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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Wayne62 on Wednesday 20 October 10 04:10 BST (UK)
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I would appreciate further information on the following County Antrim families:
1 - James Douglass (born abt 1798) married Isabella Clark (born abt 1802) on 8 Nov 1823 in Culleybackey (from IGI)
2 - Son, Moses Douglas(s) (born abt 1825) married Mary McEwen (McKeown?) (born abt 1829) in 1851 in Kilconriola
3 - Philip McEwen (McKeown?) married Catherine McEwen likely in the Ballymena area
4 - Francis McKee (born abt 1832) married Margaret McMillan (born about 1832) in about 1858
Looking forward to hearing from others on these families.
Thanks, Wayne62
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Welcome to Rootschat. All the people you are searching for were born well before the start of civil registration in Ireland and early church records may not exist.
Starting with the 1st names on the list-
1 - James Douglass (born abt 1798) married Isabella Clark (born abt 1802) on 8 Nov 1823 in Culleybackey (from IGI)
The 1823 marriage is a submitted record whih may not be accurate or may be based on a reliable source such as a church record or family Bible. Their birthdates are probably not correct as this entry follows the usual LDS formula for assuming bride is 4 years younger than spouse and she was 21 years old at the time of the marriage.
Your next step would probably be to see if the church records for the family survive- any idea what religion? Cunningham Memorial Presbyterian Church (Cullybackey) records are quite good- baptisms from 1812 and marriages from 1818- they are on microfilm at PRONI (closed until April 2011 but church records avaiable at Cregagh Library) and Coleraine Library- see here:
www.presbyterianireland.org/about/records.html#c
If they weren't Presbyterian you can check for other denominations in this section of ANTRIM RESOURCES.
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Thank you for providing information on additional sources. I agree that checking church records would be a good next step. However, travelling from western Canada to Ireland will take a little time to plan! I'll get there eventually, certainly after PRONI opens again.
I did some further searching online (using a new IGI FamilySearch product that is being tested) and found alternate birth dates for family #1! The 1798 birthdate was shown as 1791 and the 1802 shown as 1795. Probably a little more believable, but doesn't do much for my confidence in the years. I don't know the religions of the 4 families although I suspect they were protestant as per future generations.
Thanks again.
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Hello
Curious if you found out anything more regards your Moses Douglas?
Moses Douglas is a name used in my line, from Lurgan area, Armagh. First on record is Moses Douglass born about 1740 (ish). He married Catherine Marsden of Kinnego. Named a son Moses Douglas and had at least two grandson's named Moses. Your Moses is not one of them, but curious if you can trace your James (father of Moses?) furthur back?
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Hi,
Wayne 62 has not been on this site in almost two years but hopefully he will see these.
On 28 Jul 1851 Moses Douglas married Mary O'NEILL in Ballymena Registrars Office in the parish of Kirkinriola. Fathers' names were James Douglas and Felix O'Neill.
Regards
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Sorry to say I have nothing new with the Douglases in the past two years! I was never able to find any further records of McKee or Douglas in Northern Ireland. I just keep drawing a blank. Maybe I have to plan a trip...
Regards, Wayne62
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Thanks for getting back to me Wayne.
Not sure if there is a link between our families , but will keep your James in mind as we keep researching Lurgan. Armagh.
Did you see Kinkerswell's post? He found Moses marriage was to O'Niel, perhaps that will help?
All the best
Jenni
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Hello Wayne
This might be helpful (Ballymena is in Antrim)
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Scotch-Irish/2004-09/1095325897
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Hi
In case you haven't found Moses and Mary's marriage it is here:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGC7-QNK
Name: Moses Douglas
Birth Date: 1826
Birthplace:
Age: 25
Spouse's Name: Mary O'Neil
Spouse's Birth Date: 1829
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 22
Event Date: 28 Jul 1851
Event Place: Ballymena, Antrim, Ireland
Father's Name: James Douglas
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Felix Mc Keown
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M70204-2
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
GS Film number: 101323
Reference ID: p176 ln25
Citing this Record:
"Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGC7-QNK : accessed 14 February 2016), Moses Douglas and Mary O'Neil, 28 Jul 1851; citing Ballymena, Antrim, Ireland, reference p176 ln25; FHL microfilm 101,323.
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Hi Wayne62
I don't know whether you are still out there, but I have some Belfast, Antrim McMillans that I haven't been able to trace.
Robert McMillan b1818 Belfast. He married Jane/Janet Hamilton b1819 Belfast about1838 in Belfast. They had a daughter Martha b1839 Belfast. By 1841 the family were in Partick, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
I'm wondering if your Margaret McMillan could be related to my Robert?
Joan
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Hello Wayne
This is Jenni again. ... Since last I connected with you we have found all the birth records for my Moses Douglas born circa 1740. His eldest son was James Douglas baptized 1769 at Shankill Parish Church, Lurgan Armagh. James married Mary Bradshaw December 1792 and appears to have lived in Drumnakelly, Seagoe a townland next door to Moses Douglas (who was in Kinnego).
Antrim and Armagh are seperated by Lough Neigh and I have seen my family travel and marry as far away as Londonderry and Wexford. So travel is not out of the question ...
You will see that the marriage date of my Mary and James are within the ball park of them possibly being the parents of your James. It would explain why your James has a son named Moses (using Irish Scot naming patterns).
We may never find the paper documentation that we need to prove a connection (if this is in deed a correct assumption that I am making), but it is worth a try if there is ever the opportunity to do so. Another option would be DNA test to see if there is a match with my Dad. Best option for that would be a surviving male Douglas from your line, but familyfinder may be successful.
To date, all the other Moses Douglas's that I have found in Ireland are related to my family (except for one I haven't been able to verify so far), so ... who knows.
Jenni
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Evening All
I am jumping in as I can see people asking about the James and Isabella Douglass. My 4 x great grandparents. ( probably lots of others lol 😂 )
I have found they had a son Clark Douglas who married Nancy Wallace ( if I’ve got it correct ) in 1858 Craig’s Ballymena.
I just cannot find his death can anyone advise please 🙏
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I have found they had a son Clark Douglas who married Nancy Wallace ( if I’ve got it correct ) in 1858 Craig’s Ballymena.
Yes, you have it correct!
Marriage on 16 February 1858 at Craigs Parish Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1858/09542/5459407.pdf
Both Clark and Nancy living in Cullybackey (townland).
Clark a weaver like his father James (Jas) and Nancy's father Thomas.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-lower/craigs/galgorm/cullybackey/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4184478#map=13/54.8770/-6.2993
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Oh brilliant !
With the information I have the family moved to Scotland !
But can not find Clark Douglas death.?
Looks like James Douglas and Isabella Clark had a couple more children
Jame Douglas who married Mary Jane Worthington in Ballymena 1845
Ellen Douglas married William Kelly in 1853 Ballymena
On this wedding certificate it states Walker Douglass as a witness just can not work out how they are connected ?
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Marriage for a Walker Douglas here- gives father as James Douglas-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1852/09422/5413195.pdf
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Ok interesting, so could possibly be the same father only problem is the father jobs are different. On the marriage certificate? I’ll do some more digging
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Occupations can change but since it is the bride and groom that give the details of their father there can be some variations listed for occupation.
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I found this post today and am curious about your McKee.
The McKee you have listed I have found this option: Francis McKee b 1828 M Margaret Mullen 15 May 1868 Benburg, Tyrone.
Francis' father is listed as Thomas.
I have McKee's on both sides of my family from around this area so, if you need any other suggestions let me know.