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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: stuartone on Sunday 24 October 10 00:52 BST (UK)
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Hi all, a beautiful day.
Catherine Angus married a William Longman sometime in 1910 now did they stay in NZ or immigrated, or are they both buried here ?? she is supposed to have died in 1930 if so where ?
regard
stuart
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Hi Stuart,
I don't see a marriage or deaths for either of them on BDM's
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
Cheers Janette
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Hi Stuartone
Was William Born 1885 Hobart. Do you have any idea where they may have lived in NZ.
I have found nothing on Archway Archives for them, Nothing significant on the NZSG index, although there is an entry for a William Longman: Pandora box entry. Source: Index to Wills, Lands and Deed Office Wellington by June Springer 1987... This maybe too late for your William though. There is a death for a Catherine Angus 6 Sept 1930 in Omaru but not Longman.
Nothing for them on NZ Histirical BMD's ..Did they have middle names at all?
lil
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Hi Lil,
I did not have that date only 1930 given by another rellie, Thank you for your help Stuart.
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Hi Janette, Thank you.
I did not fine them either.
kind regards Stuart.
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Not on 1911 E Roll, 1915 War census either
Bye
Althea
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Hi Janette,
I have a registration number for BDM 1910/12939 , I'm not sure where I got if from it seems too long. I will ring them Tue.
stuart
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Hi Stuart,
That birth is for Gladys Eccles parents May and William John
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Janette, I must have written it down wrongly , I have never heard of them thought i was going mad
stuart. I will keep trying.
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1883/2430 Catherine Curran married William Longman Angus
NZ BMD online
Bye
althea
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Saw a probate on Archway for William longman Angus...did wonder about that. Doed 1925..Peebles. Was a surfaceman
lil
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Names must have got mixed given surname middlename option
Bye
althea
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From BDM births
1886/12939 Angus Catherine Catherine William Longman
so looks like William Longman was her father and not her husband ???
From BDM Marriages - three possibilities or maybe all three ???
1911/8405 Catherine Angus Thomas Harkness
1915/1466 Catherine Angus Harold Lionel Matheson
1926/5238 Catherine Angus Robert McMeeking
John B
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Hi John
Maybe the double up of names lead to confusion with deaths
the Catherine Angus who dies 1930 is a widow
so not the daughter..married
Bye
Althea
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BDM also show the following deaths
1962/42044 McMeeking Catherine 78Y
She is buried at Oamaru
1936/20819 McMeeking Robert Steven 71Y
He is buried at Andersons Bay, Dunedin
John B
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Good morning Althea,
I have just gone back and double checked from the previous reply . I think I made the mistake .I found where I got the order number when I printed the BDM file 1818/12939. I assumed that William Longman was her husband but it's her
father. So she is not an Angus Child
Stuart.
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. So she is not an Angus Child
Stuart.
Are you sure she is not an Angus child?
In 1883 William Longman Angus married Catherine Curran
1883/2430 Catherine Curran William Longman Angus
Up to 1908 they had 12 children, with Catherine being the third
1883/13785 Angus Margaret Catherine William Longman
1885/8479 Angus James Catherine William Longman
1886/12939 Angus Catherine Catherine William Longman
1887/7724 Angus Mary Jane Catherine William Longman
1889/3017 Angus John Catherine William Longman
1891/11455 Angus William Allan Catherine William Longman
1892/14284 Angus Rosie Catherine William Longman
1894/6902 Angus David Catherine William Longman
1897/18932 Angus Elizabeth Catherine William Longman
1899/17889 Angus Mabel Jane Catherine William Longman
1901/19633 Angus Alice Maud Bridget Catherine William Longman
1908/11662 Angus Ellen Esther Catherine William Longman
Do any of these other children's names mean anything to you ??
John B
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Hi John,
No I'm not sure ,I'm now going back to got through the children that David Angus / Jane Elder had.This is what I have been given
James Angus born 7 th May 1878
William Angus 18 th Aug 1880
Elizabeth A Angus 14 th Mar 1882
Harry B Angus 16 th Apr 1884
Catherine Angus 25 th Dec 1886
Stuart
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Hi John,
Now I'm sure these are the children that David Angus & Jane had except the date for James is a year later.
Stuart.
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Hi Stuart,
Looks like there could be more than one family involved here. Three ??? ???
Just shows the importance of getting names and dates correct - and never assuming anything.
Hope the following might help to untangle this family.
James Angus born 7 th May 1878 ??
from BDM
1878/12018 Angus James Margaret Alexander (Birth date 10 Jul 1878)
1879/14356 Angus James Jane David (Birth date 17 May 1879)
1879/14356 Angus James Jane David
William Angus 18 th Aug 1880
Parents from BDM
1880/15192 Angus William Jane David
Elizabeth A Angus 14 th Mar 1882
Parents from BDM
1882/1059 Angus Elizabeth Annie Jane David
Harry B Angus 16 th Apr 1884
Parents from BDM
1884/14040 Angus Harry Jane David
Catherine Angus 25 th Dec 1886
from BDM
1886/12939 Angus Catherine Catherine William Longman (birth 25 May 1886)
1886/829 Angus Catherine Jane David (birth 25 Dec 1885 - but registered 1886)
As most of the children you mentioned have parents Jane and David, it looks like the Catherine born to William Longman Angus might be a red herring - and your correct Catherine has parents Jane and David ??? ::) ???
John B
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Hi Stuart
as John says, getting like multiples.
Take us back to the family you are following
Is it the DAVID ANGUS/JANE ELDER?
Bye
althea
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Althea,
Yes I am a descendant of David Angus, He was my Great grandfather
John , It looks like I jumped to conclusion with Catherine because I had thought her husband was William longman and I can find no marriage on BDM for her , I expect the only way to find out is her grace stone.
regard to both stuart.
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Hi Stuart,
Glad to hear you are getting it sorted out.
Note dates in red above are from BDM and quite likely more accurate than those you listed.
Good Luck :D
John B
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Hi John,
No I'm not sure ,I'm now going back to got through the children that David Angus / Jane Elder had.This is what I have been given
James Angus born 7 th May 1878
William Angus 18 th Aug 1880
Elizabeth A Angus 14 th Mar 1882
Harry B Angus 16 th Apr 1884
Catherine Angus 25 th Dec 1886
Stuart
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Hi there,
I have just noticed several comments re the Angus family and, as I am a descendant of William Longman Angus, born at Eday, Orkney Isles 28th Nov 1859, I thought I'd drop you a line. He had a brother called David Angus - born before or after that date ( I need to find the details i have stored somewhere). He had 4 brothers and 2 sisters. There has always been a David Angus in each generation moving forward from the mid 1850s. I am just about to starting going backwards. again, and I do have all those DOB to start working on so if there might be anything helpful/we are in the same ball-park let me know. I think the place is important. I am fairly certain that this Angus family were all from the same place.
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Morning missD,
I have gone back and looked and it appears that the first Catherine Angus that I have married William Henry Davis 31 st Dec 1875 Blackford Perthshire & the second married Thomas Harkness 26 th Dec 1911 Dunedin NZ
Death Certificate...
there maybe Catherine's further back that those dates but I have not investigated yet.
Kind regards Stuart.
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William longman Angus was born in the Orkney Isles 20th January 1859. His middle name - Longman - seems to be related to his Aunt's husband, as there are no other Longmans in our family. A William Longman married William Angus's Aunt Rebecca Allan at Hobart Australia in 1853. The had no children. William Angus sailed to NZ on 28th November 1859, leaving Plymouth on the Opawa. he married Catherine Curran ( from Ballyhaise, Co Cavan) in Oamaru 31st July 1883. They live at papakaio (peebles) all their lives. If i can help with anything else please do ask.
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Thank you Miss D,
I have recently received Williams Angus's death certificate & the one I was interested in confirms that William Angus born 1880 married Ruth Adams in 1906 in Palmerston North & Elizabeth Watkins in Sydney in 1930 and died in Lower Hutt 1933.
I have another two William Angus's one born 27th Jan 1883 Mataru& died 24 th augus 1956 at Orkanui, Invercargill, and another born in Blackford Perth, Sct born 1849 and died 16 years later.
Further back another William Angus, born 12 Jan 1802 Dunbarney Per, Sct married Elizabeth Ellis & Died in 1867 Dundee, Sct.
Kind regards Stuart.