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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: loulou12 on Sunday 10 October 10 21:43 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I wonder if someone can help me? I'm looking for a Settlement Certificate for a John Vernon - I have found him in Bothamsall but cannot locate his original place of birth. He married his wife Ann Holmes in Mansfield Woodhouse.
John's family eventually came back and settled in Mansfield Woodhouse - that part's easy :-)
I know this may sound very basic but does a settlement certificate show which town/village you came from before the town/village you are at the moment settling in?
Very many thanks for any help you can give,
Loulou
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Hi Loulou
Welcome to Rootschat. Have you got a year we could start looking
from as there are a couple of hundred years to search in lol.
You will I am sure get alot of us helping but we need a little starter
Thank you
regards Sandymc
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hi i hope its the 1930s my dads family moved spoth then i know all about them but would love to know how it was funded.
neil
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A settlement certificate should indeed show the place the person came from; in fact they can show a wealth of interesting info!
If no-one here finds one for you, it might be worth contacting the Nottingham records office.
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my post should have said moved south
neil
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The settlement act was repealed in 1834 although you can still find certificates up to 1876 in a few places. After 1876 the parish had lost its responsibility for the poor which had moved to county and borough councils. Even when the act was fully operational it only applied to the poor and those considered likely to become a burden on the parish. If you really are looking for 1930 then you are nearly a hundred years too late.
David
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thanks david i think i should start another posting it was a thing my dad didnt talk to much about this and his childhood.
neil
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Hi Loulou,
Do you have a date when John Vernon may have used a Settlement certificate? Or maybe his age etc.
Neil, in the 1930's there was a surge of people from the North who
went down South to the London area due to poverty as there were
no jobs for most people after the Wall Street Crash in 1929.
London was still expanding and the Goverment became concerned
about the influx of all these people and decided to get jobs to
be spread around instead of concentrating in the London area.
Your family probably moved with very little money and could even
have walked it as the Jarrow Marchers came through Mansfield and
area in 1936 and this could have prompted a lot of people to move South.
Hope you both find what you are looking for
regards Sandymc :)
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Hi Everyone,
Thank you so much for your replies - I'm sorry I didn't get back straight away, couldn't get on a computer last night!!!
I think that John would have used his settlement certificate between 1765 and 1766 ish - I got my facts wrong on my first post - he could also have married Ann Holmes in West Markham which is a village closer to Bothamsall than Mansfield Woodhouse.
Although I think I ought to research a little further into the Ann Holmes in Mansfield Woodhouse!! But that's something for me :-)
Thank you again,
Loulou
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hi sandy thanks for your imput what i do know is my nana and granda were very poor and had no work (my dad did tell me they had to sell some bedding before they could claim any asistance) they lived in north shields as far as i know they had 2 choices they could move to either stoke or maningtree essex they picked maningtree.the goverment paid to resettle them with the move they were given a house and a plot of land to farm this land and the houses are still known as the settlements.but this is as much as i know.
neil
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Hi Neil,
It was very interesting reading about your family. They had to be
destitute to get any help in those days and there is a very good
page about it all if you google Government Assistance in the 1930's
In 1934 the UAB or Unemployment Assistance Board were given
grants by Ramsay McDonald to help struggling unemployed in places
like Tyneside, Wales etc and move them to a place of better employment
and give them training. Some older unemployed were given allotments and livestock etc.
I remember there still was a UAB when I was a kid in the 50's but no one
wanted to be known as being on benefits in those days as you were
looked down on badly.
That stigma seems to have disappeared nowadays.
Been to Manningtree once as my eldest son did his year out of Uni there.
Hope this assists you with your family, I know what it was like to be poor
and to prove the point - I thought people were posh if they had scented soap lol. A block of Sunlight or if Mum was a little richer some Fairy in the block.
Hi Loulou I am in now for the afternoon I will see if I can see anything for you. I live in Nottingham but I dont know where I would go to see any settlement certificates.
regards Sandymc
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Hi Loulou
I had a look at the Nottinghamshire weddings for a hundred years and found the following, just wondering if John Vernon was married twice??
John Vernon at Bothamsall married Sarah Halifax on 9th February 1795
John Vernon at Sutton in Ashfield married Hannah Holmes in 1803
regards Sandymc
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Hi Sandymc,
John Vernon who married Sarah Hallifax was the son of John Vernon who married Ann Holmes. At this moment I don't think there's a connection but its worth just double checking.
I did find some settlement certificates at Nottingham Archives but it was near to the end of my last visit. There are so man different spellings of Vernon that I couldn't check them all.
I'm really desperate to trace John the elder's birth location as there are so many Vernons in Misterton that I wonder if there's a connection.
Loulou
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hi again sandy thanks for your advice ive google it no wonder my dad didnt have a lot to say about his childhood.but im so pleased they went to maningtree i hope you like the place as much as i do.the settlements are on the colchester road just past lawford.what i didnt know till a few years ago my nana never lost her north shields accent i bet there wasnt many who could understand her.about 20 years ago my wife and i went down the slinners in the high st. for a drink the bar maid ask me if i was dennis kenny,s son i said how do you know that she said because you are the person who talks like that round here.
kind regards neil
p.s my dad,his brother and sister came up trumps in the end his brother worked for B.P and by the time he retired is was well off his sister married a suffolk man they ended up owning a settlement house with loads of land. my mam and dad owned a bungerlow back in sunderland he worked on the railway from the time he moved up here untill he retiredthey travelled all over the world so there is a happy ending
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Hi Neil
How fantastic that everything turned out well. I was born just after the WW11 and it was poverty all around us. I am so pleased your family made good.
Me and my 3 other siblings all did well from a one up one down house for 6 of us to our own homes and great talents. After the poverty of a shared toilet up the street,no scented soap lol, no bathroom with hot water taps until I was 16 we all made it like your family and it must have been the poverty that made us think, I dont want my kids to be like this.
Luckyily for me I was born in Leeds and even in the 1930's the cotton and wool industry was still going well as everyone wants clothes. So my family didnt have to settle somewhere else because they had no jobs.
Nowadays we dont know how people suffered and I am glad to be in my 60's with all the knowledge and spirit which was given to me by my parents who suffered so much poverty but survived. I am sure you feel the same about yours. Bless them all x
regards Sandymc
p.s. I have a neutral accent most times until I go back to Leeds to visit then people say Do you come from Yorkshire? Of course I do and wouldnt come from anywhere else lol.
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hi sandy it makes intrestig reading about your childhood the soap made me smile i reckon you could write about your up bringing its sounds realy intresting and have it published. the pub in maningtree was the skinners not slinners.
neil