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Title: williams
Post by: CPALong on Sunday 24 October 10 01:37 BST (UK)

I'm looking for information regarding Deborah Kinsey the neice of William and Elizabeth Williams who lived in Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan (Llangeinor). Their other children were, William, Thomas John, Morris, Benjamin.

Deborah was born December 25, 1888 or 1889.

Thank you for any help.

Title: Re: williams
Post by: down-under on Sunday 24 October 10 05:59 BST (UK)

Deborah Kinsey march quarter 1889 Pontypridd Glamorgan
11a 459
She could have been born dec 25 and registered  in January which is covered by the March quarter

There are two others 1892 and 1902

1891 RG12/4452 folio 117 page 41 Llangeinor Glamorgan

In same house

12 Gwendoline

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Jane Richards age 33 wife m born
Mary A dau age 15
Henry son age 11
Edgar son age 5
Gwilynn son age 3
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Harriett Howell wife  m age 21 Abardare
Deborah Kinsey dau age 2 born Ystradyfodwg
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Harriet Kinsey married David Howells  dec quarter 1890 Bridgend Glamorgan  11a 1318


1891 RG12/4452 folio 118 page 44 Llangeinor Glamorgan

22 Gwendoline

William Williams age 36 Neath
Elizabeth wife age 34 Merthyr
Morris son age  15 rest born Ystradfodwg
William J son age 13
Thomas J son age 10
Benjamin son age 7
Ann Kinsey mother in law age 60 widow Kidwelly Carmarthenshire
John Kinsey brother in law married age 30 Mountain Ash
Thomas Green boarder

1881 Ystradyfodwg Reg district PONTYPRIDD

James  Kinsey age 51 Merthyr
Ann wife age 50 Llanstephan
Ann dau age 19 Llanvabon
John son age 17 llanvabon
William son age 14 Abadare
James son age 12 Abadare
Harriett dau age 9 Abadare
Deborah dau age 22 Ystrad
Thomas Thomas lodger age 43




1901 Rg13/5015 folio 33 page 20 Ystradfodwg

104 Gelly Road

John Kinsey age  40 Mountain Ash
Hannah wife age 36 Abadare
William son age 17
Eliza dau age 13
Deborah dau age 10 Ystradtfodwg
Mary dau age 9
Cathrine dau age 3
Margaret Thomas mother  age 65
William Thomas father in law age 59


Pam

Title: Re: williams
Post by: down-under on Sunday 24 October 10 06:25 BST (UK)

1901 Rg13/5043 folio 74 page 69  LLangeinor


William Williams age 46 Neath
Elizabeth wife age 44
William J son age 22
Benjamin son age 17
Deborah Kinsey niece age 13

Maggie Davies boarder

I cannot find Deborahs mother Harriett who married David Howells

edited you are correct Williams typing mistake

There are two Deborah Kinseys about the same age Harrietts 1889 and John Kinseys dau. The one born 1892 must be Johns and the one born 1902 died 1905.

Pam

Title: Re: williams
Post by: down-under on Sunday 24 October 10 06:53 BST (UK)

1871 Rg10/5385 folio 16 page 25 Clydach

James Kinsey age 41 Merythr
Ann age 40 Carnarthen
Thomas son age 18 Dowlais
Elizabeth dau age 14 Dowlais
Ann dau age 12
John son age 10
William son age 8
James son age 6
Harriet dau age 4
William Parry lodger
William Evans lodger
William Williams lodger age 18 Aberdare
Abraham Owens lodger

I cannot see the  Deborah Kinsey age 22 daughter who was in  the 1881 census??

Pam

Title: Re: williams
Post by: osprey on Sunday 24 October 10 11:27 BST (UK)

see also
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,491246.0.html

the street name in 1901 isn't Fenhill, it's Brynbedw and the family name is Williams. Only Deborah is Kinsey. Elizabeth born Dowlais, the 2 sons & Deborah born Ystradyfodwg.

Title: Re: williams
Post by: CPALong on Tuesday 26 October 10 00:36 BST (UK)

Thank you, everyone, for your help.  To add to the confusion, my cousin found a paper that said Deborah lived in Blaengawr, Bridgend.  Does that make any sense?

She was the neice of William and Elizabeth Williams, of that I am sure. They adopted her and her name on the 1904 (she was 14) ship manifest was Williams.  She's listed as a daughter, but she told me many times that she was adopted by her aunt and uncle.  Too bad I didn't ask for more information. 

Is it possible to obtain a copy of the adoption certificate?

Title: Re: williams
Post by: Seren on Tuesday 26 October 10 09:20 BST (UK)

Quote from: CPALong on Tuesday 26 October 10 00:36 BST (UK)

Thank you, everyone, for your help.  To add to the confusion, my cousin found a paper that said Deborah lived in Blaengawr, Bridgend.  Does that make any sense?

Both Gwendoline Street and Bryn Bedw are in Blaengarw which is in the parish of Llangeinor.
I live in this area and look onto Gwendoline St from my house........Bryn Bedw is just around the corner.  ;D

Title: Re: williams
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 26 October 10 19:12 BST (UK)

There won't be an adoption certificate. As mentioned on your other post, the state only became involved in adoptions in 1927. Before that, the arrangements were mainly informal. In the case of your relative, as she was taken in by extended family, I doubt they would have gone to the expense of a solicitor.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,264933.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,248756.0.html 

Title: Re: williams
Post by: CPALong on Wednesday 27 October 10 00:10 BST (UK)

Thanks again, everyone.  I'm proud to be Welsh with such nice people as you.

Seren, could we be related??