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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: boxted boy on Monday 25 October 10 19:56 BST (UK)
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I always thought that the Colchester Union Workhouse was the building that later became St.Mary's Hospital on Balkerne Hill but why on the 1911 census is the address given as North Station Colchester
I seem to remember a very large imposing building on opposite side of the entrance to the station is this got anything to do with it
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hi boxted boy
the building your talking about was originally the station hotel then became essex hall a mental institution along with turner village and severalls as you say the union workhouse was st marys it may well have been a workhouse for that parish or the surrounding villages look at www.workhouses.org.uk it,s the definitive site for workhouse info
trevor
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Thanks Trevor
Yes I can recollect that that building being a mental institution now you have said that and I always thought that the workhouse was on Balkerne Hill which according to www.workhouses.org.uk it was but it still does not explain why on the 1911 census the address is given as North Station Colchester
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yes the poor law union workhouse was in deed on balkerne hill and i,ve just googled essex hall and it states that prior to 1948 it came under the poor law , local authority which means that it was administerd the same as st marys it was still a mental institution but for children according to the nat arc site and became a full on mental hos after 1948 , does this 1911 record actually say that essex hall is a workhouse ?
trevor
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Well done in finding that out
the 1911 census not only says it is Colchester Union workhouse but also The Royal Eastern Counties Institution for idiots imbiciles and the feeble minded
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it looks like we have both learned a bit then from this
trevor
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In 1904 the Registrar General had the law changed so that every workhouse had to have an address that did not state Union Workhouse.
These addresses could be fictional but would ensure that those born there did not have "workhouse" on their certificates.
When the workhouses were closed nearly all of them became hospitals. Hope this helps.
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Hi
I have just received the death cert of my ancestor who died in June 1845 at St Mary At The Walls Hospital, Colchester aged 74. James Salmon. Was that the hospital on Balkernes Hill and was it near the Union Workhouse?
Ben
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hi ben
they are the same building it was the union workhouse first then became st mary,s hospital till it,s closure some years back but not there now it was pulled down to make way for redevelopement , check out the workhouse site for photo,s of it .
regards
trevor
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Hi T Mo.
Good to have a direct rellie who died in Colchester. He was of nearby Birch. The Poor Law Union was founded in 1834 but I have done a bit of reading and it says St Marys Hospital was in action from 1818 to 1993. I suppose it was in the workhouse buildings?
Ben
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hi ben
i must be honest i hadn,t thought as to what was on the site of st mary,s before the workhouse was built if anything as the union workhouse was built in 1836/7 and incorporating an infirmary .
trevor
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Hi
I reckon the infirmary was probably St Mary's or something. My ancestor died of bronchitis.
Ben
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Thanks Trevor
Yes I can recollect that that building being a mental institution now you have said that and I always thought that the workhouse was on Balkerne Hill which according to www.workhouses.org.uk it was but it still does not explain why on the 1911 census the address is given as North Station Colchester
Hi There
probably because he Essex Hall was actually right alon side the Colchester North Station When my father was a young soldier coming home on leave (he was stationed here) he was quite proud that lots of girls waved to him and his mates as they left the train lololol Thought he had pulled.No comments from you Trev
Ronnie :)
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now as if i would ::) , i wonder did your dad ever say if he came back on the milk train early in the morning about 4 o clock like mine did then have to jump off early as it was pulling in to the station cos he hadn,t got a ticket ;D .
anyway it,s taken you long enough to pick up on this thread hasn,t it or are you having trouble keeping up these days ;D ;D ;D, do us a favour next time your in the library see if there,s anything relating to wether there was any sort of building on the st mary,s site before the workhouse was built or if it was open fields which i wouldn,t be surprised if it wasn,t only i would think rawston rd and manor rd were built late in the 1800,s /early 1900,s ,.
good to see you about ronnie it,s been a while now since we had a bit of banter ;)
trevor
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In 1904 the Registrar General had the law changed so that every workhouse had to have an address that did not state Union Workhouse.
The law was not changed, it was the Regulations issued for the guidance of Registrars. From 1st. January 1905 Registrars of Births and Deaths were authorized by the Registrar-General to omit all direct reference to Poor Law Institutions in future entries recording births of persons in them, and to describe the place of birth with an alternative address which the Guardians may suggest and as may be approved by him. In 1919 it was also applied to future entries recording the deaths of persons in them.
Stan
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now as if i would ::) , i wonder did your dad ever say if he came back on the milk train early in the morning about 4 o clock like mine did then have to jump off early as it was pulling in to the station cos he hadn,t got a ticket ;D .
anyway it,s taken you long enough to pick up on this thread hasn,t it or are you having trouble keeping up these days ;D ;D ;D, do us a favour next time your in the library see if there,s anything relating to wether there was any sort of building on the st mary,s site before the workhouse was built or if it was open fields which i wouldn,t be surprised if it wasn,t only i would think rawston rd and manor rd were built late in the 1800,s /early 1900,s ,.
good to see you about ronnie it,s been a while now since we had a bit of banter ;)
trevor
Hi Trev
\Yes of course I will see what I can find out in the library next week As you say there are so many fields i.e Hilly fields etc but being just outside Balkerne gateway ther could have een something else there earlier
....I did see the thread but I knew you could handle it on your own and yes dad did jump off the milk train hahahah
Glad you are still about too Annabel has been in Scotland tahts why she has been quiet :)
Take care
Ronnie
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whato ronnie
good girl i knew i could rely on you ;D .
blimey annabel gets about then is she searching for your rellies ? or off on a ramble looking for hers only i couldn,t keep up with you 2 half the time near the end too many pm,s flying about to make sense of half of it mind you i,ve never met a man yet that can keep up with women your a different breed altogether from mere mortals ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D, i,m sure the word tangents was invented just for women you go off on so many ;D ;D ;D ;D.
think i,ll quit now this holes getting mighty deep .
best wishes
trevor ;)
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Yes you are getting in deep hahaha
We did do a couple of pm's rather than on here as we werent too sure that it was a rellie :-\ John Jenkins and theresa Anderson were the couple in the murder and suicide and I needed her adress to forward the copies of the inquests etc
People who had been following the thread might have been misled. I am sure if she find out they were related in any way she will come back on here with details Although we never did get any nearer to her ggfathers birth Jury still out on that one
The Essex Hall was originally built as a Railway Hotel.thought you might like to know that ;D ;D ;D
speak in the week if I find out anything more on St Marys area
Regards
Ronnie :)
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Hello again
Have had a look in the library for the workhouse which was being discussed
The earliest Map they had was 1847/8 and the lands surrounding the workhouse building were all parkland no sign of farms or buildings so I guess that it was the first building there
Interestingly ...........to all of you researching Workhouses for your rellies.......
the land to thewest of the building belonged to the parish of Lexden and the land to the East was the parish of Mary at the Wall But the land which the workhouse/st marys Hospital was built on belonged to the parish of St Botolphs :o I suppose this means that once they all had to look after their own people when the new laws came in 1834 or whenever that this was the best land available to them and that is where we should be looking for our rellies?? ??? ??? Your comments Trev or any body else
Regards
Ronnie
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hi ronnie
thanks ever so for doing that as it,s always good to have a better understanding of what was in a place long before us , i had a feeling that was one of the first things built around that area only like i said rawston rd - manor road would be late 1800,s early 1900,s and the same for all the houses that used to be on the old balkerne hill as it used to be .
i suppose the fact that lexden came down that far isn,t so surprising there borough offices are not that far away now but the fact that st botolphs had an interest up there is a bit intriguing i,m wondering if it was anything to do with the priory that was in that area only when they were excavating for the southway road they found several old graves which they reckoned were monks i remember seeing them when we were building what was then scotts garage the funny thing was these bodies were buried on there backs but with there knees up as if either in a sitting position or they couldn,t be bothered to make the graves longer it,s one of those silly things i ,ve remembered .( just don,t ask me what happened 5 minutes ago i,ll never remember ;D ), anyway it may be why st botolphs had an interest as the church owned a lot of land in colchester at one time .
as i say thanks again ronnie good work as usual ;)
all the best
trevor
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you are more than welcome trev we should be a dab hand at these workhouses now but I do still wonder if this is why some people look for st botolphs workhouse :-\
Hope this helps someone anyway
Ronnie :)
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morning ronnie
all detail is good for reference and i,m always deeply interested in old colchester especially as to these workhouses don,t forget we learned of one for st botolphs parish somewhere in or around queen st on another post sometime back it was only a small workhouse in use before the poor law union came into being .
best wishes
trevor
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Hi all,
Yes I had a relation in the past by the name of Eliza Beaumont who died in the Colcester Workhouse in 1901.On my research for it found info about it as being on Balkerne Hill.Was amused to find out that is was later converted to St mary's hospital. As when I was about 8 or 9 years old ,I had my tonsils removed there and can remember that I could watch the trains at North Station from my bed. :D. I can also remember the big imposing building alongside North Station and that it was a Mental Institution at one point init's life history.
Alan.
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Hi Alan
yes you are right about it being a hospital and the other one was the imposing Essex Hall which is now a housing estate. They say its progress but we do lose a lot of historical buildings don't we?
Ronnie
Surprised TMO hasn't commented yet lol
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Hi all,
Yes I had a relation in the past by the name of Eliza Beaumont who died in the Colcester Workhouse in 1901.On my research for it found info about it as being on Balkerne Hill.Was amused to find out that is was later converted to St mary's hospital. As when I was about 8 or 9 years old ,I had my tonsils removed there and can remember that I could watch the trains at North Station from my bed. :D. I can also remember the big imposing building alongside North Station and that it was a Mental Institution at one point init's life history.
Alan.
Hi Alan is that your tree on line with the photos of the workhouse and gravestones
Ronnie
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Hi yes they were great buildings.Am not sure if St Mary's is still standing,but is a pity the one by North Station has gone. :(. Hi Ronnie my tree on Ancestry is called Theobald Family Tree.Be carefull as there are a couple of other tree's named alike. As several Theobald's are researching the Theobald's. On Eliza Beoumont profile on my I only have a photo of the workhouse,St Leonards Church of Lexden and a couple of stories in PDF file.
Alan
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hi alan .
st marys is also a housing estate now as well , as dear Ronnie says so much of Colchester heritage is being lost to so called progress the only thing left now is memories of how the old town looked way back when we were kids a Ronnie in the good old days ;D .
best wishes both
trevor
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Hi Trevor and Ronnie,
Yes I think that I might get lost around Colchester as have been away for some 30 years now.
Is a shame that those old buildings have gone taking so much history with them.
Changing to another area ,I am not sure if the same people still live in it, but I know the people who live in the Old Wivenhoe Workhouse.The chap was the Mayer of Wivenhoe.I think he looked up it's history after moving into the property, as at one time it was converted into 3 cottages.It stands on the main road on the right hand side as you enter Wivenhoe.
Alan
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hi alan .
st marys is also a housing estate now as well , as dear Ronnie says so much of Colchester heritage is being lost to so called progress the only thing left now is memories of how the old town looked way back when we were kids a Ronnie in the good old days ;D .
best wishes both
trevor
Hi Trevor good to know you are still about. Hope you and yours are well
tc
ronnie
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I know this is an old thread. I was just hoping someone might know anything about the children's home/institute that was Turner road/village. In the 1970's
Would be really grateful of any Information.
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Hi John.I never knew much about the old children's home/institute that was Turner road/village from the 1970's.But I knew of it's existence as I used to be a meter reader for British Gas and had to go in the grounds to read the meters.I don't live in the area any more but had a quick look on Google Maps.It looks like most of it has been demolished and rebuilt.But did see that the old main building/house is still there.It is still called Turner Village but looks like it now belong the the Essex N.H.S. Trust.Hope this helps.
Regards,
Alan.
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hi
must admit I know little of turner village and wasn't aware that there was a childrens unit there , if you do a google search for turner village several articles come up that may help you .
as alan says the most of the grounds of the village are now a housing estate .
regards
trevor
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Thank you both so much that has helped me loads.
If anyone else knows anything please post.
I cant believe it someone has just confirmed to me that it did exist, one happy fellow tonight :)
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Hi John ,Glad we were able to help you.
Alan
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hi
must admit I know little of turner village and wasn't aware that there was a childrens unit there , if you do a google search for turner village several articles come up that may help you .
as alan says the most of the grounds of the village are now a housing estate .
regards
trevor
Hi Trev LOng time no speak as they say lol Hope you are keeping well Ronnie