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Title: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: Gary Howard on Saturday 16 October 10 21:06 BST (UK)
Hi, can anyone help me with my family the Howards in Halstead.

Edward Howard Born 29 Jul1841, died 1910 London

His father Edward Howard born 1800, died 1866.

I do have a good few other howards in my family tree, but does anyone have any more info on the howards in halstead.

cheers

gary
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: t mo on Saturday 16 October 10 21:42 BST (UK)
what exactly are you looking for??
trevor
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: Gary Howard on Saturday 16 October 10 21:44 BST (UK)
Any info anyone else can find for me, or any relatives that may still be in halstead.

gary
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: t mo on Saturday 16 October 10 21:52 BST (UK)
you are aware we can,t put up names of living people and to clarify you want to go back in time from these names
?
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: essexpoet on Wednesday 20 October 10 21:57 BST (UK)
Gary,

I have family links with John Howard c1818-1886 fishmonger married to Jane Norfolk and also to Robert Howard c1809 married to Mary Martin. Do they appear in your family tree.
There seem to several Howard families in Halstead
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: Gary Howard on Thursday 21 October 10 21:39 BST (UK)
Hi, i do not seem to have those names

 I am related to a Frederick T Howard Born 1898 Died 1972 (London) My dads dad.

His dad was Frederick W Howard Born Halstead 1865 died 1926
His dad was Edward Ernest Howard Born Halstead 1841 died 1910 in london, he was a Publican from 1881, in 1864 when he married emily beadle he was a waiter and lived in north street.
His dad was Edward howard Born 1800 died 1866, in 1864 he was classed as a weaver.

And is about all I have, I hope you can maybe help.

Speak soon

Gary
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: essexpoet on Thursday 21 October 10 22:53 BST (UK)
Hi Gary,

Yes your line is another Howard family in my tree.
I believe Fred  Jr (your grandad) had sisters Gladys and Grace.
Fred Sn married Ada Norris. Let me know if I am correct about these.
I have more information on the Beadle line. Emily's parents were John (c1819-1896) and Jane Beadle (nee Brunning)(c1820-1899) John was born in Halstead and was a shoemaker and Jane was born in Long Melford Suffolk. I have earlier information on the Beadle and Brunning families if you are interested.
Do you have any information about Edward Jr's mother as I cannot place an Edward Sn ?
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: Gary Howard on Thursday 21 October 10 22:56 BST (UK)
Hi,

Yes you are correct, how on eath did you find that info out, I am more interested in the howard side really, as I am a Howard.  I may be able to get some more info, i shall have a look at what i have, any more you can find out that would be great, where abouts are you.

Are you a howard, I take we are not related then.

Cheers

Gary
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: Gary Howard on Thursday 21 October 10 22:58 BST (UK)
It would be interesting to see your tree, my tree is on ancestry.

Thanks very much for you help on this.

Gary
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: essexpoet on Friday 22 October 10 07:43 BST (UK)
Hi,

I am pleased the information matched.
In reply to your questions I found the information mainly on line - census reports and the FreeBMD site.
I do also visit the ERO in Chelmsford
I am not a Howard .
I do not subscribe to ancestry but have an offline tree builder that tells me I am a fifth cousin of your granddad - I have to take the software's word for that as I could never have worked it out.   Emily Beadle's grandfather John Beadle was one of my 4xgreat grandfathers but I am from a different line from Emily. I live on the Essex/Suffolk border.
Let me know if I can help further although I do not have information on your line later than your grandfather and his sisters.
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: little_fagg on Saturday 07 December 13 11:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Essex poet,
I saw your post regarding john and Robert Howard. In my tree I have Robert b 1810 m Mary Ann Martin 1829 in Halstead and died in 1877. In my tree they have a swag of kids, Robert, Mary, Edward, Sarah, john,  Alfred, Eliza and Emily.
I also have john Howard  1840 halstead, married Jane scowling norfolk and died June 1886. I only have one son of there's, john Howard (jnr) born 1861. He is my connection to the family. If you have any further information could you please let me know.
Thanks for your time :)
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: essexpoet on Saturday 07 December 13 11:59 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Firstly welcome to Roots Chat. I will have to dig out my records but I believe John and Jane had quite a number of other children.
Will post again when I have found and rechecked my records.

Kind regards
Mike
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: little_fagg on Saturday 07 December 13 13:07 GMT (UK)
I also have been told that this side may have traveller roots but am unsure as I cant find anything.
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: essexpoet on Saturday 07 December 13 21:52 GMT (UK)
John Howard was christened at St Andrews Halstead -entry states 13/04/1819

Parents Israel Howard (a tanner) and Ann (nee Dyster)

John Howard married Jane Norfolk 30/05/1841 at St Andrews Halstead - Jane's
father was William a carpenter.

John and Jane had the following children christened at Holy Trinity Halstead (Holy Trinity was a new church at the lower part of Halstead - the old Church St Andrews was at the top of the hill) -

Sarah  02/02/1845

Israel 10/04/1846 - he married Sarah Ann Fincham in 1866

Louisa 10/04/1849

Frederick 22/04/1851 - later moved to West Ham

Charles 16/09/1853 - later moved to Leyton

Daniel 16/09.1853

Emily Ann 25/03/1856 - married George Jeggo in 1876 Emily died in 1933. George Jeggo was a brother to my great grandfather.

William 18/04/1862

Arthur 18/04/1862 - later moved to Canada

John 18/04/1862 - later moved to West Ham/Leyton

Although there were more than one christening on some dates I believe that this did not indicate twins or triplets - almost certainly batch christenings.

John Howard senior has various occupation descriptions including fishmonger, hawker and labourer.

Hope this is of help

Mike

Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: essexpoet on Sunday 08 December 13 17:11 GMT (UK)
I think my last post contains an error as the christening entry of John in 1819 gives his mother's name as Hannah. An Israel Howard married Hannah Dunt c1892 so these could be John's parents

Mike
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: little_fagg on Monday 09 December 13 01:28 GMT (UK)
I have John's parents as a Robert Howard and Mary Ann Martin
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: essexpoet on Monday 09 December 13 08:30 GMT (UK)
Robert and Mary Ann died have a son John born c1840 - is this the one you are referring to?

If it is, I do not have information about his marriage - can you give me a year of marriage and place and name of his wife - I can then follow it up. Where was John junior born?

It appears that I may have given you a different Howard line - there were several in Halstead.

Kind regards
Mike
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: little_fagg on Monday 09 December 13 10:54 GMT (UK)
Robert Howard b 1810 Halstead. Married Mary Ann Martin on 23 November 1829. Died 1877. Mary Ann b  1810 in coggeshell Essex. Died 1872
Their son john, b 1840 married Jane scowling Norfolk b 1821 (not sure if that's right) John died 1886 and Jane 1877.
Jane and John had a son, John (jnr) b 8 April 1861 bridge st Halstead. 1891 census lived in westham 1901 lived in Leyton and was a bricklayers labourer. John married Annetta littler b 1861 Manchester, died September 1910.
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: essexpoet on Monday 09 December 13 17:46 GMT (UK)
I think you have the wrong John married to Jane Norfolk.

John and Jane married 30/05/1841 and had the children in my earlier post including John junior.

Robert's son John was only born 1840 so could not have married Jane. The marriage document in the Parish records gives John's father as Israel Howard.

If you have access to the 1871 census it shows the whole family living at Bridge Street.

I think it is a case of two many Johns! You have picked up one who seemed the right age to have a child born 1861.

A combination of the Parish records and the census would seem to prove the facts.

Regards
Mike
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: little_fagg on Monday 09 December 13 22:23 GMT (UK)
I think that seems to be the case. I will edit my tree when I get time, thanks for your help.
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: Tony45P on Wednesday 29 April 15 00:50 BST (UK)
Hi Gary,

Yes your line is another Howard family in my tree.
I believe Fred  Jr (your grandad) had sisters Gladys and Grace.
Fred Sn married Ada Norris. Let me know if I am correct about these.
I have more information on the Beadle line. Emily's parents were John (c1819-1896) and Jane Beadle (nee Brunning)(c1820-1899) John was born in Halstead and was a shoemaker and Jane was born in Long Melford Suffolk. I have earlier information on the Beadle and Brunning families if you are interested.
Do you have any information about Edward Jr's mother as I cannot place an Edward Sn ?

Jane Brunning   ch   3rd September 1815 in Long Melford
   m   23rd February 1840 in Halstead, Essex
   bu  16th May 1899 in Long Melford
Husband   John Beadle   b   1820 in Halstead
   d   Mar* 1896 in Halstead District
Jane is the sister of my maternal grandmother's grandmother Caroline Brunning and I can stretch the Brunning FT back to 1700
Tony Pennick
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: essexpoet on Thursday 30 April 15 09:43 BST (UK)
Hi Tony,

Welcome to Roots chat.

I have Caroline and Jane's parents as Charles and Mary (nee Felton) and their grandparents as William and Mary (nee Cue?). Do you concur? If you do I would be interested to know if you have any details of Mary Felton's parentage.

Kind regards
Mike
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: Tony45P on Monday 13 July 15 17:34 BST (UK)
Hi Mike

My records concur with yours except for one detail

Charles Edward Brunning   b   22nd August 1787 in Long Melford, Suffolk
                                   ch  12th September 1787 in Long Melford
                                   m   3rd February 1806 in All Saints Church, Sudbury
                                   bu  26th December 1862 in Long Melford
Father : William Brunning  Mother : Mary Gue  (Not Cue)

Wife :  Mary Felton           b   April 1773 in Ballington, Sudbury
                                   ch  23rd April 1773 in All Saints Church, Sudbury
                                   bu  28th October 1855 in Long Melford
Father : William Felton  Mother : Hannah Ambrose

With regard to Mary's family, I found the following

Mary had a brother William Felton  ch on Aug. 17, 1777 in All Saints, Sudbury and buried on Nov. 7, 1779 in All Saints, Sudbury and a sister Mary Felton christened Feb 12 1773  Burial Jun 1 1774, All Saints Sudbury.

Mary's Parents : Hannah Felton [Ambrose] was christened  May 4 1755 in All Saints, Sudbury and died on an unknown date.  She married William Felton on Apr. 30, 1769 in All Saints Church, Sudbury, Suffolk. William was born in Ballington, Sudbury. (No more details found about William)

Hannah's Parents : Hannah Ambrose [Pricke] was christened Jul. 23, 1725 in All Saints Sudbury.  She married James Ambrose on May 9, 1754 in All Saints Church, Sudbury, Suffolk. James was born in Ballingdon. They also had a son James, christened on Nov 10 1760.

Hannah's Parents : George Pricke.  He married Sarah Pricke  (No dates found)  They also had a son, George Christened  Jun 28 1727  All Saints Sudbury

Hope this helps

Tony




Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: essexpoet on Monday 13 July 15 19:37 BST (UK)
Thanks Tony for the really useful information. It is amazing how young Hannah was when she married William (about 14 !) - I am not doubting you or the records as I have seen other similar instances recorded in that era.

Regards
Mike
Title: Re: The Howards in Halstead essex
Post by: Gary Howard on Thursday 06 August 15 11:15 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,

Thanks very much for your help and information, I can all of this to ancestry. 

If anyone thinks they are connected to the Howards in Halstead, please message me, as I am a Howard !!!

Cheers

Gary