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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Martkos on Monday 25 October 10 14:15 BST (UK)
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Hi To all,
I have been intrigued to start a search on My Romany Heritage via an Rumour that we have Romany Ancestry in my Mother's line. My GG Grand Parents were called Mayo - not a Gypsy name from England I have been told by a couple of Romnichals I have spoken to. However I showed old photos to some Ursari Roma from Romania who are in Brum and friends of mine, who advised My GG Grandparents were Romany based on the photos I showed and also My G Grandmother. I approached a 'Dukkerer' in the City centre who advised - no palm reading was done - that my G Grandmother has the features of the Lee Family. I need more Info please - My G Grandmother was Emily Mayo b. 1906 - Warwickshire. Regards...
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Have you identified Emily on the 1911 census?
There are two possibles there but.... one is born Herefordshire and the other Worcestershire! Do you have names for her parents?
I think you need to go back to establish whether there are Romanies in the family.
Cheryl
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Hi,
I got from somewhere I cannot recall that maybe there names were Emily and George. That may be a long shot but I will try and get more info! Would seeing the photos help?
Regards
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Hi,
I have been told by a Drabarni/Dukkerer who visits Brum from the Smith Family of Gypsies that my line of Gypsies may be via the Lee Family and maybe even the Price Family. Does anyone know of any Lee Family of Gypsies who have been in the West Midlands or Warwickshire as it was known years ago. Particularly - Birmingham/Balck Country area. Please help!
PS - Does anyone know of Davey Jones of the Gypsy Church Movement? - I have been told to contact him.
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hi martkos
maybe this family are relatives
on the 1891 census at duddeston - aston - warwickshire
willm mayo age - 40 - born - clayhanger (nr walsall)
kezia mayo - 39 - nechells birmingham
mabel l mayo - 16 - nechells birmingham
william a mayo - 14 - perry barr staffordshire
nolet s mayo - 10 - perry barr
joseph f mayo - 8 - perry barr
george mayo - 7 - perry barr
alfred i mayo - 4 - perry barr
ethel m mayo - 1 - birmingham
willm's occupation is very hard to read , it looks like "leedainarn" on the census
interestingly there was a victorian occupation called a - legerdemainist -
i wonder if this was willm's occupation as i can't see any other occupation on the website -victorian occupations- that looks similar
a legerdemainist is another name for a magician ! :)
http://www.census1891.com/occupations-l.htm
hope this is helpful
regards sally
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Hi,
I would like someone to see if they can can find some information on these two people who married - date not known - only their names - my G Grandparents.
Their names were Emily Evelyn Mayo and She married John William Ward in Birmingham or Warwickshire.
Also if possible could the names of the fathers on any possible marriage certificate be advised please.
Thanks
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Mayo Emily Ward Birmingham S. 6d 53
Ward John W E Mayo Birmingham S. 6d 53
This looks like the marriage you want. It was September Quarter 1924.
To obtain the parents you would need to see the certificate or find someone who was going to relevant Records Office who was willing to search for you..
Certificates can be ordered from the GRO website, quoting the volume and page references ie 6d 53.
Cheryl
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Hello,
i stumbled across this whilst searching for someone else:
1871 census
George Mayo born 1835 Sussex hawker
Elizabeth born 1839 Surrey
William born 1860
Ellen born 1862
Henry born 1863
Frederick born 1866 all Brixton,Surrey.
Emily born 1871 Godalming
living in a caravan in Godalming,Surrey.
RG10 piece 815 folio17 page 28
with them James Deacon and family.
You may already have it,if not it could be significant.At the very least it shows there was at least one Mayo family living in a caravan that might have travelled.
Nel.
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A bit more:
1881 census
George Mayo born 1831 general dealer
Emily born 1840 N/K
Ellen born 1862 N/K
Emily born 1870 N/K
Jane born 1873 Godalming
John born 1877 Godalming
James born 1878 Godalming
Alfred born 1881 Godalming
William born 1860 N/K general dealer
Henry born 1863 N/K general dealer
Frederick born 1865 N/K general dealer
in caravans White Hay Yard,Godalming.
others there are Hammond and Hopkins.
class RG11 piece 780 folio 27 page 49
Nel.
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Hello,
have had a bit of a quick trawl through the census and havent found anything conclusive for George pre-1871.
Most of the children seem to be settled in houses after 1881,and mostly doing jobs that wouldnt necassarily be considered Traveller occupations,apart from general labourer.
Hopefully this info might be useful,
Nel
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hi, martkos. just saw your mails, i am a distant relation to the lees, and to the david jones you mentioned. he is my first cousin, he is from a large family, and they are all over the country,as is davie.so finding him might prove hard, but i am sure some one will help you if they can., i may be able to give you some info, if you like. as to the name mayo i dont know it as a traveller name. but romanys did and still do alter the surname at times, also some times a gypsy girls will marry a gorgio,(non traveller) and he may take her name. or she may just have wed outside the traveller caste. the lees are a old and big romany family, they travelled all this country and still do, my g.g.mother was annie wilson. nee lee. wed to jim wilson. i am not saying that there is a connection but with such a large family group as the lees its possible. if you want to ask anything or give me some info i could help you with feel free. rob..g
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Hi,
Thanks for posting Rob G, could it make things easier if I sent you as photo via e-mail of my G G grandparents? I do believe that until I see a copy of my G Grandparents Marriage certificate I cannot proceed further with the Romany link. Let me know.
regards
Martkos
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Hi,
I would like someone to find me the listing reference for My G Grandmother's birth date - 1906 - Name 'Mayo, Emily Evelyn J' . Any considerations would be grateful. Please also loom under 'Mayou' also.
Thanks
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Hi Martkos
Welcome to Rootschat!
Try :
1905 Jan - Mar Emily Zippporah Abergavenny 11 a 39
1906 Jan - Mar Emily Agnes Shaftesbury 5a 203
1906 Oct - Dec Emily Birmingham 6d 151
1907 Apr - Jun Emily Maud West Derby 8b 369
Best wishes
Emms :)
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NelWild, The 'James Mayo' in your list was my great-grandfather, who was born 'at the side of the road' and lived in a caravan in the White Hart Yard, Godalming - Not the 'White Hay' as stated. He left the wandering life and settled down in a house in Mitcham, a popular place with gypsies of all kinds at the time.
His son and grandson (my father) were both named George, a traditional name in our family going back. William is another common name in our branch of the Mayo family.
Oddly enough, though I'm only 1/4 Romani, I took up astrology and Tarot-reading as a career before I discovered my ancestry, as I could never settle into ordinary jobs.
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Hi Paul,
Welcome to RootsChat.
I am sorry to say that it was Martkos who was originally researching into the Mayo family but sadly their email is no longer working :'(
I have very little to go on as they only made 6 posts with no real name and googling the information they gave nothing is coming up.
Interesting to hear how you took up astrology and Tarot reading as a career before finding out your ancestry.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Sarah, yes - and I also spent much of my twenties fruit-picking and doing seasonal work on farms! Blood will out, I suppose.
Paul
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Hi, I've been researching my line of LEE's who according to census forms they lived in the Kingswinford/Woverhampton area of Staffordshire, my direct connection is Hannah LEE b.1728, Kingswinford, daughter of Richard LEE b.1705, Kingswinford, Richard was married to Hannah BENNET b.1706, Birmingham, my LEE's occupations were: tin plate worker, tin plate maker, tinsmith, wood engraver, cooper (this particular occupation was passed down generations), blacksmith, wondering if these LEE's are of gypsy ancestry, many thanks, Catherine.
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im just wondering whether anybody can confirm there were any bargee travellers known by hamplett or amplett or wigley families that travelled around the west midlands. i am told by my great uncle and grandfather that they owned a coal wharf. im not sure exactly where im sorry thats not much help but i know it was around the west midlands. - this is my moms dads mothers family
and i think maybe i have gypsy heritage from my great grandfather and grandmother from my mothers mothers side. my great grandads surname was luke. born in walsall
and my great grandmothers maiden name was richards but from my ancestry ive seen that her family go into the faulkners lees and cashes
and would anyone know if my bargee ancestors would of been of romany or irish decent we have family members that have olive or tan skin my mom gets dark skin really easily and i think my aunty does my great nan does too aswell as my grandad her son. my little brother is often confused as mixed race because of his dark complextion. he has a different dad to me but his dad is white.
however i have alot of irish roots through all sides of my family.
i have it on my moms moms side both sides.
and my dads family his mother is hutchinson and her parents were hutchinson and davies
dating back a few hundred years on my dads moms side
there are family names like powell and blackmoores
where as on my nans dads side it was hutchinsons and they date back to the fords kellys and duffys.
im not sure if this making any sense or ive explained this right but im just wondering whether anyone can tell me anything about these surnames as i cant find much on ancestry.