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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: fordofcrows on Tuesday 19 October 10 19:30 BST (UK)
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Hello all,
Yes, it's me again with another puzzle. Please be assured though that I try and exhaust all other options before taking up your good time. Here's the problem:-
Two ancestors who claim to be from a part of Lincolnshire which it turns out that seemingly, they aren't.
William Growcock b. about 1800 in Threekingham (in one census he says he was born in Stow).
William married Lavina Jellis in 1834 in Boston. They can be found on all census forms living in Boston.
Lavina Jellis b. about 1811 and she says she's from Skirbeck, Lincolnshire.
I want to know who their parents where in order to travel further back.
I have trawled through the IGI Skirbeck birth/baptism entries and found nothing of note. I tried as many spelling variants as I can think of - Gellis, Jelous, etc. - similarly with Grocock, Growcock etc.
Also, Lavina Growcock is missing from the 1891 census. She died in 1898. William died in 1882.
Thanks for any help or advice.
David
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William Growcock b. about 1800
Lavina Jellis b. about 1811
If they married in 1843 - a copy of their marriage cert will give their respective fathers names
They were both "getting on a bit" when they married (43 and 32) so the cert wll tell you whether either was married previously
If Lavina was previously married - her fathers surname will be her birth surname
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Oops! Typo, Carole. They were married in 1834. I have corrected my post.
Thanks for the quick reply.
David
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Is this the entry you are referring to from the IGI
LEVINA JELLIS Spouse: WILLIAM GROCOCK Marriage: 27 JUL 1834 Boston, Lincoln
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Yes, Carole - that's the one.
I suspect that they both remembered the place where they grew up rather than the places they were born. I can't think of any reason why they would fib about it, can you? Trouble is, where does one go from there?
David
PS: Notice how the name is spelt differently. There is much variance in the spelling of both names.
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I suspect this was your man (note the name of the parish) http://tinyurl.com/3x8yk4l
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Blimey Geoff! How on earth did you find that one? `Drawcock' - that's a spelling variant I never thought of.
Many many thanks once again! That's the Growcock one sorted I think. Any ideas about the Jellis puzzle?
David
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Hi re the missing Lavina on 1891, if she had a sister Charlotte who married a Fox then:-
LAVINNIA Grocock Widow b 1814 Bolingbroke Lincs
Living with her sister ( but shown as Daughter! ) Charlotte Fox b 1812 and Daughter Charlotte b 1845 both Charlotte's state born Skirbeck Lincs
Residing at 7, Irby Street Boston
Census Ref RG12/2575//9/11
Keyboard86
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Keyboard86 - well done and thank you. I spent an entire day searching for widow Grocock to no avail. I doubt I would have found this.
You have given me one of her siblings too - which will narrow down the likely parents.
I consider myself quite adept in genealogy - until I come to this forum and consult the experts, and then I see how it's really done!
Many thanks and best wishes,
David
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I wondered if this was a brother ... http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=5246456 ... but there were other SELLERSs
and then there's http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=5246466
I believe the FOX wedding was
1836 Skirbeck
Henry FOX to Charlotte LANCASTER
See 1851 HO107/2099/293/33
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Hello Geoff - `Lancaster'? Oh - that puts a damper on Charlotte being Lavina's sister. Still, it's definitely Lavina Growcock though.
I too found the `Sabina Gellis`entry but dismissed it because of the big difference in the name. When I consider just how phonetics can play a part in these mixups though, I shall take another look, thanks again.
David
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Sorry not to give full details as I am in a rush BUT ...
Not sure if this fits with the Drawcock Threekingham cum Stowe Green lot or not !
1851 census HO 107/2101 f 335 p1
Robert Grocock aged 49 b Stowe unm Ag Lab working for a George Thorpe In Threekingham
Gives his birthplace as Threekingham in 1861 and in 1871 is blind annuitant living with his sister (1881 gives sis-in-law) Jane born 1816/7 Bardney and some of her family.
Going back to 1861 Jane is the wife of Thomas Grocock, a tailor, born 1798/9 Swarby - and the visitor in the entry, another Robert, born Threekingham 1841/2, also a tailor, is actually Thomas and Jane's son.
Relatives of your William??
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Hello Mjames. Thank you for taking time to look into my family history conundrom. I am busy this weekend so won't be able to check it out in full detail, until later, but I will let you know of course. I can tell you though that I think you are definitely onto something with this because there is a poor fellow who was blind from a young age from smallpox, in my line.
Thanks again.
Best wishes,
David
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Yes, Robert appears to be William's brother. Using FreeReg, I found both of their baptisms (as well as a John) in Threekingham cum Stowe Green and they are both to the parents, Thomas and Ann.
William DRAWCOCK [Grocock] baptised 1798
John DRAWCOCK [Grocock] baptised 1800
Robert DRAWCOCK [Grocock] baptised 1802
I'm struggling to find any record of a marriage of Thomas & Ann though.
Mind you, I did find a Thomas and Ann Grocock marriage - in about 1793 Claybrook, Leicester, but it's too tenuous a link to have any confidence that it's them.
David