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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Becky84 on Sunday 17 October 10 18:24 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Could some one look for 1909-1909 births for all the alice ellis' (my great grandma) born in that time in sheffield a& eccelsall please?. Id love to be able to go back furthur with this side of my tree but i need to find her birth first.
Ive checked on free bmd but im wondering if there are more births (on Genes Reunited/ancestry etc as i dont have a full membership) than the ones listed incase im missing any to check.
On free bmd they have:
alice isabel ellis march 1908 eccelsall
alice ellis june 1908 eccelsall (i think i have the cert for this one also)
alice irene ellis sept 1908 eccelsall
alice ellis march 1909 (ive ruled this one out as i bought the cert)
thanks
Becky
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There's an Alice Ellis at Sheffield in March 1909.
Ref. no. 9c 552
If you have her married name and when she died, it might be possible to pinpoint her birth registration more accurately.
Regards,
Doreen
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Thanks I had the date you found, forgot to put sheffield next to it.
I have her marriage cert and her age works out to be around 1908-1909 depending on when her birthday was.
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Does Alice have a middle name on the marriage cert? What is her father's name/occupation? With that, it ought to be possible to find the family on the 1911 census and maybe earlier. (We're not allowed to do 1911 lookups because of copyright issues, but you can search the index for free or buy credits at http://fmpbsol.1911census.co.uk/ )
Rambler
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Had a quick look at some of your earlier posts to see if there was any other information.
You have the 1911 census which gives her age as 3. If this was correct, then she could have been born between April 1907 and April 1908.
She married in 1925. Was this at Hull to a Christopher Cunnungham? What was the date of the marriage and how old did Alice say she was?
Also you gave her birthday as 14 January.
Alice Cunningham died Jan 1996 at Hull, birth 14 Jan, age 88
Was her birthday just before she died?
Regards,
Doreen
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She isnt listed as having a middle name on the marriage cert.
Yeah i think it was before her birthday. Yeah they were married in hull, Ive just dug out their marriage cert and it says she was married 05/09/1925 and she was 17years old. Her father was called albert edward ellis and he was a general labourer.
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Hi Becky,
All things considered;
Her birthday was 14 January
She was 17 on 5 Sept. 1925
she was 3 years old on the 1911 census
I think her birth registration would be the March quarter of 1908
I would contact Sheffield register office for a birth certificate. You don't need a reference number, and you have her father's name.
Regards,
Doreen
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I didnt know you could do that, thanks so much ill give that a go :).
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Oh yes.
And a bit cheaper too. A much more personalised service.
If you specifically request, the copy will be a photocopy of the original handwriting and not one copied out by an employee!
Regards,
Doreen
p.s. Don't dismiss Alice having another christian name. Some people just dropped a name they didn't like!
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Hi,
Could some one look for 1909-1909 births for all the alice ellis' (my great grandma) born in that time in sheffield a& eccelsall please?. Id love to be able to go back furthur with this side of my tree but i need to find her birth first.
Ive checked on free bmd but im wondering if there are more births (on Genes Reunited/ancestry etc as i dont have a full membership) than the ones listed incase im missing any to check.
On free bmd they have:
alice isabel ellis march 1908 eccelsall
alice ellis june 1908 eccelsall (i think i have the cert for this one also)
alice irene ellis sept 1908 eccelsall
alice ellis march 1909 (ive ruled this one out as i bought the cert)
thanks
Becky
Hi Becky
Try contacting Sheffield & Hull libraries and ask their advice. Newspapers may have an article on the wedding with people who attended it. Also Sheffield may have electoral registers of the fathers address and birth entries. Then contact Sheffield Register office with all your known facts to see if they can identify the right birth.
If you can find the right mothers maiden name Dewstow or Scales from the 1901 or 1911c being Albert Edwards wife's first name.
Then you have the mother miaden name
Marriages Dec 1897
Dewstow Bertha Sheffield 9c 947
Ellis Albert Edward Sheffield 9c 947
Foster Robert John Sheffield 9c 947
Scales Annie Sheffield 9c 947
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Thanks. This is the family i was thinking was actually thinking was Alice ellis' though on the 1911 census (as my mum said she remembers alice had a sister and she thinks she was called mable)
ELLIS, ALBERT ED HEAD MARRIED 14 M 36 CARTER SHEFFIELD
ELLIS, SARAH ANN WIFE MARRIED 14 F 33 PICKERING YORKSHIRE
ELLIS, SUSANNAH DAUGHTER SINGLE F 11 SCHOOL SHEFFIELD
ELLIS, VIOLET DAUGHTER SINGLE F 7 SCHOOL SHEFFIELD
ELLIS, ALICE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 3 SHEFFIELD
ELLIS, MABLE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 4 MONTHS SHEFFIELD
Becky
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Thanks. This is the family i was thinking was actually thinking was Alice ellis' though on the 1911 census (as my mum said she remembers alice had a sister and she thinks she was called mable)
ELLIS, ALBERT ED HEAD MARRIED 14 M 36 CARTER SHEFFIELD
ELLIS, SARAH ANN WIFE MARRIED 14 F 33 PICKERING YORKSHIRE
ELLIS, SUSANNAH DAUGHTER SINGLE F 11 SCHOOL SHEFFIELD
ELLIS, VIOLET DAUGHTER SINGLE F 7 SCHOOL SHEFFIELD
ELLIS, ALICE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 3 SHEFFIELD
ELLIS, MABLE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 4 MONTHS SHEFFIELD
Becky
Hi Beckey
Then the 1897 marriage is ruled out in Sheffield
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Speculation only
Hull and Pickering
This is what I have found in UK BMDs and Freebmds
1911c says Sarah Ann wife of Albert Ed Ellis was born in Pickering that is near Hull (ish)
From UK BMDs
ELLIS Albert DOBSON Sarah A 1896 St James (Hull) Yorkshire Hull SJH/8/269
(below are same marriage or 2 seperate marriages ?)
from Free BMDs
Marriages Jun 1896
DOBSON Sarah Ann Hull 9d 414
Ellis Albert Hull 9d 414
Marriages Jun 1896
DONSON Sarah Sheffield 9c 865
Ellis Albert Sheffield 9c 865
Aice Ellis b 1908 Mother Sarah Ann Dobson or Donson ?? from born Pickering!
Puzzler
Births Jun 1879 Dobson Sarah Ann Hull 9d 243
Enough too ask Sheffield reg office if they have a Alice Ellis born 1907 to 1909 born with a mother Sarah Ann Dobson
Dobby