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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: owenc on Tuesday 17 August 10 17:30 BST (UK)
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I know that my G grandfather (x3) was born in 1810 and died in 1895, he attended dunboe presbyterian church, but he was not born their as he was not in the 1831 census, he seems to have relatives (possibly brothers) in magilligan (tircreeven), he baptised his daughter in magiligan presbyterian church and he lived ballywildrick Coleraine. I have searched magilligan and dunboe presbyterian church for his baptisim and have had no luck, i have also searched all the graveyards in magilligan, dunboe, caslterock and limavady and have found no one before him! So i am going to try and see if i can find his parents in ballykelly presbyterian church. Where would presbyterians in magilligan go then to be baptised? It is pretty much guaranteed that he was baptised as he attended this dunboe presbyterian church (1st). I have a slight memory seeing a john cummins (which is in the griffiths valuation.) and a annie cummins somewhere, could someone try and find imformation about him- parents or even anyone before him as its a real struggle to find anything at all before him. (besides 1740 census.) If possible could someone actually look up the 1831 census of limavady or even magilligan and try and find cummins and tell me what it says thanks. ;D
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The following were head of households in 1831
Killowen Killowen [part of Coleraine] Elizabeth Cumming
Aghanloo Ballycarton George Cummins
Magilligan Ballymaclary Thomas Cummins
Magilligan Carnowry John Cummins
Magilligan Oughtymoyle Patrick Cuming
Magilligan Tircreven David Cumming
Magilligan Tircreven Henry Cumming
Magilligan Tircreven Samuel Cumming jnr
Templemore Ballyarnet Joseph Cummins
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Aw thanks you are great! That means that my surname was cumming and that harry cumming is most certainly related to me in the 1740 census he must be my great great great great great grandfather! ;D
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Spelling of names was not consistant and it was not uncommon to find the same person recorded in one diocument under variations of the same name. Therefore, you can't assume a person isn't related or is related based solely on the name.
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Spelling of names was not consistant and it was not uncommon to find the same person recorded in one diocument under variations of the same name. Therefore, you can't assume a person isn't related or is related based solely on the name.
No its not that its the location of john cummins that i am certain about as their is a harry cumming in the 1740 census right there, now i know my surname was cumming aswell.
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There might be a connection but you really cannot assume so. My great-great-grandmother came from a townland where there were 17 families with the same surname but they weren't all related.
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There might be a connection but you really cannot assume so. My great-great-grandmother came from a townland where there were 17 families with the same surname but they weren't all related.
Oh i see what you mean but since their is very little of us in the area thats what i'm thinking but we shall have to see.
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Certainly keep the information in mind but I think it will be very, very difficult to find any proof of a connection with so few records from that period.
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Certainly keep the information in mind but I think it will be very, very difficult to find any proof of a connection with so few records from that period.
Yep i agree if only they were church of ireland. :-[
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Gortinamina you are great too, the listings you have for George Cummings of Ballycarton in the 1831 Census was definately an ancestor of mine. Do know where I can go to get a copy of that listing?
Thanks,
Summerhill
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The following were head of households in 1831
Killowen Killowen [part of Coleraine] Elizabeth Cumming
Aghanloo Ballycarton George Cummins
Magilligan Ballymaclary Thomas Cummins
Magilligan Carnowry John Cummins
Magilligan Oughtymoyle Patrick Cuming
Magilligan Tircreven David Cumming
Magilligan Tircreven Henry Cumming
Magilligan Tircreven Samuel Cumming jnr
Templemore Ballyarnet Joseph Cummins
I hear that this census gives number of males females and religions, do you have that imformation, if you do could you please give it too me. As i'm trying to locate my great great great grandfather.
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Microfilm of the 1831 census is in PRONI, NAI [and Ballymena Library].
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Microfilm of the 1831 census is in PRONI, NAI [and Ballymena Library].
Ok its alright then it dosen't matter i'll just assume that hes in the fathers house
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Was looking at records and i got george cummin marrying elizabeth in ballykelly presbyterian church in april 1707, i thought it was illegal for presbyterians to marry then, my dad says that we couldn't be related to them because they have no "s" ::) he won't listen to me. I am almost certain i am related as we are the only cummins in limavady/coleraine area as its a very rare name in northern ireland, is there any way for me to relate myself to them and try and find their children? As i would love to do that.
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Anyone? I take it you can't do that then? *sigh* sick of banging into bloody brick walls!
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perhaps the clergyman wrote his own interpretation of the name in the register. This did happen quite frequently. Also could you try and search the ballykelly parish baptism register for children born of that union and see what way the clergyman spelt the name ? Working from that you can then try and see did any of those children marry in the parish or whom they married and keep working forward.
Hope this helps.
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perhaps the clergyman wrote his own interpretation of the name in the register. This did happen quite frequently. Also could you try and search the ballykelly parish baptism register for children born of that union and see what way the clergyman spelt the name ? Working from that you can then try and see did any of those children marry in the parish or whom they married and keep working forward.
Hope this helps.
Yes i know that , but my dad won't listen to me! ugh but at least i know. They were the only two people in the whole register know by my name, the records have baptisims before their marriage so they won't have had any children and they would've been born before the 1699, obviously lol, and the ones after them are in the 1800s when my family where in magilligan and dunboe so they woul't need to attend ballykelly i'm thinking they are probably in the balkykelly church before that and after 1707, is there anything? As the ballykell church have no reocord of baptisims for 100 years.. they must've been burn't and that would've connecyted me i'm really dearate their has to be something?
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anyone?
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Hi again. ;) Sorry for starting another thread but i can't stop when i start so here goes again. I was just wondering is there anyway to connect my george cummin that i found in 1707 to anyone in scotland or at least find his parents or birth date and place? :-\ Thanks for all your help.
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Here i go again... does anyone know of these people in derry under the name cumming, who are they i have never heard of them is there any way of me connecting upto them? Could someone also suggest to me why they would be church of ireland when they should be scottish planters so it would make sense to be presbyterian? Here they are:
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They are all in the st columns cathedrale... i presume they are all of the same name its just that the minister has used different spellings.. could someone please try and figure out who they are or find out extra info thanks.
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Hi, would it be possible to find Jame’s (1810 moved from Magilligan to Dunboe) wife - Matilda’s Maiden name any other way than with marriage records?
Matilda is listed as being James of Ballywildricks wife in 1st Dunboe grave records.
I know he had three additional children, Rachel and Maragaret, Jane, Elizabeth and Mary Anne, however, I cannot find their baptisms.
Every avenue that I go down seems to bring a brick wall. Would their even be a chance of finding anything in Newspaper records?
Thanks.
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Hi, would it be possible to find Jame’s (1810 moved from Magilligan to Dunboe) wife - Matilda’s Maiden name any other way than with marriage records?
Matilda is listed as being James of Ballywildricks wife in 1st Dunboe grave records.
I know he had additional children to my GG Grandfather - Rachel and Maragaret, Jane, Elizabeth and Mary Anne, however, I cannot find their baptisms.
Every avenue that I go down seems to bring a brick wall. Would their even be a chance of finding anything in Newspaper records?
Thanks.
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I might be years late to the party but here is my info. My 2 x Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Cummins, spelt Kimmons on her son's birth certificate. (1838) She was born around 1818, she married John Smyth in Ballykelly and it is noted that she came from Tully Townland. She had at least two boys, John and James (have DNA links to the James line) I think her Father was Samuel, but that is because I was contacted by a Grandson of the Sammy that was born in 1900. He was raised in Limavady, son of Kenneth Cummins. The complication here is that I am also related to Sammy's Mother, so our DNA match could potentially be to the Holmes side and not the Cummins. I am assuming that my Cummins are the Magilligan branch because my dominant matches are to the McCurrys of Myroe who were fisherfolk in between Magilliagn and Moville. The Gedmatch No for my Mum, who is 94 and still kicking, is A340760.
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I might be years late to the party but here is my info. My 2 x Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Cummins, spelt Kimmons on her son's birth certificate. (1838) She was born around 1818, she married John Smyth in Ballykelly and it is noted that she came from Tully Townland. She had at least two boys, John and James (have DNA links to the James line) I think her Father was Samuel, but that is because I was contacted by a Grandson of the Sammy that was born in 1900. He was raised in Limavady, son of Kenneth Cummins. The complication here is that I am also related to Sammy's Mother, so our DNA match could potentially be to the Holmes side and not the Cummins. I am assuming that my Cummins are the Magilligan branch because my dominant matches are to the McCurrys of Myroe who were fisherfolk in between Magilliagn and Moville. The Gedmatch No for my Mum, who is 94 and still kicking, is A340760.
Hi, I just tested your mum’s Gedmatch with my father and myself, we both share 0cm’s.
I have also tested Cummings’ Gedmatch kits from the Limavady area, I do not match with them either. I think there is definitely two different families in the Limavady/Magilligan area.
I was told that the Cummings branch came from the Glasgow area originally. I have tested my own line with Big Y and mostly have southern Scotland matches.
I have no idea why there are two different surname spellings in the Limavady area. I am sure it’s possibly an NPE, or just two separate families that lived in close proximity. It has always mystified me, my father insists we are all from the same line, though I am consistently not finding any genetic links!
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Hi OwenC
There were two Cummings Families in the Magilligan Area. There were Cummings in Tircrevan and Cummings in Ballycarton. My 5X Great Grandfather George Cummings was born in Paisley, Scotland , in 1778 and came to Limavady in early 1800's. The Tircreven Cummings and Ballycarton Cummings were related. I dont know if you have this book but there is quite a lot of records of Cummings families who attended Magilligan Presbyterian Church. Its called The Presbyterians of Magilligan Ancestry Guide 1600-1900 by S.T Mc Cracken.
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Hi OwenC
There were two Cummings Families in the Magilligan Area. There were Cummings in Tircrevan and Cummings in Ballycarton. My 5X Great Grandfather George Cummings was born in Paisley, Scotland , in 1778 and came to Limavady in early 1800's. The Tircreven Cummings and Ballycarton Cummings were related. I dont know if you have this book but there is quite a lot of records of Cummings families who attended Magilligan Presbyterian Church. Its called The Presbyterians of Magilligan Ancestry Guide 1600-1900 by S.T Mc Cracken.
Hi Summerhill, I have communicated with S on several different occasions. I think that I briefly touched on this book, as far as I know there is little on my 'Cummins' line in the book - at least prior to 1814. I do have access to all of the Cummins records in the Magilligan Presbyterian church, the difficulty is that a lot of the names are used repeatedly so it is difficult to assign these people to my tree. I do know that my GG and GGG Grandfather was Christened there.
As I said in the previous post, I don't match autosomally with any of the 'Cumming's' branches in the Limavady area. I know that there was two separate branches at least as far back to the 1831 census and perhaps the 1740 census.
1831 Cummins - https://bit.ly/3sT7vup
1831 Cuming - https://bit.ly/3egYLdw
I am not sure that these two branches are related or if my line is an NPE, through adoption or some other means.