of joseph bn 1857 was charles ellis bn 18 21-23. christened 30 dec 1821 born in weston and chr istened in runcorn. married jun 1846 to ann worrall in warrington. charles died 1890 and ann 1n 1889. look forward to more les
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Horsfalls margaret.thank you for topic information. your gf samuel ellis is my gf' joseph. i tryed for months to locate samuel'sfamily. it was very difficult as all the necessary birthdates and marriages date came after the last census. i was finally able to get some of the names with the assistance of garstonite.(thanks again allan). this is the first since then. i would be very happy for any available info on our side of the family. you said your mum had corresponded with wickersham in calif. my gf joseph had a sister annie who married olander f wickersham in calif. i wonder(?) annie died in 1975. many of her sisters came to the tacoma washington area. for some reason my gf and his sisters did not get along. and were never close. my gf, gm and father came to the states in 1913 finally settled in tacoma area. my gf opened a meat and fish market in a near by town, dad was a veteranian.if you have any questions, please ask. i know iwould love any info available
(*). however i do have a sister with 4 children and 9 grand children, so there is some line left.
hope to hear from you les
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Hi have speaking to mum is (*) your father the vet?, and have you a sister (*) who was in a group called the Fleetwoods. Elizabeth Higgnet( aunt lizzie as she was known to my mum and siblings) came from Hough Green, her father was a builder and lived over a shop called Bradleys in Fredrick Street Widnes. He apparently built a bridge in Widnes my cousin is going to look for it. We live in Essex about 200 miles from Widnes my mum married (*) and moved this way in 1946 but all the family stayed very close. The cousin my mum wrote to was (*) Annies daughter who married (*) andhad one son. She didnt know that the sisters and her Uncle Joe as she referred to him didnt get on. Annie came over here to see my Grandfather about 1969. I beleive Joseph had a butchers shop in Garston. My grandfather also had a butchers shop in Widnes, Samuels mother was Sarah Ratcliffe she went to America about 1912.Joseph didnt go with her he lived with Samuel and Beatrice. Mum said he had sort of accident and only had one arm so maybe that was something to do with it. I amsure if yoiu want anymore information mumcould provide it she has a terrific memory. She said do you anything about a Sir Henry Leigh of the Leigh Estates I beleive there was a bit of a scandle there lol regards Margaret
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Hello All,
Delighted to see that you have made contact on this thread, but please can you avoid posting details of living people for privacy reasons - I've removed some of the names from your posts for this reason.
You should all now be able to exchange information privately using the PM system - See Help-Page: http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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;) It really is fascinating reading this thread. Just goes to show how globally ROOTS 'spread'. :) Looking forward to the next exciting threads.. ::)..
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Horsfalls....my grand mother was Martha Ann Ellis b 1898 father Joseph Ellis b 1857 - she also had a brother Joseph Ellis b 1896 .....all in Garston ....so
about 1912 you say that Joseph Ellis had a butchers shop in Garston..
IF it is my Joseph Ellis b 1857 - he would be about 55....
Josephs wife was Martha b 1861 Dunham Massey ...
do you have YOUR Joseph in the 1911 census as a butcher - if so ,how old is he and who is his wife ??....cheers....I am intrigued to know if it is the same man ...btw Joseph b 1857 parents were Edward Ellis and Martha Tipping
allan
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Hi from the details you have mentioned dont think it is the same family my mother dosnt know of any Mathas in the family regards Margaret
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to lesls Hi have speaking to mum is your father the vet?, and have you a sister. We live in Essex about 200 miles from Widnes my mum married and moved this way in 1946 but all the family stayed very close. The cousin my mum wrote to was Mary Wickersham Annies daughter who married Launor Carter and they had one son. She didnt know that the sisters and her Uncle Joe as she referred to him didnt get on. Annie came over here to see my Grandfather about 1969. I remeber Mary and Launor bringing her. I beleive Joseph had a butchers shop in Garston. My grandfather also had a butchers shop in Widnes, Samuels mother was Sarah Ratcliffe she went to America about 1912.Joseph didnt go with her he lived with Samuel and Beatrice. Mum said he had sort of accident and only had one arm so maybe that was something to do with it. I amsure if yoiu want anymore information mumcould provide it she has a terrific memory. She said do you a know anything about a Sir Henry Leigh of the Leigh Estates I beleive there was a bit of a scandle there lol regards Margaret
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horsfalls, hi margaret thanks for the response.i am sorry for the delay in answering. i will try to answer your questions 1st.my father bn april 7 1907 in liverpool was a veteranian, hewas probably the one called leslie. yes i have a sister who was a member of the fleetwoods. my gf joseph.. bn may 9 1879 in widness married elizabeth hignett bn in farnsworth in sep 1879 in garston in 1904. her father was in the building business, my gf had a butcher shop in garston. my gf, gm, and my father crossed to canada about 1913. he ended in puyullup, washington, where he opened a butcher shop. my fatherbecame avet andsoon after i was born jan 24, 1936 he moved to olympia washington and opened his vet hospital i was joseph leslie jr.
my gf rarely spoke of his father except he didd say he had some type and lost an arm.sarah came to the states with 3 of her daughters.and settled in tacoma. buy the way, did samuel ever serve in the british army? and is it possible that you are getting garstonite line with mine more later.
les
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Ha Ha ...there must be something in the Ellis genes Les......I was born on 24th January as well....Happy Birthday for Tuesday mate.....allan
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horsfalls, hi margaret thanks for the response.i am sorry for the delay in answering. i will try to answer your questions 1st.my father bn april 7 1907 in liverpool was a veteranian, hewas probably the one called leslie. yes i have a sister who was a member of the fleetwoods. my gf joseph.. bn may 9 1879 in widness married elizabeth hignett bn in farnsworth in sep 1879 in garston in 1904. her father was in the building business, my gf had a butcher shop in garston. my gf, gm, and my father crossed to canada about 1913. he ended in puyullup, washington, where he opened a butcher shop. my fatherbecame avet andsoon after i was born jan 24, 1936 he moved to olympia washington and opened his vet hospital i was joseph leslie jr.
my gf rarely spoke of his father except he didd say he had some type and lost an arm.sarah came to the states with 3 of her daughters.and settled in tacoma. buy the way, did samuel ever serve in the british army? and is it possible that you are getting garstonite line with mine more later.
les
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HI lesls I cant recall any one saying that Samuel was in the army but will check for you Mum dosnt recall any Marthas in the family, Ibelieve that Elizabeths father built a bridge in Widnes not sure if it is still there though. Mum seems to know all about them even down to knowing that they lived in a street called Fredrick above a shop called Bradleys ! Joseph worked what is now known as I C I. use to be Musprats and then it became Musprats and Deacons when he was there. I am going to Widnes at the end of the week as unfortunately Patricks father died. Iam not sure how garstonite is connected to the family or if he is maybe he could supply a few more details and I will check with mum, does the name Mary Pitkin mean anything to you as she seems to be tracing the American side of the family as well she sent me photos of Sarah and two of Samuels sisters regards Margaret
regards Margaret
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Hiya Margaret..tell your mum thanks for the offer to look at my Garston Ellis family ...my Direct family are in Capital letters
EDWARD ELLIS b 1799 Flint - married MARY TIPPING b 1815 Garston ..their children were ...all born Garston
Ann Ellis b 1835 / Joanna Ellis b 1838 /Ann Ellis b 1842/ Mary Ellis b 1844 / William Ellis b 1847 / Elizabeth Ellis b 1850 / Alice Ellis b 1853 / JOSEPH ELLIS b 1857 / Annie Ellis b 1860
so...JOSEPH ELLIS B 1857 married MARTHA BARKER b 1861 Dunham Massey,chesh .....their children all born Garston
Mary Ellis 1888 /Alice Ellis b 1891 /William Ellis b 1893 / Joseph Ellis b 1896 /MARTHA ELLIS b 1898 ...MY NAN
cheers Margaret....allan :)
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horsfalls, hi margaret, sorry to hear about pat's father. i didn't know him, but whenever a relative or friend passes. i lost my last uncle 3 weeks ago. garstonite(allan oaks) contracted me about a year ago after a request for help on roots chat .he is in garston, where my gf & gm lived and were married in 1904. we have kept in touch since. hehas been very helpfull and we feel there is a link of our lines, but just haven't found it yet. i was contacted by mary pitkin in april 2008. she responded to an inquiry sent out by a friend. sarah ratcliffe married joseph ellis bn 1857 in weston. she is the mother of samuel ellis christened july 1877, in halton, cheshire, england and joseph ellis in 1879 in widness. sarah was the sister of mary's 3xgreat gf. mary has contacted me now and then, mostly asking about samuel children. do you mind if i give her the names i was given? she also sent the pictures.she was working on a book , but don't if finished . keep in. touch.
les
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horsfalls hi margaret, i have not heard from you since i sent a response to some questions on jan
12. i have some problems sending recently. i do have some new ? . please contact me either way
thanks les
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Hiya Lesl /Margaret....I was taliking to a brother and sister yesterday who are both pensioners and named Ellis...both born in Garston...and they tell me their grandfather was Thomas Bernard Ellis......I am going to see what I can find out about him and whether we are connected.....is Thomas Bernard Ellis by any chance in either of your trees ?
allan :)
ADDED...Thomas Ellis is not in my tree - but he could be the son of
William Ellis b 1847 Garston who was the brother of my g grandfather Joseph Ellis b 1857 Garston
allan
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garstonite, hi allan well we share a birthdate, maybe a line will show up. i was able to get a fische of births of ellis' from frodsham started 1566 thru 1805. there were 3 thomas' listed, 1686, 1706, & 1772.
i have not checked them out as yet. the 1706 looks good as the parents are samuel and margaret.
only 1 william in 1671. i'll let you know when i get the results. wensday spent time at the family search liabrary in Long Beach. we cleaned up the family group record for samuel ellis b 1762 m y5th ggf. there were many dupls that were consolidated, there were only 5 children listed. we added 7 more that (jean) passed on to me from bapt records. well i've got to get to work now, so goodby for now.
les.
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Hi havnt got a Thomas in my tree. Ellis is quite a popular name in the area as it is Welsh and Wales is quite near will ask mum but not heard of a Thomas regarrds Margaret
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Have spoke to mum but dosnt recall a Thomas Ellis Thomas is a Welsh name so maybe a connection there somewhere regards Margaret
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Have spoke to mum but dosnt recall a Thomas Ellis Thomas is a Welsh name so maybe a connection there somewhere regards Margaret
Absolutely correct Margaret....my earliest Ellis was Edward Ellis ,who was born in Flint,Wales and came to Garston...then all the Ellis born in Garston from his arrival to my knowledge, descend from Edward....but...in the back of my mind ,I think another Ellis possibly arrived in Garston, cos I can`t connect Thomas Ellis.
allan :)
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to garstonite and horsfalls: hi allan and margaret, my gf samuel b 1762 b in frodsham cheshire. his
father was thomas ellis. we are trying to run him down. (this is from family search records) the first
thomas i have found in my direct line was born feb 14,1796 in frodsham. we all keep looking.
stay well and happy. les
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to pat cluskey and horsfalls, hi pat and margaret. i haven't heard from anyone for a while. i would like to ask a ask some ?'s.the family name sent were very helpful for my group family i am working on. if i am correct pat is a grandson of samuel and margaret is a granddaughter.of samuel. is that right?. are there other children or grandfield with direct ellis names ? ii should believe there are a lot of cousins out there. by the way what were the maiden names ofjoan and gwen? it would be helpful for the group family information i realise that many names are not allowed to be given if still alive.
i visited great britain over 10 years ago. before i got into looking up the family.i did stop in a shop in wales andwas told that many welsh people went into england which complicates things.
i am still trying to find family. hope all is well with you and yours. say hello to all for me.
les
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Hi lesls Sorry not been in touch had a lot of things going on including a new Grandson Archie Grant Horsfall mother and baby doing great' Now inanswer to some of your questions Joans maiden name was Gavin. She married Joseph Wilfred they had 3 children Jean Stephen and Susan sadly Stephen died in an accident in 1977 aged 22.sorry carry on of the name went from that line there. Gwen who married John Stanley Maiden name was Reeves. had 4 children John who carries on the Ellis name then Anne Jane and Elaine. John has got a son Stephen so thename has carried on even further. Hilda was Married to James Cluskey. they had Patrick (Pat). Margo real name (philomeana) married John Oniel.had 4 children John Peter Michael and Susan. Nora married Harold Sumner had 1 child Tony. and my mum Frances married Archie Grant had 2 children myself Margaret and my brother Ian.John being the only one carrying on the Ellis name He lives in Holywell, in Wales Uncle Stan and Gwen as we knew them movedthere in the 70's I think, from Widnes. Wilf and Joan and Stan and Gwen both ran public houses. Hope this helps youI have ordered a copy of Ann Worrall and Charles Ellis marriage certificate but not arrived yet will let you know any deatails on it that may be of use to you. regards to you all Margaret
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to horsfalls hi margaret thanks for the reply to my recent letter. CONGRATULATIONS on the new grandson. you have answered all my needs at the time. i went to the churchand the gal that i work thru family search . we had a good day too think found a brother and a whole new lineto look through.
thanks again. will contact you soon. got to go. wife says time to go shopping.
les
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Margaret and Leslie.. Hello !!
I have not been on this forum in a long time.. but I am in the final stages of putting the Ratcliffe book together..and have been randomly googling names to fill in blanks.. and this thread came up!!
I was able to copy a lot of info from your discussion..
I'm interested in birth info for children of Samuel and Beatrice K. Ellis. I only had names.. that's why I was googling this family. :)
BTW.. on Ancestry today, I saw someone with a tree for Nora.. but it had her birth year as 1912.. Samuel and Beatrice were married in 1916.. so I assume that the birthdate for Nora is incorrect. I put a note on the tree ( The amount of incorrect info on trees on Ancestry.. drives me crazy!!)
If you have any more info to share.. email me at mpitkin (at) live.com
That way I'll have current emails for you ..for when I finish the book. I usually get them bound at Staples ( Office supply store).. but also publish as pdf that works on ereaders.
I'll be including only up to generations that are no longer living. I may include names of one living generation as "children of.." but won't include any birth info etc for them.
I look forward to hearing from you.. sorry I've been negligent with checking this thread!
Mary Stanford Pitkin
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