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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: kathy-9 on Sunday 10 October 10 21:17 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am researching my great aunts emigrating to the States, but am reaching a brick wall at the moment. Can anybody help??
Here is what I have so far:
Mary Ryan, born Uddingston, Lanark, Scotland in 1903 emigrated to Brooklyn NY 1925.
Catherine Ryan, born Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland, in 1906, emigrated to Brooklyn NY 1930.
I imagine both married in Brooklyn even going on to other places after that.
What I need is marriage information for both these girls, and then even go on to find death certificates for them too. Family rumour has it that Mary died of Cancer in Florida, dont know when but I imagine between 1940 - 55,
Can any of you good people help with this tangle, or even point me in the right direction? I would be SSSOOOOO grateful.
Kathy
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Do you have their parents' names? Their exact birth dates? Have you found them on particular passenger lists? Any idea about their occupations in the US, when they might have married, or names of who they might have married?
There are marriage indexes for New York City on www.italiangen.org, but it may be tough to figure out if you have the right people with such common names.
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Mary was a teacher, she completed her education at St Augustines College she taught for 30 years in Brooklyn. She married John Mulligan from Edinburgh. Molly as she was known was former vice-state Chairman of the Junior Daughters of America and was an active Girl Scout. Her sister Eleanor was with her in Florida where she died. She was survived by 2 daughters.
This obituary was i believe in the Stirling local paper.
Stasia (Niece of Mary)
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The marriage index that I mentioned above has a marriage for John Mulligan and Mary B. Ryan on 29 Oct. 1933 in Kings Co. (which is Brooklyn.) Perhaps that's them?
There is a Mary Mulligan on the Florida death index who died in 1948 in Tampa. Unfortunately, there's no other detail other than the fact that she was female and her race was white.
When was sister Eleanor born? Was she married? Do you have a death date for her?
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In the 1930 Census at 200 Terrace Place, Brooklyn, New York, there is a servant named Cathrine Ryan, age 24, single, b. Scotland, parents b. Scotland, immigration date unknown, papers filed for naturalization, who is living in the household of Harry R. Gore with his wife & 3 children. Maybe that's your Catherine?
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If you don't have it yet, I found a possible match for Catherine Ryan on a passenger list for the SS Cameronia from Glasgow to New York, arriving 5 Feb. 1930. It says she was going to Brooklyn to join sister Mary Ryan. Catherine's place of birth was listed as Uddingston, Scotland.
I think the 1948 death I found might not be your Mary, as there appears to be a reference to her here: http://ipac.hcplc.org:8080/ipac20/ipac.jsp?&profile=main&menu=search&submenu=power#focus It looks as if this Mary may have been age 71.
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Thank you so much for the information about Catherine Ryan. Where did you find this information? My Aunt Mary (Molly) Mulligan Ms Ryan died in Florida in the late 60s early 70s. Her sister Eleanor died in the UK in the late 80s I think?
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Oh Shelley thank you SO MUCH for this information I been sitting here for days trying to figure it out.
As Stasia says, where do you get your info? I have the 2 week free Ancestry and I just couldnt get ahead with this.
Stasia is my cousin and we met thru Rootschat bringing us together, we're loving it!!
Kathy :)
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Yes Shelley, the Catherine Ryan you found on the Cameronia is the right one, 1930.. Do you think that the Catherine you found in the Census could be the same girl? ie when was the Census taken? It is in 1930 also.
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The 1930 Census date was April 1st, so that could be her. She wouldn't have been around long enough to file papers for naturalization, but maybe her employers were the ones giving the information and they didn't really know what she had done in that regard?
I haven't had any luck finding a death record for Mary. If she did die later (such as late 60's/early 70's), then she may be on the Social Security Death Index, but I didn't find any likely matches. Any chance that she was divorced or widowed and remarried before she died? Do you know anything about when/where her husband may have died?
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There is mention of Stasia (Anastasia) Begly who may be the dughter of Catherine.
Stasia
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Hi Shelley, I have no information on Mary but I would imagine she died late 50s or into the 60s. I know from the Immigration Papers 1925 she was sponsored by Aunt, Anastasia Begley, who lived in Brooklyn, NY. Will search further and let you know.
These links you have given me are great thank you very much!!:)
Kathy
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You're welcome, Kathy.
There is mention of Stasia (Anastasia) Begly who may be the dughter of Catherine.
Did Catherine marry someone named Begly?
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I dont know, Shelley. Did you find someone named Begley? I know that Mary and her sister Anastasia emigrated to NY 1925 to guardian Mrs Anastasia Begley.
HAve you found any record of Catherine after 1930? She seems to be a will o the wisp. It would be great if you found some hint of her, give closure to that part of the hunt. As to marriage and death, I am stumped.
Have a good Wednesday, Kathy :)
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I didn't find anything - I asked because of what Stasia said.
On the passenger list, it said Mary was going to join aunt Anastasia Begley. It doesn't mean Anastasia was her guardian or anything like that.
If you have any further information on any of Mary & Catherine's siblings in the US or any other relatives in the US, it might be helpful.
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Anastasia, born 1905, went with Mary to the US in 1925. She married Robert Guthrie MacMaster in 1927 and had Mary Virginia MacMaster, in 1928. Anastasia returned to the UK and then returned to the US in 1931 then going back to to the US presumably to return with her husband to the UK. I gather he was ill and they returned to the UK (Glasgow) after 1931.
Anastasia always referred to Mrs Begley as her guardian, hence the name guardian. Only a few days ago I realised this was in fact her aunt.
Even tho this lady was my grandmother, she was very close about information about her life. Only recently I discovered at all that Mary had gone with her to the US. In fact, only recently I discovered there was in fact a Mary at all. Many mysteries, this tribe ...
Thanks again Shelley for your help, much appreciated :)
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In the old letter i have from a cousin it tells me that (I quote) "there was a Stasia Begley, perhaps this was Catherins daughter"
As a child i remember hearing family talking about Stasia Begley in America and that i had a cousin Stasia in America. My research started by trying to track down where my name Anastasia came from, besides my Aunt Stasia (Kathys grand mother) i new of no others. I know now that it is commonly used in Ireland and that it came from the Ryan side of the family. Molly and Anastasia going to the US to therir Gaurdian Anastasia Begly suggests that she must have been a relative.
Thank you to Shellyesq and Kathy for wonderful reseach x
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Could one of you nice guys look up Molly for me? She is being as slippery as a slippery slidey eel.
Details:
Molly (Mary) Ryan, born 1901 Scotland.
Moved to US in 1925 (got that)
Married in 1933 to John Mulligan Brooklyn, NY got that
Parents James Ryan and Mary Bonar, living in Scotland 1901.
Now death - I believe she died in Florida about 1965-70 and I found one entry but with no further info on it for Pasco, FL for 1967.
Any further info would be great, whether she had children or in fact anything.
Thx guys appreciate it a lot. Been researching Molly for weeks and it is going really slow.
Kathy :)
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