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Hi,
Any chance of a look up please in Marlow PRs for Emanuel Hastings born c1821? Emanuel was aged 30 in the 1851 Census for Islington East, his parents are Jonathon & Elizabeth Hastings, I think the birth year would be reasonably accurate because his age was given as 20 in the 1841 census.
The next recorded appearance of Jonathan and Elizabeth is when they had two children (not stated to be twins) baptised 14 May 1826 at Hammersmith St Paul, Middlesex.
I am located in Australia so I'm unable to search those PRs myself.
Regards.
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Transcripts of Great Marlow parish registers published by The EurekA Partnership http://www.eurekapartnership.com contain no HASTINGS baptisms between 1763 and 1848.
Orpheus
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Hi
Found marriage of emanuel hastings to matilda bolton 15 may 1842 st john the baptist hillington middlesex, father johnathan & brides father john bolton. could not find any birth or baptism. hope this is some help.
regards alan
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In the 1861 census (Ref: RG9/767 Folio 84 Schedule 50 - Hillingdon, Middlesex) Emanuel (who is listed by Ancestry as HARTING) gives his age as 30 and his place of birth as Little Marlow, Bucks. This is a separate parish from Great Marlow.
Orpheus
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From a transcript of the Little Marlow parish registers held at the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies, Aylesbury:
BAPTISMS
3 Sep 1780 John son of John and Mary HASTINGS
14 Apr 1782 William son of John and Mary HEASTIN
2 May 1784 Sarah dau of John and Mary HASTINGS
2 Apr 1786 Mary dau of John and Mary HASTINGS
22 Jun 1788 Thomas son of John and Mary HASTINGS
23 May 1790 Jonathan son of John and Mary HASTINGS
9 Sep 1792 John William son of John and Mary HASTINGS
16 Aug 1795 Ann dau of John and Mary HASTINGS
7 Jun 1811 John Thomas son of John and Elizabeth HASTINGS
9 Aug 1812 William son of Jonathan and Elizabeth HASTINGS
BAPTISMS (from original register Ref: PR141/1/2)
13 Mar 1814 Henry son of Jonathan and Elizabeth HASTINGS of Well End, labourer
12 May 1816 William son of Jonathan and Elizabeth (late ING) HASTINGS of Well End, labourer, born Ap 10 1816
21 Sep 1817 Elizabeth dau of Jonathan and Elizabeth (late ING) HASTINGS of Sheepridge, labourer
4 Jun 1820 Emanuel son of Jonathan and Elizabeth (late INGS) HASTINGS of Sheepridge, labourer, born May 6th
MARRIAGES (from transcript)
5 Feb 1780 John HASTINGS (signs HESTINGS) bach of this parish
Mary (X) MITCHELL of this parish, widow
No witnesses
3 Nov 1810 Jonathan HASTINGS bach of this parish
Elizabeth (X) INGS spinster of this parish
Wit: William BROWN, John HASTINGS
6 Jan 1817 John HASTINGS bach of this parish
Jemima BRYANT spinster of this parish
Wit: John HEATHER, Elizabeth (X) WEBB
I did not have time to search the burials although I know there are some. A possible candidate for the John HASTINGS who married in 1780 is the John baptised to William and Mary HASTINGS at Cookham, Berkshire, on 6 Aug 1758
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Orpheus, your blood's worth bottling.
Although Emanuel is a sibling and not an ancestor of my late wife June, I do like to tie up the loose ends so I'm immensely grateful to you for that info, having also the marriage of Jon & Eliz and some children I didn't have is just icing on the cake, that takes the total of children from 5 to 10, fantastic ;D ;D ;D ;D
Got so excited that I've only just taken in the fact that you've also found Jonathan's parents and siblings, good breeders these Hastings, 11 children in the next generation and 10 in the generation after!
Someone gave me details of what was said to be the 1851 census the birthplace for Emanuel (aged 30) was given as simply Marlow/Bucks. It looks as though the 1861 has not been correctly transcribed because if baptised in 1821 he should be 40 in 1861, not that it matters much.
I think you're right about John Hastings of William & Mary, Thomas Hastings a son of Jonathan & Elizabeth also used the name William for one of his sons.
Alimag, thanks for that marriage, I did have that marriage but it came from GR so I needed it verified, also my info did not include the names for the fathers of the Bride and Groom.
This was my first post on this board and I find it hard to believe how much pertinent info I've received and so quickly too, I'm over the moon ;D
Regards.
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Hi Findem,
I recently just started looking into my family history.
I live in Canada. I am related to all those Hastings that you have mentioned.
Emanuel Hastings From 1823 is my Great Great Great Grandfather.
Please feel free to email me at (*) if you would like to talk more about
the past. You may even have info I don't have. The furthest back I can get is Emanuel Hastings father Johnathan born in 1795.
(*) Moderator's Note: email address removed in accordance with Rootschat ploicy. Please us PM (Personal Message) to exchange personal information
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The furthest back I can get is Emanuel Hastings father Johnathan born in 1795.
See reply #4 in this string - Jonathan, son of John and Mary HASTINGS was baptised at Little Marlow, Buckinghamshire on 23 May 1790.
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Its funny cause the dates are close to the ones I have.
I just can't seem to find further information.
I have Jonathan Hastings (1795) married to Elizabeth ? (1803)
They had Emanuel Hastings (1823) he married in 1842 Matilda Bolton (1821)
They had Emanuel Hastings (1847) he married Mary jackson
They Had Emanuel Hastings (1876) he married Harriet Elizabeth Terry (1877)
They Had Charlie Hastings (1917) he married Ruby Peachell (1920) -these are my grandparents. charlie was a very late birth compared to his siblings.
They Had my father Ray Hastings in 1952. He moved to Canada and had me James Hastings in 1980.
My research shows a lot of other Hastings with the name of Jonathan and Emanuel who arent related from around the same timelines of the 1800 and 1700's. If Jonathans father is infact Jonathan as well, that is huge information.
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Its funny cause the dates are close to the ones I have.
I just can't seem to find further information.
What are the sources for the information you have?
If Jonathans father is infact Jonathan as well, that is huge information.
Jonathan's father is John HASTINGS. He married Mary MITCHELL, a widow, at the parish church of St John the Baptist, Little Marlow, Buckinghamshire on 5th February 1780. John and Mary had 8 children and all of them were baptised at the above church - including Jonathan who was their seventh child. Jonathan married Elizabeth INGS at the same church on 3 November 1810. They had 6 children baptised at St John the Baptist, Little Marlow - including Emanuel who was their sixth child.
Its funny cause the dates are close to the ones I have.
They should be close because this is the family you are searching for!
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Hi, Orpheus,
Thanks for answering the jhastings queries, let's face it you know as much about my wife's Buckinghamshire Hastings ancestors as I do, after all most of my info was supplied by you ;D
Hi jhastings,
The parents of Jonathon Hasting, John Hastings and Mary Mitchell are as far as I go currently.
Mary Mitchell's page is a blank at the moment, no clues/leads at all.
I believe I have a good candidate for John Hastings father of Jonathon from the IGI batch # P008651, John Hastings son of William & Mary. baptised 6 Aug 1758 at Cookham, Berkshire.
I need to check this John out in the burials for Cookham before I can accept him as the John I'm now looking for, have to make sure he didn't die in Cookham, at least before 1780.
Also I need to check Cookham marriage registers to make sure that this John was free to marry Mary Mitchell in Lt Marlow.
Last year what with researching June's ancestors and mine I've blown my genealogy budget for a while but eventually I hope to obtain some fiche or CDs for Cookham. I can't ask anyone to check the Cookham burials because it is such a long winded and onerous task.
There is also a William Hastings baptised 1727 in Hagbourne, Berkshire (from the IGI) who could possibly be John's father but there's a way to go before I follow that up ;D
June's line descends from Thomas Hastings born 1828 & baptised 1845 at Hillingdon, the brother of Emanuel baptised 1820.
I will send you my email address by PM.
I have noted your email address and suggest you remove it via the Modify facility before too many spammers glean it.
Regards.
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Mary Mitchell's page is a blank at the moment, no clues/leads at all.
From Little Marlow Parish Registers:
24 Nov 1771 Robert (X) MITCHELL
Mary (X) CLARKE, both of this parish
married by banns called 13, 20, 27 October 1771
Witnessed by: William MITCHELL, John (X) CLARK
24 Mar 1773 Robert MITCHELL buried
8 Aug 1773 Lydia dau of Robert and Mary MITCHELL baptised
22 Oct 1798 Charles (X) CROUDY of this parish, bachelor
Lydia (X) MITCHELL of this parish, a spinster
married by banns
Witnessed by: Samuel ADAMS, Wm CLARK
So it looks like Mary MITCHELL was formerly Mary CLARK
I did not have time to search the burials although I know there are some
From a transcript of the Little Marlow Parish Registers held at the Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies in Aylesbury:
BURIALS
11 Mar 1768 Mary HASTINGS, widow
22 Oct 1789 John HASTINGS, an infant, a pauper
9 Jul 1791 William HASTINGS
18 Jul 1791 John HASTINGS
15 Nov 1796 Mary HASTINGS
1 Feb 1798 Ann HASTINGS, a child
18 Jun 1811 John Thomas HASTINGS, an infant
26 Dec 1812 William HASTINGS, an infant
BURIALS (Original register Ref: PR141/1/15)
17 Dec 1818 Mary, wife of John HASTINGS of Well End, aged 70 years
7 Feb 1836 John HASTINGS of Workhouse, aged 79 years
So Mary CLARK has an approximate year of birth of 1748 and John HASTINGS an approximate year of birth of 1757. Looks like he could be the one from Cookham, especially as a widow Mary HASTINGS was buried at Little Marlow in 1768 who just might be his mother!
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Hi Orpheus.
Many thanks for that info, you've come up trumps yet again ;D
I'll print it out and take it in later today, I'm off shortly to watch my grandsons play Football (Soccer), shouldn't really be sitting here on the computer.
I agree with your comments regarding Mary Clarke/Mitchell, wish I didn't, at one stage I thought I had a Mary Clark in my Essex line, after a couple of frustrating years following her from Essex to Suffolk, I found I was following a false lead. It was annoying to have spent all that time for nothing but boy was I glad to ditch the Clark name, Mary Clarks were ten for a penny in Essex.
Regards and thanks.
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Thomas G. Hastings is my line as well. I just wanted to thank everyone for the great info in this thread. I am a new member (because of this thread!) and am not sure how old it is. Did anyone pursue the information about William and Mary in Berkshire in the mid 1700's? Or did that become a dead end?
June's line descends from Thomas Hastings born 1828 & baptised 1845 at Hillingdon, the brother of Emanuel baptised 1820.
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Hi Doug,
Regarding the following from my post dated 26 May 2011:-
"I believe I have a good candidate for John Hastings father of Jonathon from the IGI batch # P008651, John Hastings son of William & Mary. baptised 6 Aug 1758 at Cookham, Berkshire.
I need to check this John out in the burials for Cookham before I can accept him as the John I'm now looking for, have to make sure he didn't die in Cookham, at least before 1780.
Also I need to check Cookham marriage registers to make sure that this John was free to marry Mary Mitchell in Lt Marlow."
Due to various reasons I had to give up my Hastings research for a while, then in December 2016 I was diagnosed with cancer in my gum.
On the 18 Jan 2017 I was admitted to hospital where the cancer was removed and fortunately they got all the cancer but I was under anesthetic for 13 hours.
I came out of the operation with what we now know was the start of Renal failure and sciatica pain all down my right leg.
On the 3rd of Feb 2017 I was admitted to emergency with Acute Renal Failure, my Kidneys down to 15% working and sleep deprivation, a catheter soon got my Kidneys up and running.
In April 2017 I had 30 Radiation Therapy treatments as a precautionary measure.
Then in July 2017 I had green light laser treatment on my Prostrates, as they termed it "shaving them" which got rid of the Catheter.
I lost 12 kilograms in weight which I could ill afford to lose, so I lost interest in computers plus with all the problems also lost interest in genealogy.
Anyway now that I'm recovering well my interest in computers and genealogy has returned although it will be a while I think before I'm ready to look into those thing I mentioned in my 26 May 2011 post but I wouldn't call William and Mary Hastings a dead end, at least not yet. ;D
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Oh my God! You have been through a lot! I am glad to hear that you are improving!
I started tracing the Hastings side of my family a few years ago - usually just for a couple of weeks each winter. I had been at a dead end with Jonathan and Elizabeth for for quite a while and I was uncertain of Elizabeth's real maiden name. Many people seem to have someone different pencilled in there. So, I was really glad to find this thread :)
Funny, I was just going through some of my old papers from when I first started and I see I had a few Hastings from Berkshire (including John from Hagbourne) in the discard pile. I now need to start searching that route again.
My "Hasting"ancestor is Thomas G. (George I believe) Hastings' son Henry William Hastings. Which one is your wife's?
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Hi,
June's mother's maiden name was Lettie Hastings and she was born 1911 at Canning Town Essex.
June's Hastings grandparents are Alfred Hastings (1870) and Letty (aka Lettie) Turner (1869).
June's gt grandparents are Thomas Hastings (brn abt 1828 & bap 1845) and Caroline Hannah Hill 1830).
June's gt gt grandparents are John Hastings (1790) and Elizabeth Ing (s) (1780)
June's 3xgt grandparents are John and Mary Hastings.
It is my belief John, husband of Mary above, is the son of William Hastings and Mary Overshott and was baptised 1758 in Cookham Berkshire but of course this is the link that needs proving as I have posted earlier.
Hope this answers your questions, if you want more info let me know.
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Ah! I have Alfred James Hastings and Lettie with 9 kids but don't have their marriage date.
Today I came across John Hastings of East Hagborne who married Mary Keats of Harwell December 25, 1725. That makes them possible parents of William Hastings b. 1727 in Hagborne who you have married to Mary Overshott. With they being the parents of John Hasting who married Mary Mitchell in 1780 - Maybe we have something here!
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For those following this thread I found an interesting story about Jonathan and Elizabeth Hastings which includes daughters Emma and Sarah.
At the time it was common for working class people to pawn their Sunday best clothes at the beginning of the week and to retrieve them at the end of the week on payday. This practice led to a robbery in June 1842 and court case involving our family. From the Old Bailey online at
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=t18420613-1814
JOHN TYRRELL and LOUISA MORRISS were indicted for stealing, on the 19th of May, 1 purse, value 3d., and 1 handkerchief, value 8d.; the goods of Jonathan Hastings: and 1 half-crown, the monies of Emma Hastings, from the person of Sarah Hastings; and that Tyrrell had been before convicted of felony.
SARAH HASTINGS . I am eleven years old. On Thursday morning, the 12th of May, my mother gave me a half-crown in a purse, to go to the pawnbroker's to get something out—as I went the prisoners and a little boy overtook me—the little boy took the handkerchief from me, which contained the purse and money, and gave it to Morriss—Tyrrell was with her—the boy ran away—the prisoners kept together—I ran and told my mother, and got a policeman—the boy was close to the prisoners when he took the money—there was a duplicate in the handkerchief.
Cross-examined by MR. PAYNE. Q. Did you call after the boy to bring back the bundle? A. Yes—I am quite sure the prisoners and the boy were all together—the boy said, "What have you got there?"—I told him I had nothing, and he took it out of my hand.
ELIZABETH HASTINGS . I am the wife of Jonathan Hastings, and the mother of Sarah Hastings. I gave her the duplicate and half-crown to go and get this gown out of pawn—this handkerchief is my husband's, and the half-crown was my daughter Emma's, who is in service.
EMMA HASTINGS . I am the daughter of Elizabeth Hastings. I pawned this gown at Uxbridge—I sent the duplicate and half-crown to my mother to get it out.
RICHARD DAVIS . I am a pawnbroker. Tyrrell came to me, and redeemed this gown with the duplicate on the 19th of May.
JOHN SCOTNEY (police-constable T 180.) I went after the prisoners, and met them near Uxbridge—I asked if they had come along Cowley-road that morning—they both said they had not—I took them, and found the purse in Tyrrell's pocket, and this handkerchief on Morriss, and the gown and shawl, which had been redeemed.
Tyrrell's Defence. There was no one to be seen when Morriss picked up the half-crown and duplicate.
WILLIAM GRIFFIN , (police-constable T 177.) I produce a certificate of Tyrrell's former conviction, which I got from Mr. Clark's office—(read)—he is the person.
TYRRELL— GUILTY . Aged 25.— Transported for Ten Years. MORRISS— GUILTY . Aged 20.— Confined One Year.
Just a FYI In case you are not aware, to be “transported for ten years” meant to be shipped off to Australia for a decade.
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Alfred James Hastings married Letty Turner 15 May 1893 at St Johns church Stratford Essex.
Letty was spelled Lettie in the marriage certificate.
Btw I have 10 children for the above parents so if you list the nine you have I'll supply the tenth.
Regards.
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Thanks, I found the 10th :)
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As you know the eldest child was Ethel Caroline Hastings born 20 Jan 1894 at Woolwich Kent, the birth date I obtained from her baptism entry which was 22 Apr 1894 at St Mary Magdalene Woolwich, the place of birth I obtained from Lettie Hastings June's mother, someone else in the Hastings family thought the place Ethel was born was Islington.
Ethel became Lord Mayor of Woolwich and her daughter acted as Lady Mayoress, from what I understand Ethel's husband, William (Billy) Brooks, was Lord Mayor of Woolwich before Ethel.
I have dates of birth for only two of the the children , the first and the last, Ethel and Lettie, Ethel is the only one of the children I have a baptism date and place for. As you probably know the births of the middle eight children were registered in the West Ham Registry District Essex, Lettie said all eight were born in Silvertown, Essex.
If you don't mind sharing I would like the marriage date and place for your ancestor Henry Hastings and the bride's maiden name, that would fill another gap.
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Henry William Hastings married Caroline Watson Lightman ( b. July 1853
St Marylebone, Middlesex ) in the first quarter of 1873 at Bethnal Green, Middlesex. I do not have an exact date.
That is very interesting regarding the Lord Mayor of Woolwich. Thank you for sharing that.
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Thanks Doug.
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Re Thomas Hastings & his wife Caroline Hannah Hill.
In the trees of some people a son Emmanuel born 1872 is shown as being born in Plaistow.
The 1881 Census shows Emmanuel Hastings aged 7 (therefore born c1874) living with two brothers, Joseph Hasting (Head) aged 18 and Alfred aged 9 in West Ham Essex. Emmanuel and Alfred were noted as brothers of Joseph, all three were stated to be born in St Luke's, Middlesex.
On the Free Reg site there is an Emanuel Hastings birth registered in the March quarter of 1872 in the West Ham Essex Registry District, vol 4a Page 74.
Having already spent a mint of money for various B M & D certs on my wife's line, coupled with the fact that Emmanuel is not June's ancestor, I decided against getting a birth cert for Emmanuel.
Just wondering if you obtained a birth cert for Emmanuel which would determine where he was actually born?
BTW during one of our many trips back to the UK my wife and I paid a visit to Ethel and whilst there Ethel showed us a beautiful and colourful Illuminated Scroll she received when she retired as Lord Mayor, I darn near drooled when I saw it. ;D
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I do not have a birth certificate for Emmanuel. I had recorded him as born 1872 in Plaistow as per the 1901 census. The GRO has him born in West Ham 1872 with "Hill" as the mother so it is the right Emmanuel.
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Just one point, St Luke is probably not the St Luke Church in Chelsea but the St, Luke's Parish in Islington. It shows up repeatedly in Hastings records.
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Just one point, St Luke is probably not the St Luke Church in Chelsea but the St, Luke's Parish in Islington. It shows up repeatedly in Hastings records.
Thanks for that Doug seems more like it. :)
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Glad this topic was resurrected, it prompted me to try again to find the Hill grandparents of Caroline Hannah Hill. This time I believe I might have found them, a Daniel and Sarah Hill who had five children baptised 1783 to 1791 in Beddington Surrey, one of them a Daniel Hill born 1788 who might be the father of Caroline.
Unfortunately it wont be an easy task to link these possible grandparent, Daniel and Sarah Hill to Caroline's parents Daniel Hill and his wife Charlotte Louisa Russell because of the five children the possible grandparents, Daniel and Sarah, baptised, only the one named, as you would expect, Daniel, matches any names used by Daniel and Charlotte Hill. Although Caroline's parents Daniel and Charlotte did name a daughter Sear, not sure if that is a variant of Sarah.
When Caroline's parents, Daniel Hill and Charlotte Russell, married at St George Hanover Square, Daniel was stated as being of Wandsworth, Wandsworth looks to be around 8 miles from Beddington Surrey.
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Do we know for sure that Charlotte was a "Russell"? Could it be "Webb"? and that Caroline Hannah Hill's grandmother was named "Sarah"? I had not bothered with finding Caroline's parents up to now and a quick search turned up a few candidates.
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Perhaps it would be better to continue the conversation about Caroline's family in your other thread about Caroline to keep all the info together for future searchers.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=446639.0
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We should be correct in assuming the parents of John Hastings b.1758 were William and Mary whose death was recorded in the Little Marlow Parish Register in 1791 and 1796 (from the information earlier in this thread). They may or may not be from Cookham originally but by the process of elimination they most likely are.
As you pointed out, just going by the process of elimination, the best candidate for his grandfather is William Hastings baptized 1727 in Hagbourne - Father William, Mother Elizabeth.
There is one more candidate in William Hastings baptized 1728 in Hagbourne - Father John, Mother Mary.
This John and Mary had at least 8 children in Hagbourne between 1727 and 1739.
William and Elizabeth Hastings may be far more interesting as they had just 2 born in Hagbourne. William Hastings b. 1726 and William Hastings b. 1727. The one born in 1726 likely died. Then they disappear but a couple of years later a William and Francis Hastings appear in Cookham and have at least 3 children between 1731 and 1736.
Possible scenario where William's first wife Elizabeth passes away after the birth of William b. 1727. He then meets and marries Frances in Cookham bring along his son William b. 1727 which gives a nice explanation as to how William came to live in Cookham and marry Mary and have a son - our John b. 1758.
Sounds good but how to prove lol.
I believe I have a good candidate for John Hastings father of Jonathon from the IGI batch # P008651, John Hastings son of William & Mary. baptised 6 Aug 1758 at Cookham, Berkshire.
I need to check this John out in the burials for Cookham before I can accept him as the John I'm now looking for, have to make sure he didn't die in Cookham, at least before 1780.
Also I need to check Cookham marriage registers to make sure that this John was free to marry Mary Mitchell in Lt Marlow.
There is also a William Hastings baptised 1727 in Hagbourne, Berkshire (from the IGI) who could possibly be John's father but there's a way to go before I follow that up ;D
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Perhaps it would be better to continue the conversation about Caroline's family in your other thread about Caroline to keep all the info together for future searchers.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=446639.0
Good idea Doug, to be honest that "Drayton" topic of mine had slipped my mind, presumably because I'd put wife's line for a short time on the back burner whilst I pursued one of my lines, then came early 2007 with it's problems.
I'll copy your latest post on this topic and paste it onto the Draton topic and answer it there.