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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: EDO on Saturday 23 October 10 22:28 BST (UK)
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Hello
I am seeking the Birth details of my GGrandmother -
Elizabeth [Eliza] Maria COTTRELL b about 1837.
Eliza came to Australia with her parents as a 1 year old -
"arrived in Sydney on the vessel "CALCUTTA" 15 Oct 1838.
The ship had sailed from Cove of Cork on 29 June 1838 ...."
Parents names:
Richard COTTRELL b c1814
Elizabeth BUTLER b c1818
Thank you
EDO
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To search for records before the start of Civil registration you will need to check for parish records. To do this you first need to know the family religion and their location in some detail - i.e. town, townland or parish. This is vital, as not all parishes have have early records.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Hello Shane
Thank you for your response.
I only have a family anecdote which mentions Clonmel:
Also the family was Roman Catholic.
The family left from Cork when emigrating to Australia in 1838.
"Description in NSW Shipping records -
Richard Cottrell married male immigrant.
To the Government. Native of Cork.
Son of William Cottrell, an Attorney in Cork and Anne Williamson, his wife.
Cabinet and Chair-maker. 24 years of age - 1 June 1838.
Catholic. Read and write."
EDO
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just wondering what the possible Tipperary connection is .. both of the Cottrell references mention Cork ?
.'..Richard Cottrell...Native of Cork....'
'....son of William Cottrell, an Attorney in Cork...'
Shane
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It is also my confusion insofaras Clonmel and Corkare concerned.
I have the Aussie link but have not been able to find an IRE link!
EDO
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RC Parish records for part of County Cork (south west county & city) are available on www.irishgenealogy.ie, and there are Cottrell records listed... I dont see any good matches for Eliza.... Richard's baptism might be a little before some of the parish records start.
Shane
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Good morning Shane
Thank you for that further information.
EDO
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Hi EDO
It appears that my own grt grandmother Elizabeth Cottrell 1836-1907 may well have been your grt grandmother's second cousin.
Elizabeth's father was Charles Cottrell (architect) whose business address was Wandsworth Bridge, Cork City. In turn, Charles father was Francis Edward Cottrell, also an architect of the same address.
The reason that I feel that Francis the Architect and William the Attorney may have been brothers is in the registry of Deeds there is a lease dated 29th October 1804 concerning both Francis and William. I will have to get a copy to get the full details.
Even though I live near Cork, I have found it very difficult to find any information on this family and felt that they had all emigrated. There is another family of Cottrell's based around Baltimore in west Cork who are not related.
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Hello Andy 3
Welcome to RootsChat!
You will find the RootsChatters to be very helpful.
Thank you for your response. I have no confirmed link at this stage.
However, some years ago, I did extract the following Battle of Trafalgar record.
"Battle of Trafalgar
John Cottrell aged 22 born in Cork, County Cork, Ireland.
Ship: HMS Royal Sovereign
Rank/Rating: Landsman
Service details
Comments: From: see former books
HMS Royal Sovereign
Ship's pay book number: (SB 680)
1 March 1805
Sources used
Catalogue reference: ADM 36/15755"
Are you able to confirm a link?
Regards
EDO
in Brisbane
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Hi EDO
I am unsure which link you are referring to . Is it the link between Charles the architect and William the Attorney? I looked William up in "Kings Inns Admission Papers" but the entry is quite sparse saying only that he was an attorney in 1799.
If we assume that Charles and William were brothers, their father was Rev Edward Cottrell 1708-1788, who was the son of Alderman Francis Cottrell d. 1716 who was Mayor of Cork in 1703. These links are documented by various leases and deeds.
You said that Richard was catholic. Charles was protestant but the difference in religion does not surprise me as in my own family,Jermyn, there are a number of mixed marriages at much the same time. Marriages between the same class may have been more important than religion.
John Cottrell is a new one to me but will be added to my list of unattached Cottrells. Any info you would like,just ask
Andy
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Hi, I have just viewed your post from 2010. I am a descendant of Elizabeth Butlers brother Thomas. His daughter Mary was my great great grandmother. I am very interested in expanding the family tree and including the Cottrells to fill in a little more about Mary Butlers arrival in Sydney. Her shipping record makes note of the fact that she had an Aunt Elizabeth in Sydney. If you have information back beyond Thomas and Elizabeth Butler I also am very interested in that as well. Cheers
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Hi guys - I am brand new to this site and even to any site searching for ancestry - so please forgive if I am going about incorrectly - but wanted to advise that on the BURRIDGE family site it shows:
WILLIAM COTTRELL : B 1770 D 18 DEC 1838
MARRIED: ANN WILLIAMSON (B 1772). Married : 14 JULY 1799
CHILDREN :
RICHARD COTTRELL - B 1 JUNE 1814 CORK. D. 19 NOVEMBER 1886 BRISBANE AUSTRALIA
HENRY. - B. 1816. CORK
THERESE. - B. 1 APRIL 1817 CORK D. 15 JUNE 1878 298 Castlereagh St Sydney Aust
ELIZA. - B. 4 JUNE 1821 CORK
HOPE THIS INFORMATION MAY BE HELFUL TO SOMEONE OUT THERE !
CHEERS
HARRIETS GRANDAUGHTER
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Hello,
A little more information found on William and Ann COTTRELL and family - apparently they had a connection with BLACK ROCK CASTLE in Cork.
Also in " Lord Mayor of Cork" History( in earlier days they were known as Mayors of Cork )and the records go way back to the 1100's
FRANCES COTTRELL. IS LISTED AS BEING MAYOR IN 1705 and formerly SHERRIF in 1700.
Harriet's Grandaughter
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Hi Harriets, I am still researching the Cottrells in New South Wales and their connections. A couple of questions. Are you able to give me a link to the Burridge Family site if it is not a closed site. If it is I understand. Also do you have in your extended ancestry any O'Neills. in particular an Edward O'Neill and his wife Charlotte. Her maiden name was O'Brien. Cheers, Ian
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HI TASSIE TIGER - NO O'NEILLS OR O'BRIENS
BUTLER:
ELIZA BUTLER. : B 03 April. 1818 IN CLONMEL. TIPPERARY IRELAND
D 31 Jan 1870 BRISBANE
ARRIVAL. NSW. 16th October 1838
MARRIED RICHARD COTTERELL SON OF WILLIAM COTTRELL AND
ANN WILLIAMSON
CHILDREN OF ELIZA AND RICHARD :
FRANCIS COTTRELL. B 1836. In CLONMEL TIPPERARY IRELAND
D. 5 Jan 1857. IN SYDNEY
ELIZA MARIA COTTRELL. B. 1837. In CLONMEL. IRELAND
D. 27 Nov. 1917. In CLASLPINA. SOUTH BRISBANE
MARRIED. GEORGE EDMONDS ( B. 1828 in Johnstown Co Wexford Ireland) 16 April 1857 St Mary's Cathedral Sydney Married
Son of RICHARD HENRY EDMONDS AND CATHERINE FURLONG (B 5th April1873. D. 17th Dec. 1906). CLASLPINA south BRISBANE
WILLIAM COTTRELL. B. 18 Dec. 1839. SYDNEY. D. 1860
Also Ian family stories indicate that William Cotterell and his family members had a strong connection with BLACK ROCK CASTLE IN CORK. Some may have even resided there.
Hope some of this information may be useful to you - let me know.
Cheers Harriets