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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Franlynch on Monday 11 October 10 12:11 BST (UK)
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Hello,
My grandfather was Michael Creighton or Creaton, born September 1885, died 1952.
I know that there was a variation on the surname but I am not sure when it changed from Creighton to Creaton or vice versa.
the Family originated from Frenchpark, Loughlynn, Fairymount Roscommon and I know that Michael had a sister called Mary who married a Gallagher and lived in Galway. I can see her on 1911 Census in Galway (aged 37) and see a Mary Creighton aged 27 filed as Nursing in Galway Town Parks in the 1901 Census.
It is on this basis that I am using the Creighton spelling to search for Michael in the 1901 census and would assume that since Mary was absent from the house she should not show in any listings but I am not having any luck, your help, as ever, would be greately appreciated. I don't know his fathers name - sorry. He married my grandmother, Roseanne Brady but I don't know when.
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Is this the family in 1901 ?
Creighton family, Moyne townland, Roscommon (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Loughglynn/Moyne/1662785/)
Parents James & Mary and children Mary, Edward & Michael
Might fit for Michael... but with a sister Mary at home I'm not sure..
Shane
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Hello,
could they have married in Clare? If you search the Family Search pilot site, there looks to be a marriage there.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
1916 - Jane- March quarter Corrofin district vol 4 pg 121
has this reference for both a Michael Creighton and a Rose Anne Brady
best wishes
heywood
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Is this the family in 1901 ?
Creighton family, Moyne townland, Roscommon (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Loughglynn/Moyne/1662785/)
Parents James & Mary and children Mary, Edward & Michael
Might fit for Michael... but with a sister Mary at home I'm not sure..
Shane
That same family (without Mary) are Creaton in 1911 (presumably Franlynch as this one)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Loughglinn/Moyne/766284/
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the townland of Moyne is very close (about 4km) to a place marked as Loughlynn (without the g) on google maps
The electoral district for the 1901 census return is given as Loughglynn and in the 1911 census that heywood mentioned and the townland database as Loughglinn - so probably just variations in spelling for the same location.
Frenchpark is also quite close and to the east of Moyne & Loughglinn
Shane
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they would have married in Clare possibly because they lived in Ruan when married.
The ages don't match for Michael on 1911 - he would only have been 25 i think but they could have either transcribed ages incorrectly or mis calculated within the household.
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The ages are all transcribed perfectly, but seem to be rounded off to the nearest 10
I'd say miscalculated ... none of the ages are consistent with the 1901 return
Mary 75 to 80
Edward/Ted 24 to 40
Michael 18 to 30
but it does look like the same family living in the same townland as in 1901
The enumerator has filled in the 1911 return and Mary has indicated that she can read but not write, so maybe the 1901 form is more accurate due to James having filled it in.
Shane
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Shane
I see what you mean - thank you for your help - still does not match for 1901 though 'cause Mary's at home -
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Shane
I see what you mean - thank you for your help - still does not match for 1901 though 'cause Mary's at home -
are you certain that's the correct Mary you found on the 1901 return ?
The location of the family in Moyne / Loughglinn fits your details very well
Shane
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Shane,
I am not sure to be honest. I am going to contact another relative tonight to try and clarify a few points and will revert in the morning.
Thank you again for responding to me.
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Shane et al
Yes, I must now assume that the Creighton from 1901 and Creaton from 1911 are the same family, with Mary missing in 1911 as she was married at this point.
My grandfather - Michael - joined the RIC on 23rd October 1907 and was allocated initially in Clare but he must have been home for the weekend - or something like that.
He married my grandmother on 8th January 1916 so that is their marriage record also.
I am assuming that it's because his mother could not write that she must have got the enumerator to fill out the form and he misspelled / misheard the name and put creaton 'cause his record for RIC reads creighton.
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Hello again,
It would be best if you sent for the marriage certificate if you do not know who Michael's parents were.
There are quite a lot of Creighton/Creaton families in that Loughglynn area in both censuses with the same variation on the names. You would have to double check them. There are also some in Faireymount.
It may well be that this is the right family but the certificate would hopefully confirm.
best wishes
heywood
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Hello Heywood,
I got a pile of information on this family last night but unfortunately no dates which makes things rather awkward -
I know that there were 5 brothers, James, Michael, Edward, Thomas and Andrew. I also know that Andrew, while related in some way, is not in my direct line. I feel that one of the other 4 brothers is my great grand-father but without dates I am fairly stuck.
I also know that James was from Moyne, Michael from Aughadristin, Edward from Leitrim and Thomas from Frigh.
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Goodmorning,
I think you are saying that your grandfather Michael was the son of one of those men?
You can search in the censuses for any Creaton/Creighton- lots of recurring names.
The best thing to do is to get the marriage certificate for Michael and Rose Anne- that will give you his father's name.
http://www.groireland.ie/research.htm
best wishes
heywood
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Heywood,
I am going to order the marriage cert - thanks for your help.
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There are still Creightons in Aughadristin and either a Creaton or Creighton in Figh. You could try writing to them. You could also try writing to the Creatons in Loughglynn village. They have a shop, pub etc. They might have some information.
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I hope that this topic is still opened and that someone can help -
I have found out from my grandfathers marriage cert that his parents were Thomas Creighton and Mary McGarry - i have also seen on familysearch.org that they had siblings John Creighton, DOB 3rd June 1877, Mary Crayton, DOB 16th September 1985, Edward Creighton, DOB 25th July 1880 and Pat Creaton, DOB 19th November 1873. My Grandfather, Michael, DOB 20th April 1885 is not shown on familysearch.org for some reason.
Can anyone help me in a) tracking them on census, and b) finding out where they are now or what happened to them. Is this too big an ask? I would appreciate any help at all. I thought I had found them on 1901 census but siblings are Michael, Francis, Peter and Thomas with Thomas and Mary as parents, so not sure about rest of family!!!! So confused.
Fran
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Had a quick look at the earlier posts on this thread and looks like you'd already found Mary (born 1875 not 1985) in 1901 and 1911 census. The latest available census is 1911 although online civil registratuion index goes up to 1958.
The extracted Irish births on LDS sites go up to c1881 which is why Michael (born 1885) will not appear although some of his older siblings are listed.
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Could this be the family in 1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Fairymount/Leitrim/1666794/
and in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Faireymount/Leitrim/764658/
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I thought I had found her but it was not the correct family, archive links look like the right family - I just don't know where the older siblings have gone - I can't trace them
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Well you know the county they were born in so go to http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/#searchmore and just put in the Surname and then "County/Country of Origin" and put in the birth county then search.
If, for example they were born in Clare but were in Dublin in census time this should find them...
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Thanks, I'll try that, my problem is the spelling variation of the surname
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Try a wild card cre* for Surname.
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Have done - thanks again for reply
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My grandmother was Mary Kate (Molly) Creighton from Aughaloor, Loughglynn, Roscommon. She was born 1891. Her mother was Winifred Creighton and father Thomas Grogan from Behy, Castlerea, Roscommon. Her parents were married in Loughglynn Church circa 1889.
I think Winifred's parents were Anrew Creighton and Mary (Maria) Mannion (but not confirmed).
The above posts refer to Frenchpark which is in the vicinity of the above townlands. I feel there is a connection. Any thoughts?
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"...grandmother was Mary Kate (Molly) Creighton from Aughaloor, Loughglynn, Roscommon. She was born 1891.
Her mother was Winifred Creighton
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father Thomas Grogan from Behy, Castlerea, Roscommon.
Her parents were married in Loughglynn Church circa 1889.....?
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She would be Winifred Grogan, wouldn't she??
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Yes, Winifred Grogan (nee Creighton).
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Yes, Winifred Grogan (nee Creighton).
Doesn't make sense.. father was Thomas Grogan from Behy
"Mary Kate (Molly) Creighton born 1891. Her mother was Winifred Creighton and father Thomas Grogan"
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Sorry, should be Mary Kate (Molly) Grogan.
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Hello,
To avoid further confusion, is this your family - Grogan?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Castlereagh/Beagh/1664097/
Are you looking for Creighton connections?
Regards
Heywood
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yes
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23 years married in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Castlereagh/Beagh/763127/
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Marriage
Winifred Creaton or Creighton and Thomas Grogan are on the same page
Castlereagh March 1889 volume 4 pg 93
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The marriage certificate would give you Winifred's father's name.
In the meantime there is this one with parents Michael and Ann (Gara) in Loughlynn :-\
22nd May 1862 http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633960#page/55/mode/1up
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Hello Cullenfamily,
I think the general trend of the comments are suggesting you may be missing a generation and the parentage is more likely the Creighton and Gara combination.
Details from the Parish registers and burials for residents from Aughalour for Andrew and his wife are below
Mrs Andrew Creighton(Mannion) Feb 9th 1891 aged 73
Andrew Creighton Sept 8th 1891 aged 85.
The corresponding Civil records are likely to be 1892 for Andrew and 1891 for his wife. Given the ages and your marriage date it is more likely her father was Michael which you could solve by obtaining the specific details from the Civil record entry.
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Michael Creighton, parents Andrew and Mary Manion, baptised 20th February 1858.
But there is also
Michael Creaton baptised 13th June 1855 - parents Michael and Ann Gara
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Thanks Rosie.
Here is what I have:
THOMAS GROGAN (born c1859) married WINIFRED CREIGHTON (born c1861)
He was from Behy, Castlerea, Roscommon and she was from Aughaloor, Loughglynn, Roscommon
It appears they were married at Loughglynn Church on 21/2/1889
Children from that marriage:
Patrick Grogan (born 20/2/1890)
Mary Kate Grogan (28/11/1891) - MY GRANDMOTHER
John Grogan (born 17/5/1894)
Anne Julia Grogan (born 28/6/1896 - 1900)
Winifred Grogan (born 25/9/1898)
Margaret Mary Grogan (born 16/7/1901)
Thomas Grogan (born 26/11/1902)
Michael Grogan (born 1/7/1904)
Mrs Andrew Creighton (Mannion) buried Feb 9th 1891 aged 73 - birth c1818
Andrew Creighton buried Sept 8th 1891 aged 85 - birth c1806
would make them 43yo and 55yo respectively when Winifred Creighton was born (c1861)
could suggest there is a missing generation, unless of course Winifred was the youngest child born and taking into account that the dates may not be 100% accurate, Mary Mannion could very well be the mother of Winifred.
I don't see where this Gara connection fits in?
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Hello Creighton followers, i am enjoying the journey.
Is their any connection with the Roscommon Creighton line to Donegal?
I have a Charles Creighton[Craiton] who was born in Donegal in 1786.
This is my Creighton brickwall and trying to tick of any maybe links.
There is a number of Creightons in the Donegal Bay area that are not connected to my lot - yet.
The journey is worth it if a little frustrating at times.
Cheers
Jack Gee
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Thanks Rosie.
Here is what I have:
THOMAS GROGAN (born c1859) married WINIFRED CREIGHTON (born c1861)
He was from Behy, Castlerea, Roscommon and she was from Aughaloor, Loughglynn, Roscommon
It appears they were married at Loughglynn Church on 21/2/1889
Children from that marriage:
Patrick Grogan (born 20/2/1890)
Mary Kate Grogan (28/11/1891) - MY GRANDMOTHER
John Grogan (born 17/5/1894)
Anne Julia Grogan (born 28/6/1896 - 1900)
Winifred Grogan (born 25/9/1898)
Margaret Mary Grogan (born 16/7/1901)
Thomas Grogan (born 26/11/1902)
Michael Grogan (born 1/7/1904)
Mrs Andrew Creighton (Mannion) buried Feb 9th 1891 aged 73 - birth c1818
Andrew Creighton buried Sept 8th 1891 aged 85 - birth c1806
would make them 43yo and 55yo respectively when Winifred Creighton was born (c1861)
could suggest there is a missing generation, unless of course Winifred was the youngest child born and taking into account that the dates may not be 100% accurate, Mary Mannion could very well be the mother of Winifred.
I don't see where this Gara connection fits in?
Hello Cullen family,
Gara 'fits in' in my reply 33 where there is a Winifred born to Michael Creighton and Ann Gara.
It is there as a suggestion and for you to verify with the marriage details.
Do you have other information which points to Andrew and Mary? As you point out, Mary Mannion could well be the mother of Winifred but you need stronger evidence.
Regards
Heywood
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Children born to Andrew Creighton and Mary Mannion to check:
Andrew June 1850
Thomas October 1852
Margaret November 1855
Michael February 1858
There is also a Mary Ann who married in 1868 with these parents so there could be more in the records.
Children born to Michaael C and Anne Gara
James December 1853
Michael June 1855
Roger? April 1857
Mary April 1861
Winifred May 1862
Mary Ellen December 1868
Margaret January 1871
This would suggest that Andrew and Michael were perhaps brothers. You can search the baptisms - Godparents may also be useful in checking the families.
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Yes, I can see why the Gara mother may be a better fit as she has a daughter Winifred. I am not against this theory at all, in fact I would be very happy if this was true. As long as I get the correct parents I am happy to change my family tree. I have no proof either that the Mannion mother was more correct, only pointing out to Rosie that the dates of birth for the children would be feasable. I thought she said that I was missing a generation and by that I presumed she meant that there should be another set of parents in between the two I had already listed.
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I think Rosie was implying that but you will only know by investing a few euros and buying the certificate.
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Thanks Heywood, for your assumption of what Rosie meant. Investing a few Euros is not a problem and I take offence to your remark. I thank you for your input to this thread so far. I think you have contributed enough.
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Thanks Heywood, for your assumption of what Rosie meant. Investing a few Euros is not a problem and I take offence to your remark. I thank you for your input to this thread so far. I think you have contributed enough.
There was no criticism or offence meant at all.
I am sorry you got that impression. I was trying to help with my contribution , that's all.
One of the benefits of Irish research is that the copy certificates are so inexpensive compared to English ones - that was my meaning.
I notice you made presumptions re Rosie's remarks too and I was just trying to clarify the situation. Sorry, Rosie for butting in.
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Whoever the parents are obtaining the marriage record will resolve any issue you have and continued speculation is avoiding putting this to bed. The father’s name and the townland will be shown and if they prove not to be Aughaloor but Aghadrestan then your connection to Andrew and the Mannion mother is tenuous. The 1862 baptism for a Winifred relates to the Creighton/O’Gara folk from Aghadrestan. A gap in the parish records (1863-1865) does not help us and the availability of the Civil Marriage record is critical to your research.
In addition to your Winifred there was another Winifred Creighton of a similar age married to a Francis Corrigan in 1886 from Kiltybranks which again is within the Loughglynn/Lisacul Catholic Parish.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Artagh_North/Kiltybranks/1660735/
You may wish to wait to see what transpires from the latest news on http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2016/08/onlnine-launch-irish-birth-marriage.html before requesting a copy of the GRO record.
The church records are made up of registers from two church’s and the more complete are the Loughglynn registers which shouldn’t cause an issue for your Aughaloor folk. Lisacul registers are not as complete pre 1860.
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Thanks for that news Lisa. Hopefully it will be really useful to those of us who are interested in Irish research. :)
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Did not myluck resolve the issues we are addressing here on the birth of Winifred to Andrew and Maria Mannion Creighton and the marriage to Grogan a few weeks ago ?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752306.0
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Did not myluck resolve the issues we are addressing here on the birth of Winifred to Andrew and Maria Mannion Creighton and the marriage to Grogan a few weeks ago ?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752306.0
It looks as though he did! That's good news. :)
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Sorry Rosie, I did not get a chance to answer your post. Heywood has concluded that it is all resolved. I am not convinced yet and will continue to work on it. Thank you Rosie for your input.
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Rosie,
Further to our recent conversation, I now know that the Michael Creighton and Ann Gara from Aughadristan line is not mine. Their daughter Winifred married Francis Corrigian and not my great-grandfather (Thomas Grogan).
The correct line is that of Andrew Creighton and Maria Mannion. Which is the Aughaloor line
I have however acquired a huge amount of info on the Creighton/Gara line dating back to James Creighton (originally from Moyne) who married Mary O'Connor both born 1700's. They had three sons James, John and Michael (born 1823) who married Ann Gara from Aughrim, Roscommon (born 1832) and the baptismal records for their children are:
Mary Ellen (1868) married ? Hayden, Margaret (1871) married Cunnane, Thomas (1852), James (1853) never married, Edward (1866-1933) married Margaret Sharkey (1895-198?), Michael (Rev. Fr. Michael) (1855), Roger married Bridget Devine in Chicago (1857), Mary (1861), Winifred married Francis Corrigan (1862), Anne never married (1964) and Andrew emigrated to Chicago (1958).
The Creighton family originated from Scotland, then moved on to Clones in the North of Ireland before the 5 brothers, [James, Michael, Thomas, Edward and Andrew] all cattle/horse dealers, came to Roscommon as they were involved in the Fenian Movement and decided it were safer at the time to move sourh.
Each of the brothers acquired land in in the vicinity of Frenchpark, Loughglynn, Fairmount at Moyne, Feigh (Figh), Aghadrestin and Aughaloor.
So this Creighton/Gara line info may be of great interest to others. I have more details if this is the line you ar searching.
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Not my lines but enjoyed the journey.
Well done folks.
cheers
JackGee
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What is you line Jack?
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see previous page.
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Hello Cullenfamily,
The Creighton folk are not tied into my ancestry, my interest is merely my familiarity with the area. I always thought what you describe as ‘’a very large farm’’ on Roger’s site was the Aghadrestan rather than Aughaloor location.
Though the family have spread their wings I still think you can tie down one of the family who took back control of one of the three bars they were formerly associated with in Corracoggil if you venture down that way anytime.
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Hi,
I can tell you a lot of interesting info of the Creaton lady who went to Galway and married Dr Gallagher
My mother can tell you some great stories, she is a Creaton and related to them.
She has told me many stories over the years.
I myself have met thier daughter who was also Dr Gallagher.
My mother was born literally next door in Fairymount and ironically now lives in Galway.
Where are you based ?
Regards
Michael