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My grandfather, John Keogh (b. 1880), and grandmother, Anne Kelly (b. 1885) were from the Glen of Imaal in Wicklow. The townlands I have heard about in the area in which members of the two families lived are Seskin, Stranahely, Coolmoney, Leitrim and Knocknamunnion. I think these townlands are in the parish of Donaghmore but I think that may be the civil, as distinct from church, parish. Does anyone know what the relevant Catholic parish or parishes are for those townlands?
I have a good deal of information on the two families from the 1901 and 1911 censuses. The Kellys, or some of them, moved to Kildare before 1911 but I would be interested to know if there are Keoghs still in Glen Imaal.
Dermo
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Hi Dermo,
I spent 24 years in the Army and spent lots of time on exercise in the Glen of Imaal. There is a ruined house called Keogh's House just behind the Fentons pub in the Seskin area. It might belong to some of your ancestors.
Just a thought.
RoryT
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All five of the townlands seem to be in the Civil parish of Donaghmore , and the registration district (or Poor Law Union) of Baltinglass . See the townland database at www.thecore.com/seanruad
There is another townland named Seskin, in Mullinacuff civil parish (Shillelagh reg. district) buit I'm guessing that's outside your area of interest. (Mullinacuff civil parish is located further south near to Tullow )
To check for Co. Wicklow RC parishes see the Irish Times website at : Wicklow RC Parishes (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/wicklowrc.htm)
(Many of the details for this are derived from Ryan's Irish Records.)
The Civil parish of Donaghmore is listed under the RC Parish of Dunlavin (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Wicklow&CityCounty=Wicklow&parish=Dunlavin&churchid=475).
Shane
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Shane - Thanks for that information. It gives me a starting point for following up on church records.
Rory - Interesting to hear of your experience in the army. I assume the army exercises would have been based on Coolmoney Camp? Pardon my ignorance, but is the Glen of Imaal firing range near Coolmoney or elsewhere? The family story is that my Kelly great grandmother sold her land to the British in the early-1900s for the artillery range (I suspect her land formed part of the range, not the whole thing) and moved to Kildare.
Dermo
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Coolmoney Camp is situated not far from the Glen area itself and soldiers would have been billeted there whilst on firing exercises in the Glen. The whole area from Coolmoney to Table mountain, Knockinarrigan, Seskin, Leitrim Crossroads is used by the army for exercises. The place was used previously by the British Army also.
Rory
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Rory
Many thanks for the info.
Dermo
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Dermo.
I lived near the Glen years ago. Keoghs are still there. I went to school with them in the 70's. From what I can remember they own/owned a sawmill in the area. The church near them is in Davidstown. There is also a church in Donard. Hope this might help. I have a contact from the area if you want word to get to the Keoghs in the Glen.
Car.
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Hi Car
Many thanks for the reply and information. I haven't yet gotten around to checking for church records on the Keogh side of the family yet but will add Donard and Davidstown to the list to be investigated. My grandfather's siblings who remained in the Glen were all dead by the mid-1970s as far as I know. I imagine, if related to the Keoghs you went to school with, they would have been of their great grandparents generation. The names I know of grandfather's siblings who stayed in the Glen are (1) William (Bill) Keogh died 1976 and had lived at Seskin, Knockenarrigan, (2) Patrick Keogh died 1971 at Coolmoney, (3) Elizabeth (Lizzie) Keogh Donohoe died at Coolmoney 1961, and (4) Anne (Nanny) Keogh Murphy lived in Seskin, died 1960.
Dermo
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Hi, I'm researching my family history, which in the main is the O'Brien family. However, my grandmother was a Keogh, also on some documents spelt Kehoe. Her name was Jane born c1861 and I believe her address might have been sheephouse Arklow Wicklow. My gran married an Andrew O'Brien in Dublin c1879, and my dad was born in Clontarf west Dublin in 1899. Don't know if there is any connection with the Keogh family of Glen of Imael or not, but would be interesting to find out.
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Hi Peddy
I have no record of a Jane among my Keogh relatives (see earlier posts for the names I have) nor have I any reference to Arklow. This is not to say there may not be a connection. I have only scratched the surface of the Keogh side of the family so far. Curiously enough, I am also researching O'Briens and have a couple of Andrews in my tree. One was my great grandfather. He died in 1881 however. The other Andrew never married and died in 1923. All my O'Brien relatives lived in the Harold's Cross, Rathmines and Ranelagh areas. I have no references to Clontarf.
The coincidence of names may be just that. However, I will keep an eye out for any Arklow or Clontarf connections and maybe you would do likewise for Glen Imaal Keoghs and southside Dublin O'Briens?
Regards
Dermo
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Hi Dermo
Thanks for that, I thought it was probably a long shot. However, if I come across any Keogh's/Kehoe who might belong to you I'll let you know.
rgds
Peddy
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Hi
I made a first attempt recently to check church records in the National Library for my Glen of Imaal ancestors. I searched the Dunlavin records without success. I was looking for my Keogh and Kelly great grandparents' weddings. I already had the certs from GRO so I knew precise dates and g g grandfathers' names but was hoping I would get g g grandmothers' names as well so as to have clues for further research. My great grandfather Tim Kelly married Anne Burke (or Bourke) in the "Catholic Chapel of Hollywood" in June 1876 while my great grandfather Michael Keogh married Mary White in the "Catholic Chapel of Davidstown" in November 1879. Not seeing these listed among the RC parishes on the Irish Times ancestors website, I had assumed these would have been chapels of ease for Dunlavin, the listed parish nearest those chapels and the addresses of the various g grandparents. The Dunlavin records are very faded, to the point of invisibility, in some places but I found legible register pages for the relevant months but no mention of the ancestors.
Could the records for the two chapels be elsewhere than among the Dunlavin parish records or do I have to assume they are on the very faded pages or lost completely?
Not being familiar with the setup in Wicklow, I would value any advice on how to proceed.
Dermo
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I dont have first hand knowledge of these two chapels but according to the Irish Times details, the townland, and civil parish of Hollywood is in the RC parish of Ballymore Eustace
The townland of Davidstown is in the Civil parish of Donaghmore, and the RC parish of Dunlavin.
Records were supposed to be kept by the parish, so any events that took place in a chapel of ease should have been recorded in the parish register.
Shane
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Shane
Thanks for that. So, I was looking in the wrong place for the Kelly/Burke marriage. Good to know there's still a possibility of finding it on my next trip to NLI. I will examine the Dunlavin microifilm again just in case I missed the Keogh/White record though I suspect it might be on one of the illegible, virtually blank pages.
Regards
Dermo
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Hi,
They are also my great grand parents. Michael and Mary Keogh of the glen of imaal. My sister saw their ruined house some years ago with two of their grand daughters (our mother and her sister). Its 30 minutes away from Dublin past Blessington and on to Donard etc. Everything fits. One of their daughters, Julia left the Glen and went to work in Dublin. (You didn't have her name but the others are her brothers and sisters as per your email). My mom knows all the names you have, the sawmills, the army baracks in Coolmoney. It quite amazing. Its a lovely part of the world in west wicklow.
Hi
I made a first attempt recently to check church records in the National Library for my Glen of Imaal ancestors. I searched the Dunlavin records without success. I was looking for my Keogh and Kelly great grandparents' weddings. I already had the certs from GRO so I knew precise dates and g g grandfathers' names but was hoping I would get g g grandmothers' names as well so as to have clues for further research. My great grandfather Tim Kelly married Anne Burke (or Bourke) in the "Catholic Chapel of Hollywood" in June 1876 while my great grandfather Michael Keogh married Mary White in the "Catholic Chapel of Davidstown" in November 1879. Not seeing these listed among the RC parishes on the Irish Times ancestors website, I had assumed these would have been chapels of ease for Dunlavin, the listed parish nearest those chapels and the addresses of the various g grandparents. The Dunlavin records are very faded, to the point of invisibility, in some places but I found legible register pages for the relevant months but no mention of the ancestors.
Could the records for the two chapels be elsewhere than among the Dunlavin parish records or do I have to assume they are on the very faded pages or lost completely?
Not being familiar with the setup in Wicklow, I would value any advice on how to proceed.
Dermo
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Hi Brino
Great to hear from you. I know about Julia, she married Paddy Kavanagh. They lived in Blackrock, Co. Dublin. My mother was particularly close to their daughter May Kavanagh. She and my mother were violinists. My mother was May Keogh. Apart from my grandfather, John, who was the eldest child of Michael Keogh and Mary White, the others I know of (in birth order, I think) are Bill, Mary, Nanny (Anne), Julia, Lizzie, Michael, Tom, Kate and Patrick. Was Julia your grandmother? I think we are probably second cousins.
I haven't been in the Glen since I was a child. I must make the trip sometime soon.
Dermo
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Hi,
Thats us ok for sure. The two ladies were great players ok. They were the foundation stones for the Chieftains and Riverdance I think. They should have been mentioned for their part as they did a lot of work in their day. They were well known in music circles in Dublin.
Anyway its good to know the ancestors and that some are still in the area.
B
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Hi Brino
I'm wondering if your mother has any information on the parents of Michael Keogh and Mary White, especially their mothers. I eventually found the church record of their marriage but it didn't list the mothers' maiden names. Michael's father was John Keogh and his mother's christian name was Julia. Mary's father was William White and her mother's name was Anna (or Anne). Their wedding cert gives Michael's address as Coliga and Mary's as Camera. Michael and Mary were living in Knocknamunnion in 1901 and in Stranahely in 1911. Do you know where the ruin of their house was situated?
I am also wondering if your mother knows anything about a family connection to Michael Dwyer of 1798 fame. My mother believed there was a link to one of his sisters. From information provided in another thread on this site, I think the link may be through Donoghues. Lizzie Keogh, a sister of my grandfather John and of Julia's married Tom Donoghue who was her first cousin. One of Michael Dwyer's sisters married a Donoghue. However, I haven't been able so far to find a link between the two Donoghues. I'd really be interested to hear if your mother can shed any light.
Dermo
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Hi, The ruin was in Seskine near Coolmoney by all accounts. I'd say if you asked the older folk in the saw mill in Coolmoney they would tell you where exactly it was. The keoghs of the Glen of Imaal are a well know family there so the old home stead would be well known Id say. Fentons Pub might be a land mark. I asked my mom and she didn't know anything past her grandparents or the Michael Dwyer connection but Stranahely and knochnamunnion rang a bell for her as places mentioned in conversation of years back.
Best of luck with the search. B
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Thanks for that. I'll let you know in due course if I uncover anything. D
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Hi The Keogh family are well known in the glen. Bill Keogh ( Big Bill ) died only a month ago. His son, I believe, has now taken over the sawmills and the Glen Lounge pub. Fenton's pub is still here and still called Fenton's by the locals, but it is actually owned by Harry Murphy. Don Fenton the original owner still lives in the glen.
Hope some of this is of help.
Doode67
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Hi. I've recently moved to the Glen of Imaal and today I found out that a great great grandfather of mine is from here. His name was Jack Kelly. Did you ever come across a him in your search, or any other Kelly's? Anything you can tell me would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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Kelly Imaal 1901 census
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nms/
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Thanks a million. It's possible he's there as John. There's been a couple of Johns in the family on his side since his time and though their names were John, they were all known as Jack. I'll look into it some more. Thanks.
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Registration District : Baltinglass
https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php?gregdistid=18 I think!
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C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for kelly of Baltinglass http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nmt/
you can Select Births etc and also time frame from list on left
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Great, thanks so much.
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Talk to locals.....
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My grandfather, John Keogh (b. 1880), and grandmother, Anne Kelly (b. 1885) were from the Glen of Imaal in Wicklow. The townlands I have heard about in the area in which members of the two families lived are Seskin, Stranahely, Coolmoney, Leitrim and Knocknamunnion. I think these townlands are in the parish of Donaghmore but I think that may be the civil, as distinct from church, parish. Does anyone know what the relevant Catholic parish or parishes are for those townlands?
I have a good deal of information on the two families from the 1901 and 1911 censuses. The Kellys, or some of them, moved to Kildare before 1911 but I would be interested to know if there are Keoghs still in Glen Imaal.
Dermo
Hi Dermo. It's possible that your grandmother, Anne Kelly, was a sister of my great grandfather, John Kelly, who I think left the Glen of Imaal as a young man and settled in Kellystown, Ticknock, in South Dublin. Any information you might have would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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Hi Jimmykelly1059
My grandmother had a brother John. However, he moved to Kildare with the family, as I mentioned in my original post, not to Dublin. The land the Kellys farmed in the Glen was part of the tract the British War Department bought up for the artillery range that still exists there. With the compensation the family received, they bought a small farm near the town of Moone. As far as I know John farmed there until his death.
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My Grandmother was a Keogh from Stranahely, her name was Lizzie and is on the 1901 census. Her parents were Michael and Mary and they appear to be your grandfathers parents.
My grandfather, John Keogh (b. 1880), and grandmother, Anne Kelly (b. 1885) were from the Glen of Imaal in Wicklow. The townlands I have heard about in the area in which members of the two families lived are Seskin, Stranahely, Coolmoney, Leitrim and Knocknamunnion. I think these townlands are in the parish of Donaghmore but I think that may be the civil, as distinct from church, parish. Does anyone know what the relevant Catholic parish or parishes are for those townlands?
I have a good deal of information on the two families from the 1901 and 1911 censuses. The Kellys, or some of them, moved to Kildare before 1911 but I would be interested to know if there are Keoghs still in Glen Imaal.
Dermo
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Hi McIvory
I'm only seeing your post now. Lizzie Keogh was my maternal grandfather's sister. I have little information about her beyond the fact that she was married twice, firstly to James Flood in 1918 and then to Thomas Donoghue in 1924, her first husband having died in the interim. I found no record of children from her first marriage. Was Thomas Donoghue your grandfather?
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Hi Dermo, yes Lizzie Keogh was my maternal grandmother. She was married to James Flood but as far as I know they had no children as he shipped out to WW1 and died in battle. I have a little information on her parents. Give me a shout directly and I can share
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Thomas Donoghue was my grandfather