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Title: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: Scott1940 on Monday 11 October 10 20:16 BST (UK)
I am looking for the birth of Catherine McLennan  b about 1831/33 in Knockbain, also her marriage to John Fraser about 1850.

Living in Knockbain 1861/1891

Thanks
Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 11 October 10 20:29 BST (UK)
The marriage is on the IGI - (if it's the same couple given the year)

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

In view of the date - you can check Scotlands People website and get both her parents names and mothers maiden name from the entry

Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: Scott1940 on Monday 11 October 10 22:36 BST (UK)
Hello Carole,

Thank you for your reply.

I am not sure if it is the right couple as they had children from 1852 - 1868, but John was born in Urray.

I will look at Scotlands People but do not have an account at the moment

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 11 October 10 22:50 BST (UK)
Is this the couple you are researching?

1861 for Knockbain - all children b Knockbain

John Fraser 35 b Urry road labourer
Catherine  33 Killearnan
Roderick  8
Mary 6
Ann  4
Catherine  5 months
Cristina McLennan 81 mother in law  b Contin former shepherds wife
Knockbain ED 5 Page  12 Line 17
Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: Scott1940 on Tuesday 12 October 10 08:29 BST (UK)
Hello Carole,

Yes that is the family.

The problem is that on family search is gives the children's parents as John Fraser and Catherine Johnston, which is not correct.

Catherine Johnston was my gt gt grandmother and she married William MacDonald in 1869.

So trying to sort out the families.

Yvonne
Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: rhodamackenzie1 on Saturday 25 March 17 11:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Yvonne, I am also a direct descendant of Catherine Johnston and William MacDonald. I have had no luck at all with William, his marriage and death entries have different mother's names and him being born in Glenrinnes has flummoxed me entirely! Have you had any luck with them?
Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: scotmum on Saturday 25 March 17 11:16 GMT (UK)
Scott1940/Yvonne was last on site in June 2016. They should hopefully receive an email alerting them to your post, though, if their email address is still current:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=43554
Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 29 March 17 00:31 BST (UK)
I am also a direct descendant of Catherine Johnston and William MacDonald.

Hi Rhoda,

On the marriage cert. of Catherine Johnston, what were the names of her parents, what was her father's occupation, what was her given age & who were the witnesses & where married please ?

Annie

Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: Skoosh on Wednesday 29 March 17 15:02 BST (UK)
Scott, a bit of background on the MacLennan's generally, they were evicted from Strathconnon by the Balfour owners in the "Clearances!" same family as the Prime Minister!

You might be lucky & find Urray relatives amongst the tenants in Fairburn,

http://www.fairburn-estate.co.uk/history.html

Skoosh.
Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: rhodamackenzie1 on Friday 31 March 17 23:34 BST (UK)
Hi Annie,
Sorry for the delay. Her parents are John Johnston, sailor (1800-1866, drowned at sea) mother Margaret macgregor (1803-1876) witnesses Alexander Johnston and James MacDonald.
Married at Petty near Inverness, she is 35, from Charleston, knockbain. She had an illegitimate daughter born at pluscarden before she met John.
Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 01 April 17 01:00 BST (UK)
Thanks Rhoda,

I forgot to ask the same questions on William MacDonald?

Is it possible that William's father was married twice?

Have you found them both on any census' prior to marriage?

From the witnesses, could James MacDonald be a brother of William?

Annie
Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: rhodamackenzie1 on Friday 14 April 17 23:54 BST (UK)
Sorry Annie, just back from holiday. William's parents are William Macdonald and the mother's first name has been scored out then rewritten and is very hard to decipher, most likely to be jean grant. On William junior's death entry mother is,given as Margaret Mackenzie. Unfortunately there are wm macD marriages to women with both these names around the same time in the right place and I am stumped. I have Catherine in every census but not William before his marriage.
Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 15 April 17 00:32 BST (UK)
The problem is that on family search is gives the children's parents as John Fraser and Catherine Johnston, which is not correct.

Catherine Johnston was my gt gt grandmother and she married William MacDonald in 1869.
The births mentioned by Carole on the 1861 census are prior to Catherine Johnston marrying William MacDonald.

Is it possible Catherine Johnston was married a 2nd time when she married William MacDonald?

Her death cert. should contain that info. if the informant knew that?

Annie
Title: Re: re Catherine McLennan,Knockbain
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 15 April 17 00:55 BST (UK)
I am looking for the birth of Catherine McLennan  b about 1831/33 in Knockbain, also her marriage to John Fraser about 1850.

Living in Knockbain 1861/1891

I have been going over this thread again but highly confused with all the names floating around with no real proof of anything?

The children on the 1861 census, some were born after 1855 i.e. a BC from SP will give the names of both parents with mother's maiden name, date & place of marriage.

The marriage on IGI is far later than this & quite possibly either the wrong couple or they were not married when the children were born?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYQ2-TQV

John Fraser
Spouse Catherine Maclennan
Married 19 Dec 1873
Urray,Ross And Cromarty,Scotland

This marriage will give both their ages, both their parents names & both mother's maiden names as well as witnesses.

This can only be obtained from SP to find out where the info. is wrong/different etc.

Following IGI births/marriages with no real info. or census transcriptions is not going to give you the facts you need.

Annie