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I am trying to find out more about this gentleman who was at one time residing in Keswick, Cumberland.
All I know of him was that he was once the chaplain to the Duke Of Manchester and may have served as a army chaplain on Cofu, Greece. He may also have been a vicar in Nydd, Leeds but I am unsure whether this is 'my' John Conway Hughes or another of same name.
I really would like to find out when he was born, who he was married to, the names and birth dates of his children and when he died.
I know this is asking a lot but if some kind soul could fill the gaps in my knowledge I would be grateful.
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Hi,,,There is a mention of a john william conway hughes as the curate in a post office directory of 1851 in ashurst,west sussex. Could this be him?
He can be seen in the 1851 census
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september 1848
john william conway hughes
sarah ann mcdonald james Southampton 7 266
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Hi gortonboy
Yes I do believe this is him.
The reason I am trying to track him and his family is because one of his children was my great grandmother. I do believe that there were several other daughters and a son.
Thank you very much.
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what was your great grandmothers name? when and where was she born ? ;)
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He appears in Crockfords Clerical Directory for 1865 but at that stage there is no mention of Corfu or Keswick so you need to look at a later one. It does mention various books he wrote but his last place is as curate in Eaton Socon in 1864. Previously in Kimbolton in 1861, Kensington 1854 and Ashurst in 1850.
Andrea
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Her name was Gertrude Alicia Gwendolen Hughes. She was born abt 1853. I believe she married George Douglas Hamilton in 10 March 1873 in Edinburgh. George was a pioneer settler/ landowner of a huge-13,000 acres-block of land in New Zealand and they returned there in March 1874.
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Hi Queenie-
1851 CENSUS
Rectory house Ashurst Sussex
John William Conway Hughes 27 Curate
Sarah Ann Mcdonald Hughes 18
Lionel Conway Hughes 1
Rebecca Gammage cook
Eliza Foreman nurse
Ann Coggin ladysmaid
Allen Stringer paige
1861
8 Bromley college Bromley Kent
Lucy Maria Hughes 59 clergyman's widow
Gertrude A Hughes 8 grandaughter b Wimbledon
Irena Maria Hughes 10 months B Dianan France British subject
Olwen Hatch servant
Elizabeth Blewitt servant
Perhaps John W C Hughes was a missionary? He seems to have travelled a lot, can't find either him or Sarah in 1861 so wonder if they're abroad, poss in Corfu although Andrea mentions Kimbolton in her post
Best wishes Julie
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Hi again.
1871 census-Above Derwent Crosthwaite Keswick
J W C Hughes 47 Curate of Crosthwaite b Oxford
ELIZA A 28 Wife b Devon
Catherine A 17 scholar b Wimbledon
Christine A 15 scholar b France
Irene M 11 b France(matches 1861 Bromley)
Kevin F C 3
Unnamed girl 1 month
Mary Hutchinson servant monthly
Mary Armstrong gen servant
Wonder if there were 2 J W C Hughes who were curates and similiar ages or just one with two wives
Regards Julie
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Hi Jubed
Thanks for this information. Seems like Reverend Conway Hughes married for a second time - Eliza age 28 -when he was in his mid 40's. I think it likely that the boy - Kevin age 3 and unnamed daughter i month old would be the children of Eliza.
I wonder when his first wife - Sarah - died?
Also the daughter listed as Catherine age 17 - I wonder whether this was my Gertrude who had at least four names? The age and date are right for her.
I do appreciate all your help - it is hard to sort out family history from the Antipodes.
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Some newspaper articles which mention him :
Saturday, October 29, 1842, The Standard (London),
University Intelligence - Oxford Oct 28
This day Mr. John William Conway Hughes, Commoner, and ........., were elected and admitted Scholars of Corpus Christie College.
Monday, August 20, 1849, The Standard (London),
Marriages
On the 19th inst, at All Saints Church Southampton, John William Conway Hughes S.C.L., New Inn Hall, Oxford, to Sarah Anne Macdonald, only surviving child of the Rev James James, Vicar of Llanbadarn, Trefeglyws, Cardiganshire.
Friday, Dec 7, 1849, The Standard (London),
University Intelligence - Oxford Dec 6
In a Congregation ...., the following degrees were conferred,
Bachelor of Arts - Rev. John William Conway Hughes, New Inn Hall.
Monday, Dec 30, 1850, The Morning Post (London),
Ecclesiastical Intelligence
Ordinations - On the Festival of St. Thomas the Apostle.
By the Lord Bishop of Chichester :
Priests - ......, John William Conway Hughes B.A., New Inn Hall, Oxford.
Friday, June 20, 1851, The Standard (London),
University Intelligence - Oxford June 19
In a Congregation ...., the following degrees were conferred,
Master of Arts - ......., Rev. John William Conway Hughes, New Inn Hall.
Saturday, June 18, 1853, The Morning Chronicle (London),
Ecclesiastical - Preferments and Appointments
The Bishop of Rochester has appointed the following gentlemen to appointments in his diocese.
The Rev J.W. Conway Hughes B.A., and ..., to the curacies of Mistley and Bradfield, near Manningtree.
Thursday, May 21, 1874, The Morning Post (London),
Consular Chaplains,
List of Consular Chaplains included for votes in 1873.
Rev. John William Conway Hughes M.A. - Corfu.
Wednesday, June 30, 1875, Hampshire Telegraph,
Marriages
Fletcher - Conway Hughes, On the 24th Inst., at the British Consulate, and afterwards by the father of the bride, at Holy Trinity Church Corfu, William Bainbridge Fletcher Esq, Surgeon RN, HMS Wizard, eldest son of the Rev William Fletcher, ...., to Christine Adriana Sidney, third daughter of the Rev J.W. Conway Hughes, M.A., Consular Chaplain at Corfu.
Wednesday, October 17, 1883, The Liverpool Mercury.
Diocese of York
His Grace the Archbishop of York .... on Monday admitted the following clergymen to their respective benefices - ... Rev. John William Conway Hughes M.A. to the curacy of Wragby.
Friday, January 25, 1884, Royal Cornwall Gazette,
Deaths
Boscawen, at Wellington, New Zealand, Katherine Ysabel, second daughter of the Rev J.W. Conway Hughes, M.A, late of Corfu, wife of Hugh Boscawen, eldest son of the Hon and Rev., J.T. Boscawen, Lamorran, Truro, aged 29.
Saturday, October 24, 1885, The Hampshire Telegraph,
Marriages
Dobbyn - Conway Hughes. On Thursday October 22nd, at St. Judes Southsea, by the Rev J.W. Conway-Hughes, father of the bride ....., John Stephen Dobbyn M.D., Fleet Surgeon, RN, HMS Rupert, younger son of the late Rev W.H. Dobbyn M.A., to Irene Marie, youngest daughter of the Rev J.W. Conway Hughes M.A, late consular chaplain at Corfu.
Alan.
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1861 census
Kimbolton, Hunts
John WC HUGHES (wid, lodger) 35 Curate of Kimbolton Master of Arts of N I H Oxford, Oxford Holywell
RG9/983/66/1
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Hi again.1861 CENSUS-
4 St ANNS TERRACE LAMBETH BRIXTON
Catherine Hughes 8 SCHOLAR b Normandy
Christina Hughes 6 scholar b Normandy
at private school run.by William and Louisa Humphries with their 3 daughters ,Louisa,Mary and Elizabeth all schoolmistresses.There are only 3 pupils at the school with a cook and gen servant.
Gertrude and Irene were with grandma so perhaps Gertrude and Catherine were born same year as Catherine is mentioned as 2nd daughter in her death announcement .Also looks as if unnamed daughter 1871 didn't survive as Irene is mentioned as youngest daughter(see Wolfie's post)
Perhaps Gertrude stayed with Grandma as she is not at home in 1871
Best wishes Julie
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Birth on FreeBMD :
Jun qtr 1853, Gertrude Helen Alicia Gwendolen Hughes, Tendring Essex. 4a 194.
From Crockfords Clerical Directory, 1885.
Conway-Hughes, John William
Wragby Wakefield, Trin Coll Ox, afterwards School of CCC Ox, and NIH Ox. SCL and BA (3rd cl Lit Hum) 1849, MA 1850, D. 1849 P. 1850 Chichester. C. in charge of Wragby Nostell Dio York 1883. FC in charge of Kimbolton, Hunts 1860-1861. Cons Chap at Corfu 1870-1882.
Then mentions some books he wrote/edited, two in France in the 1850's.
Alan.
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From the Book of Oxford University Alumni :
Hughes, Rev John William Conway, 1S. John William, of Holywell, Oxford (city) cler. Trinity Coll, matric 24 May 1842, aged 18. Scholar Corpus Christie Coll 1842-1845, New Inn Hall B.A. 1849, M.A. 1851, consular chaplain at Corfu 1870-1882, for list of his works - see Crockford. See also St Pauls School Registers p292.
From St. Pauls School, London, Registers :
Admitted Oct 13 1835, John William Conway Hughes, aged 11, son of John William Hughes, clergyman, Oxford.
Removed to Winchester College ; Fox and Burton Exhibitioner ; Scholar of Corpus Christie College ; BA (New Inn Hall, third class Lit Hum) 1849. HM chaplain in the Ionian Islands.
Alan.
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Thank you very much.
The information all of you have supplied is invaluable.
There had always been some dispute in regard the actual birth place of Gwendolen - and that has been confirmed by the information provided.
Some of the other information I had but was in the form of 'family legend' and not verified. It is now - thanks again.
I do wonder when /where the first wife died - perhaps in France? which would make sense of the children being placed in the care of their paternal grandmother.
I note that there is no mention of the first born child - Lionel - I wonder whether he died as a baby while his parents were residing in Ashurst?
And another thing I wonder about is Conway Hughes's second marriage - who is Eliza? and where did they marry and when did she depart the scene - and her children -at least two - Kevin and unamed daughter. There are so many 'holes' in the family history, aren't there?
It seems as though the daughters all married well. Again thank very much.
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From the Index of Wills :
The Will of the Reverend John William Conway Hughes, formerly British Consular Chaplain at Corfu in Greece, but late of Nydd Vicarage near Leeds in the County of York, Clerk, who died 13 August 1887 at Nydd Vicarage, was proved at the Principal Registry by Elizabeth Ann Hughes of Nydd Vicarage, Widow, the Relict, the sole Executrix.
Personal Estate £1463.
In 1871 Eliza/Elizabeth is born Devon.
A marriage, March qtr 1867, Weymouth Devon. John Conway Hughes, one of the two possible brides is Elizabeth Blewett. Weymouth 5a 457.
Alan.
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Many thanks to you kind souls!
I have managed to get a photo of John William Conway Hughes headstone, which with the information from this thread, has been of tremendous help to me.
:)
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I think you must be a second cousin of my husband and his brothers or perhaps third cousin of my children's! I'm at present putting together an extensive family tree going way back, from the genealogy research done by the Rev JW CH - I don't think he can have had much time for revving as the work he did is massive.
If you are the great grandchild of JW CH, you are about 15th in direct descent from Saint Robert Ferrar!
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Cherrych
I am scrambling for Google to get some info regarding Robert Ferrar. You have the advantage. You call him 'Saint' - is that because he was a devout martyr?
I count five generations from me back to J.W Conway Hughes.
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He was burnt at the stake in carmarthen in 1555 (born 1505) for his beliefs, after a mock trial. jw conway hughes was twelve generations from him. ferrar was made an ordinary saint and then in about 1960 he was promoted to being a first class saint, but whether he's been demoted again i don't know. I've just checked online and can't find him as a saint. Maybe he is no longer one.
You'll find loads on the internet about robert ferrar.
Your family must have had their children younger than our side to fit in five generations! there are only two between jw conway hughes and my husband - his father john and john's father llewelyn, from jw's second wife elizabeth blewett. You must be from the first wife sarah macdonald. That would account for one 'generation' and then both my father in law and his father had their children late in life.
hope that helps?
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cherrych
I am intrigued and I am curious enough to ask you for clarification on a few 'holes' in my information -which is sparse to say the least.
Do you have the names, birth , marriage, death of John William Conway Hughes parents?
Did he have any brothers and sisters?
Our line is from Conway Hughes eldest daughter Gertude [first marriage] so the generations are older than your line. It appears that there were several children [of both marriages??] that died as babies or very young children.
Any information is gratefully received - my brothers think I am nuts but are still mildly interested but I am 'hooked' and really want a little more family information.
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His father was also John, born 1796. he married Lucy Maria Vicary and they had five daughters and two sons - Lucy 1819-66, Emily 1822, John William 1823-87, Helen 1926, Theodossa 1829, Frederick 1831-71, Caroline 1836 and Henry 1837. I'm going through all JW's paperwork and it's very muddled, but I'll be able to give you more dates etc once I've done it.
It seems it's quite a grand Welsh lineage, but I think the Saint Robert Ferrar part may have been a family myth as surely all saints are Catholic and he was Lutheran, and as you said, there's nothing online about him being a saint!
I'm not sure how to send you the full family tree and the lives of the people on it once I've put it together as it's huge and way too much to type out here. How do we get each other's email addresses without giving them to the whole world?
Tell your brothers what you are doing is very important and they will be fascinated once you've done all the hard work! All our family think I'm daft too, but I did my family's side and they were all thrilled. I wasn't intending to do my husband's side but found all JW's paperwork and got intrigued. It would all be lost otherwise. In years to come, your great great grand children will be interested to read about you!
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I am researching some of the names you have like Peagram , Standford Davis and Savins . I live in new Zealand I have a John Savins mother was Ann from Oxford and a Pheobe Peagram on my late husbands side would be keen to hear from you. Brad.
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Hi Queenie / Cherrych
JWC Hughes is my 4th great grandfather and his daughter Gertrude from his marriage to Sarah Ann Macdonald James is my 3rd great grandmother. I notice that queenie said she is also her great grandmother, I wonder how we are related?
Cherrych, I am not sure if you still get on here but I would love to find out more about the research JWC Hughes did on his genealogy.
If you get this message, could you please let me know as I would love to exchange details.
Regards, Greg.
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Hi Greg
My line is via Mary Campbell Hamilton b 18 October 1878 - she was the fourth of 6 children of Gertrude Hughes and George Douglas Hamilton. She married twice - Joseph James Oakley 16 January 1899 - 5 children. Her second marriage - Charles peter Sampson 21 August 1919- 3 children. Herbert Sampson second to eldest was my father. What is your line?
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Thanks for your reply queenie.
My line is from Mary Gertude Campbell's sister Irene Celian Gertrude b 21 Oct 1878 d 30 Jan 1952. She married James Alexander Scully and had 17 children! The 4th was my grandmothers father Denis William Scully.
I have Charles Peter Sampson in my tree but I only have 1 child to Peter and Mary - which is your father Herbert b 1935. Who were the other 2 children?
I have done some extensive research on the Hamilton line via George Douglas and have been able to trace our line back to John Hamilton, Archbishop of St Andrews who at one point was Lord High Treasurer of Scotland to his brother James Hamilton, 2nd Earl of Arran.
The Hamiltons were a very connected family and George Douglas's father William Hamilton was at one point esquire of Croft-an-Righ House which is a house on the outskirts of Holyrood Palace.
Do you have many photos of the Mary Gertrude Campbell or her family?
Did you end up getting much information from Cherrych regarding JWC Hughes?
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I notice on NZ bdm records it has Mary Gertrude Campbell and Irene Celian Gertrude both born 1878.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dBirthSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults
Could they have been twins? I need to purchase Irene's birth certificate to clarify I think.
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Hi again
You must know Buster Evenson - I have communicated with him because he and his mother Hilda Evenson nee Scully came to grandad Charles Sampson's funeral. Hilda was a live in home help who looked after Mary because she had dementia and couldn't be left alone. Herbert was the second born son - Charles [ aka as Charlie] was the eldest and Maude was the only girl - she was born after Charles snr came back from WW1.
I have a lot of info but of course not sure on some things and possibly there are errors. I have Irene born 1877 and Mary born 1878. But I have never purchased Irene's birth certificate to clarify her birth date. It may be easier to exchange some information out of the public forum. Would that be a possibility?