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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: elin on Monday 11 October 10 19:16 BST (UK)
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I would be grateful for a tidy up of this photo please and anything else you care to do. :)
I am trying to work out who is who but I am hopeless with ages!
There is Joseph b 1886, Charles b 1887, William 1888, Adolphus 1896, Hector 1900, Trevor 1901,
Richard 1902 and Sylvester 1905. A couple of them seem obvious but others I don't have a clue.
I am presuming that the oldest man is the grandfather, do you think the resemblance is there? Grandfather died in 1913.
Any help would be lovely! :)
Thanks,
Elin
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Cant help with he ages i afraid to say,
but heres a tidy up, with a splash of colour.
Ivor
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I've got a problem with this.Assuming this was taken in the UK most of these chaps would have been away fighting from 1914 so 1914-18 seems out of the question but 1913 would make the youngest about 8 & the lad at the front looks a lot older than that as do the 3 next youngest who look 18 -20.
The chap in the centre is the most modern as he has a collar bar which is associated with later in the decade.
A couple have small starched collars which was the norm throughout the decade with the others wearing the formal winged collar.Was there a wedding going on?
On balance this looks post war,1918 - 20ish.
Is this a postcard?
Can you show the back?
Style & stamp box might reveal something.
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Thank you so much Ivor, that is brilliant! :) The colour is lovely!
Elin
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Hi Jim,
Thank you for your thoughts! It looks like the older man cannot be the grandfather. :(
The photo was taken in Monmouthshire and I know that the two oldest brothers did serve. I think that several of them remained home because they were doing work essential to the war.
My aunt has the original photograph, I don't think that it was a postcard but I will check that with
her. It could be a wedding, a couple are wearing button holes, I'll check out the brothers wedding dates. Wouldn't they all be wearing button holes?
What age would you think that the youngest one was?
Thank you so much for your help.
Elin
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The youngest looks between 12 - 14.
jim
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I have just been checking the brothers' marriages. William and Charles both married in the third quarter of 1912. I have a possible marriage for Joseph in 1915 but it was in Glamorgan and so
out of area. The next one is Hector in 1921 and then Adolphus in 1924. I am now clinging vainly on to the hope that the photo is from a double wedding of William and Charles, which would explain the two buttonholes. :-\
Elin
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The youngest looks between 12 - 14.
jim
That hope dashed then!
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As an observation,the 2 that served are wearing civvies so probably after demob. in 1919.
If this is a wedding photo it may not have been taken on the day,this wasn't unusual.
as the chap centre is the one with the corsage it may be his.
The older chap may be an Uncle & older brother to the father.
jim
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If the youngest is Sylvester & he's 14 in this that would fit with a date of 1919.
jim
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I didn't notice that one was wearing a corsage! You are a lot more observant than I am!! The father was the oldest of several brothers, so I don't know who the older man could be. :-\ He certainly looks like family to me. You do mean the man in the straw hat, when you talk about the older man? I'm really bad at peoples ages!
Elin
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I think it's a Fedora but yes that's the one.As one of the sons has his arm on his shoulder would suggest family.
He looks 65-70.Maybe an uncle to the father then.
jim
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Thank you Jim, I'll have a look at possible uncles now!
Elin
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No sadly his only uncle died in 1895. >:( It's a mystery!
Elin
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I would be grateful for a tidy up of this photo please and anything else you care to do. :)
I am trying to work out who is who but I am hopeless with ages!
There is Joseph b 1886, Charles b 1887, William 1888, Adolphus 1896, Hector 1900, Trevor 1901,
Richard 1902 and Sylvester 1905. A couple of them seem obvious but others I don't have a clue.
I am presuming that the oldest man is the grandfather, do you think the resemblance is there? Grandfather died in 1913.
Any help would be lovely! :)
Thanks,
Elin
Hi Elin,
Well the lads at the back all look about 18 to me, except the one behind Father with a bow tie, straight up collar on, he is a little older than that 25/6 at a guess, I recon his collar and dress about 1902/6 like my Gramp who was picture about the same time. [that one is dated] ???
The RH side with the straight collar. He is nearer 25/29. I reckon that they are post war lads! The ones born in the 1800's I mean. :-\
Now the boy in the front twixt the adults, ie Dad and ?? Grandad, is about 8/9 or big for his age. :-\
I cannot see a resemblance at the moment, but I will study it more closely and get back to you on that.
I have only had a very quick glance, I have not stopped to work anything out properly yet either!
Rabbit B ;D
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How sure are you that the man on the left is the father?
Could it be the man on the right & the other one is a younger brother?
jim
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Hi Rabbit,
Thanks for all your thoughts! ;) Interesting that you think the smaller boy is 8/9 I don't think any of them were tall people. I would like him to be 8 because that could make the older man his grandfather :-\
Thank you for having a look at it for me, it has had my head spinning all day!
I have a contact researching the same family and their grandaughter is doing a GCSE history project on WW1. The idea is that they try and find their own ancestors who were involved and find out a bit about them. I have been puzzling about this one on my own behalf for a long time now anyway.
Anyway thanks for your help our Bun,
Elin ;D
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How sure are you that the man on the left is the father?
Could it be the man on the right & the other one is a younger brother?
jim
Hi Jim, my two elderly aunts both knew him and are certain that it is him, but do you mean a younger brother of the father? That is a clever thought and my aunts weren't even born at that time.
He was older by the time they came along, he was born in 1859.
Thanks,
Elin
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does the man on the left look 60?
jim
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I don't know Jim! :'( gulp
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Hi Elin.......Heres my restore and retone.
Carolyn :)
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Thank you Carolyn, that's gorgeous, I love it! The frame sets it off brilliantly:)
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does the man on the left look 60?
jim
Hi Jim,
I think that he does. 60+ I'd say, ;)
Carolyn m'dear,
What a wonderful job you have done on that restore!
It is superb!
Rabbit B ;D
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Hi Rabbit,
It really is a wonderful restore, Ivor has done a beauty too earlier in the thread? I'm delighted with them both! :D
I really can't tell with the age but I am sure that he is my Gt Grandfather. Thas has been agreed by several people who met him.
Elin
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I think the young lad in the front looks to be about 9/10 years of age.
Carol
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Thank you Carol, :) I think that I have to accept that the older man can't be his grandfather. :(
Elin
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Since you know the wedding dates of some of the young men, a very local newspaper might have carried an announcement.
If so, there may be other information a few days before/after the event.
I have found names of the bride and groom, their parents, "out-of-town guests", and lists of wedding presents for weddings that took place 1890-1910. These were in small town newspapers in the US: central New York state, and central Michigan. The people were not necessarily socially prominent, just small town folks.
The men may not be one family....perhaps the father/s and brothers of the bride and groom?
all the best,
Karen
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You are welcome Elin.
Carolyn :)
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Hi Rabbit.......Thank you for your praise its appreciated.
Carolyn :)
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Hi Karen,
Thank you for your interest! That is a good idea re the newspapers, especially since one seems to be a double wedding.
I think that the young men will all be the brothers, it would make sense because they had eight sons who lived. They had 24 children altogether, this is just the male side!! :)
Thanks,
Elin
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Hi Rabbit,
It really is a wonderful restore, Ivor has done a beauty too earlier in the thread? I'm delighted with them both! :D
I really can't tell with the age but I am sure that he is my Gt Grandfather. Thas has been agreed by several people who met him.
Elin
Hi Elin,
Thank you for hinting that I had not mentioned Ivor, I am mortified about that, I wouldn't miss him out for anything.
Ivor a million apologies, :-[ I loved your colour version, but I clean forgot, because I was so busy with other things to mention it! You know that is not like me to do that, So very sorry! :-[
Elin I will get back to this picture when I have a mo! I have got gas engineers on my mind at the moment! ::)
No time to even read the thread properly at the moment!
Rabbit B ;D
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I am trying to work out who is who but I am hopeless with ages!
There is Joseph b 1886, Charles b 1887, William 1888, Adolphus 1896, Hector 1900, Trevor 1901,
Richard 1902 and Sylvester 1905. A couple of them seem obvious but others I don't have a clue.
I don't think that anybody has tried to identify which brother is which so I have had a go based on what I perceive as their relative ages. I think that the back row reading left to right is Hector, Charles, William, Richard, Trevor, Joseph and Adolphus, with Sylvester in the front between the older gentlemen. I think that Sylvester is between 11 and 13. Chrisann
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Hi Rabbit,
I have been trying to put part of your message in quotes but it isn't happening and I decided
life was too short!! ::)
I would never dream of hinting at you :-[, it didn't enter my head!!
Elin :D
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Hi Chrisann,
I appreciate you working out their ages for me, it is good to have someone elses opinion. :)
It gives me something to go on.
Thanks,
Elin :)
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Hi Rabbit,
I have been trying to put part of your message in quotes but it isn't happening and I decided
life was too short!! ::)
I would never dream of hinting at you :-[, it didn't enter my head!!
Elin :D
Hi Elin,
I was so glad you mentioned it. Please do not worry about it I was grateful to you.
I had missed poor Ivor out because I was in a rush!.
That would never do, I will have a good look at this one when I can.
Thank you anyway.
Rabbit B ;D
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Hi Elin,
At last it is done.
First the b/w
Rabbit B ;D
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Then the sepia,
Were these lads in a Rugby team I wonder?? Look at the thickness of their necks?
Real men these are! ::)
;D ;D
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Rabbit, they are wonderful restores, thank you!! I especially love the sepia one! :)
They do look a healthy bunch don't they? They were all wheelrights or miners so I suppose
it came from the heavy work that they did.
Thanks,
Elin :D
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Rabbit, they are wonderful restores, thank you!! I especially love the sepia one! :)
They do look a healthy bunch don't they? They were all wheelrights or miners so I suppose
it came from the heavy work that they did.
Thanks,
Elin :D
A feast for the female eye this lot were! Nice looking lads every one!
I am so glad that you liked them Elin, they were a pleasure to do
Rabbit B ;D