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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Kiwihunter on Saturday 16 October 10 22:49 BST (UK)
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Good people of Lancashire, I am a lowly ag lab from New Zealand who has an ancestor who came from your area.
He was:
Wilfred Holland, b September 1847 in Preston, Lancashire.
In 1872 he married
Elizabeth Foy who was born circa 1848
they had children
David Francis Holland b 1875, Preston, Lanc
James Holland b 1879 in England? OR on the ship to NZ
then the family migrated to New Zealand on the "Lady Jocelyn" arriving December 1879
I am now looking for the parents and other relatives of Wilfred Holland and/or Elizabeth Foy. Any leads appreciated thank you.
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this looks like wilfred
1871
15 Priory St Preston Lancs
Catherine Holland head Widow 45 Cotton Weaver Preston Lancs
Wilfrid son U 23 carter Preston
Mary daughter U 19 Cotton Weaver Preston
Sarah A Fellows Lodger U24 cotton weaver Staley bridge Lancs
Ellen Holland Lodger U 34 cotton Weaver Walton Le Dale Lancs
RG10 4207 32 20
Suz
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this is a good census for family members!
1861
15 Wellfield Rd Preston lancs
Edwd Wilson Head M 61 joiner Bretherton Lancs
Mary wife 61 former Cotton Weaver Winchester hants
Gilbert son U 26 Warehouseman cotton Mill Preston lancs
Emanuel son U 21 clogger cotton Mill Preston
Catherine Holland daughter widow 35 Cotton Weaver cotton mill Preston
Wilfred Holland grandson 13 Cotton Weaver Cotton mill Preston
Mary Holland granddaughter 9 scholar preston
RG9 3132 40 9
Suz
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YES! awesome thanks Suz that has to be them surely.... surely....
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hang on, ummmm, Catherine Holland is a widow right? so her dad is edward WILSON right?
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1851
Lodge St Preston
John Woodruffe head M 37 Dresser Cotton Walton le Dale
Ann wife 43
Ann daughter 9
Agnes daughter 7
Mary daughter 5
David Holland Lodger M 23 Power Loom Weaver Cotton Chorley lancs
Catherine Holland Lodger M 25 Preston Lancs
Wilfride Holland Lodger 3 prestonlancs
Woodruffe family all b Walton le Dale
HO107 2266 597 47
Luckily the name Wilfred is not too common -I can see no other "match"
Suz
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catherine in 1861 is daughter -married -NOT daughter in law -so she will be with her own parents
Suz
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Catherine Wilson married David Holland at Preston Register Office or at a Registrar attended Church (non conformist) in 1847.
There is a death of a David Holland aged 24 in 1852 registered Preston, This would tie in with the last child Mary being born 1851. Both Mary and Wilfrid have the mothers maiden name Wilson.
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Regards,
Mo
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marriage reg FreeBMD
Sept qtr 1847
Preston
on same page
Catherine Wilson
David Holland
21 440
Suz
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awesome! yes it is lucky about him being called wilfred, I didn't know that origionally or that he was from Preston and I was faced with 250 million possible Hollands....
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1841
North St Preston
Edward Wilson 40 Joiner yes
Mary 40 no
Pernetta? (female) 20 Power weaver cotton Yes
Edwd 15 loomer cotton yes
Catherine 15 Power weaver cotton tes
Alexander 13 carder power cotton yes
John 8 yes
Gilbert 6 yes
Richard 4 yes
Emmanuell 2 yes
HO197 499 8 10 pages 16-17
Suz
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Fantastic thank you Suz, okay so they are still lowly peasants at this stage of the tree but a couple more generations back they are heros and knights and adventurers of the best pedigree.... I hope :P
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looks like Catherine ended her days living with married daughter -and then widowed son in law!
1891
96 Old Lancaster lane Preston lancs
John Walmsley head M 35 Railway Engine Driver
Mary wife 39 Cotton Weaver
Catherine Holland Mother in law W 65 housekeeper
all b preston
RG12 3434 29 53
1901
53 Angelico Terrace Fleetwood St Preston
John Walmsley head widower 45 living on own means Preston
Catherine Holland mother in law widow 75 living on own means Preston
RG13 3962 46 19
Death reg FreeBMD
Catherine Holland
age 78
Dec qtr 1904
Preston
8e 426
Suz
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they look like very decent people to me =get back to a so called fine pedigree and they are plundering and pillaging -give me good honest working class family any day!!
Suz
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how very true.
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Could this be Elizabeth the year before they married?
Patrick Foy, 61, Cloth Hawker from Ireland
Anne his wife is 56
Children:
Michael 27, b Kirkham Lancashire, Cloth Hawker
Sarah 25, also born Kirkham
Sarah 22, Elizabeth 20, both born Poulton le Fylde (near Preston)
All 3 girls are Cotton Winders
Patrick 12, already a Linen Worker, was born in Preston
They live in Bedford Street, Preston
ps - there is another Elizabeth Foy in Preston, who was born about 1849, nearer your supposed age for her than the Elizabeth above.
The reason I wonder about the one above is because the b.1849 Elizabeth continues to appear in the census in 1881 and 1891 and from what you say yours had married Wilfred and headed to NZ?
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possibly? I was just off using that awesome lancashire bdm link and had her parents as James foy and Ann Rawcliffe ??
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good thinking though because yes she ought to dissapear as they sailed off to new zealand to pursue a life away from the cotton factories in 1879
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lol and it would be just my luck that her parents are Irish.... already have some headaches with irish ancestors....
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You could well be right (about James and Ann), I'm sure there's more than one possibility. To be certain you need to get a copy of the 1872 marriage certificate which should show the name of Elizabeth's father. I saw the James/Ann listing in the 1851 census, and it could be either. I suppose I tend to stick to 'what is known, then go one step back' method.
If Elizabeth was married in Preston in 1872 I thought there was a good chance she would have been living there the year before, which means the 1871 census. Although there are differing births around the 1848/50 period, I can only see two of them living in Preston in 1871. The other is a lodger age 32, which is why I suggested the Patrick/Ann family.
BUT... I was wrong! Just double checked the lodger who is transcribed as 32, I think it's not 32 but 22 when you look at it, and guess what?
Elizabeth the lodger is living next door to a family called Holland - Catherine, Wilfred, Mary etc etc! That really would be too much of a coincidence, so the Irish Cloth Hawkers now seem to go out of the window...
Unfortunately because Elizabeth is lodging (with a Widow called Jane Emmet, and her sons Joseph and Charles) it doesn't show any family. All it gives is age 22, Cotton Weaver, born Preston. Need to find her in 1861..
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2 x Elizabeth Foy living in Preston in 1861 and now we know she was born there and married there there's a very good chance she wouldn't have been anywhere else at the age of 12-13
The first is the one you found on BMD - parents James and Ann. what did you say about the Irish connection?
James 40, Tripe Dealer, born Ireland
Ann 40, born Hurst Green, Lancashire
Mary 17, Elizabeth 13, Alice 10, James 6.
The girls are all Cotton Weavers, and all 4 were born in Preston
The alternative Elizabeth Foys living in Preston:
One is 9, parents James and Mary Jane, but she was born in Bradford in Yorkshire which doesn't fit with the girl living next door to the Hollands in 1871
The other listing for Elizabeth Fay turns out to be the Patrick/Ann Cloth Hawking family.
All the other Lancashire Elizabeth Foys are around Manchester, so it looks as if your James and Ann BMD was the right one - plus, didn't she name her own son James?
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Yes, she did. You are onto the right ones me thinks as you have confirmed everything I was thinking at the time AND connected her with the Hollands by placing her as being "the girl next door"! Fairly safe to assume that this is them alright and James being a Tripe Dealer from Ireland, what can I say? I jinxed it DOH! Thanks Maggie.