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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Franlynch on Thursday 07 October 10 23:07 BST (UK)
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Hi there, I am so confused by the absence of someone on the census also,
trying to find the following family:
Brady John 48 1863 Male Head of Family Co Cavan Ruan
Brady Rose Anne 20 1891 Female Daughter Co Mayo Ruan
Brady Thomas Sylvester 17 1894 Male Son Co Mayo Ruan
Brady John 15 1896 Male Son Co Mayo Ruan
Brady Winifred 7 1904 Female Daughter Ruan
this is how they appear on the 1911 census but I am unable to find any of them on the 1901 census, i have searched each name, tried variations and searched all counties and can't find them. please help.
maybe i am missing them as i have been looking for ages now - RoseAnne Brady is my grandmother but I am trying to track down cousins also.
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In 1911 the family are in Ruan Commons, Ruan D.E.D., Co. Clare- birthplaces are given as counties and Ruan not included:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Ruan/Ruan_Commons/352157
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Hi there, yes, I have them on the 1911 census, it's the 1901 census that i can't find any trace of them on. thank you for replying - i will try the 1901 census again this morning.
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Had another go at finding the family and got one possobility with an idea of why they are so difficult to find in 1901 but I could be totally mistaken. Any idea of who, when and where John Brady married?
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Hi again,
Yes and No:
John Brady 1862 - 1939
Married Mary Burke and had 5 children
Roseanne (1890 - 1958)
Alice - dates unknown
James 1892 - ?
Thomas 1893 - ?
John 1895 - ?
I do not know when they got married but I do know that she died quite young and he then married a Mary Anne Miller (whose maiden name was unfortunately also Burke) - she died in childbirth in 1903 (Child born was Winifred).
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Alice, James, Thomas and John are with their granny Bridget Burke in Cappaduff east, Mayo in 1901. There is a John Brady an RIC constable in Fermanagh who was born in Cavan but he is living with his wife Maggie!
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John Brady married Mary Ann Miller 3rd quarter 1902 in Mayo.
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Good chance that your Rosannne was Rosanna Brady, a visitor in the house of Patrick and Ellen Farrelly in Carraroe South in Galway. Patrick was an RIC constable. A Patrick Farrelly married an Ellen Burke in the Ballinrobe Registration district in 3rd quarter 1889. So Ellen was possibly/probably Rosanna's aunt.
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Hi there,
Thank you so so much for putting all this info together. Things are starting to make sense now and it's put me in the right direction to my next piece of information.
My mother received some money, a minimal amount i must add, back in 1997 due to her being the 2nd cousin, twice removed of an alice farrely. Alice's nephew, a Patrick Raymond Kelly died intestate on 1st April 1984 - he was a bachelor with no blood relative living apart from his Aunt, Alice. I have been trying for ages to figure out how the farrelly's came into our family and i now see that it must be through Mary Burke's (my mother's grandmother on her mother's side) sister marrying into the farrelly family.
Thank you again for your help and I also had success on the other side of the tree today when I managed by pure chance to make contact with descendants of Thomas Brady, a brother to John. What a crazy day it has been.
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1911 census- John Brady Pensioner 48, Widower born Co. Cavan, his children Rose Anne, Thomas Sylvester, John and Winifred were born in Co. Mayo you will find this information on page 2 of the census.
Lived at 10 Ruan Commons, Ruan Clare
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Thanks, I got that, it's helped towards me tracking the farrelly connection - everyone has been so helpful
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1911 census- John Brady Pensioner 48, Widower born Co. Cavan, his children Rose Anne, Thomas Sylvester, John and Winifred were born in Co. Mayo you will find this information on page 2 of the census.
Lived at 10 Ruan Commons, Ruan Clare
The link already given in reply #1 on this thread (on Thursday). If posting census details please post link to the information to save others searching for what you've already found.
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www.mayoancesters.com www.mayoancestors.com
Already mention on this page, Bourke, also a Mary Burke married a John Brady in South Mayo in 1889
on the ancester site: Thomas Silvester Brady born 1893, Rose Anne Born 1889, John 1895 records from 1850-1900
it only has initial for parents father JB mother MB
if you need more information on this site you have to pay.
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Thank you
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Came across by chance John Brady, Sergeant R.I. Constabulary, 38, Widower born Cavan on the County Clare Census of Ireland, 1901, from Police Barracks, District of Kilclogher, townland Mahonburg DED number 34/5/1
http://www.clarelibrary.ie
or go through www.google.com type in box - Bradys of Ruan County Clare
on the census for ireland, only the people in the house at the time of the census calling are on the census, and sometimes the ages are not right.
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Rathmorr
that's great, thank you so much
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it look like John Brady children were living at 8 Mahonburgh, Clare in 1901, but when you look on the census and type Brady it will not take you to the House, John Brady on the census come under the initial B, so it you have not found it. www.census.nationalarchives.ie
than you click on Browse Census, then click on 1901, then click on Clare, then click on Kilcloher, then click on Mahonburgh then go down the page to no. 8. Letter B.
then click on House and Building Return (Form B1) it say John had two rooms and there was 5 of them.
Kilclogher on the County Clare site is spelt different of the census Kilcloher as above.
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Rathmore
That's why I couldn't find them then - I would not have thought of doing that - thank you again for all your help. I am so glad I found this website, it's been invaluable to me doing my research.
Thanks again to you and all.
Fran
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Sorry I might be wrong about the children living with John Brady at no. 8 Mahonburgh, I think it is the other Police men. Have you been in touch with the police they might be able to help you. I think you would have to call in at the police station or write them a letter.
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Police stations will not have records of former officers but records are likely to be held some like National Archives. Perhaps someone else will be able to provide details of where to contact for service records.
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You could try The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey. TW9 4DU
Http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
or Proni RIC records kept on microfilm
www.proni.gov.uk
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Hi All,
That's been a great help, thank you again - I shall check out the options and see what I find.
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PRONI is now closed until April 2011 but their e-catalogue can still be looked at online at www.proni.gov.uk
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There was a Police Barracks at no. 18 Ruan Commons and a Teacher called Hugh Brady living at no. 16 Ruan Commons. So it is possible that your John Brady was transfered from Manonburg to Ruan do you know when he was pensioned.
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I don't I'm afraid - and I have become confused by an earlier post - I may have to open this thread again -
Good chance that your Rosannne was Rosanna Brady, a visitor in the house of Patrick and Ellen Farrelly in Carraroe South in Galway. Patrick was an RIC constable. A Patrick Farrelly married an Ellen Burke in the Ballinrobe Registration district in 3rd quarter 1889. So Ellen was possibly/probably Rosanna's aunt.
This doesn't make sense because Ellen was 22 when census was taken in 1901 which would mean she was 10 when she got married >:(
Do you have facility to check marriage date?
All help is greatly appreciated
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Sorry. That 1889 for the marriage date of Patrick Farrelly and Ellen Burke should have been 1899. Culbaire.
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ah, that makes a bit more sense although they all seemed to get married so young back then - thank you.
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1901 census Mary Miller age 30 (Widow) living at 11 Cappaduff East, Cappaduff Mayo with her mum and dad
Michael (64) and Winefred (62) Bourke
so I guess that why they call there daughter that was born in 1903 Winefred.
If this is the right person?
It would be better for you if you could get hold of John Brady police records. Have you been in touch with the police in ireland for any advice.
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Rathmore,
I am living in Ireland so I can contact them no problem, I have a cousin who I think has his Police Records and I will be chatting to him later tonight or tomorrow so I can find out then. You have been very good getting this info together for me, thank you.
Talk soon,
Fran
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not sure where in Ireland you are located, but the RIC records are available on microfilm in Dublin City Library (Pearse St).
see : Irish Constabulary Records 1816 - 1922 (http://www.dublincity.ie/RecreationandCulture/libraries/Heritage%20and%20History/Family%20History/Pages/royal_irish_constabulary_records.aspx)
Shane
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Shane
Thanks, we are in Cork but Dublin is not too far with our wonderful roads :-[
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apparently since the last set up upgrades you can drive from Cork to Dublin in about 2 1/2 hours now ... at legal speeds. Although there are tolls involved
Shane
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That's correct, tolls are not good though, too dear. I am now looking for info on alice Brady who I believe went to the us, along with her brothers, should I request this on the us board?
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I am now looking for info on alice Brady who I believe went to the us, along with her brothers, should I request this on the us board?
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probably better to post a query about this on the US section.
as for searching for the immigration record - if the date is 1892 or later you could try the Ellis Island website.. see : http://www.ellisisland.org
Shane
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I found a record for alice Brady travelling to new York in october 1912 aged 24 - I am not able to confirm yet if it's our alice but it stated she was from ennis so I guess I'll post on us forum for more detailed info of maybe who she was with or going to, thanks
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You should be able to view both pages of passenger manifest on Ellis Island site so you can see for yourself all the details.
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I will double check, I have only ever viewed the record, I wil try to view the manifest in the morning - too tired now, been on web since 6 pm yawn
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Hi Frank, I have been trying to research the decendants of Patrick Farrelly & Ellen Burke but with very limited sucess.
Your Burke ancestor must be Ellen's sister so any information you could share would be most appreciated & I can give you some additional information on the Brady side of your family.
Regards, Pat
Hi there, I am so confused by the absence of someone on the census also,
trying to find the following family:
Brady John 48 1863 Male Head of Family Co Cavan Ruan
Brady Rose Anne 20 1891 Female Daughter Co Mayo Ruan
Brady Thomas Sylvester 17 1894 Male Son Co Mayo Ruan
Brady John 15 1896 Male Son Co Mayo Ruan
Brady Winifred 7 1904 Female Daughter Ruan
this is how they appear on the 1911 census but I am unable to find any of them on the 1901 census, i have searched each name, tried variations and searched all counties and can't find them. please help.
maybe i am missing them as i have been looking for ages now - RoseAnne Brady is my grandmother but I am trying to track down cousins also.
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No Problem Pat, on the iPhone at the moment - will give u info later from laptop, if not then tomorrow - glad to make your acquaintance
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Thank you so much, I really look forward to hearing from you.
I have just spent the last few days in Galway & Mayo trying to get something concrete on this family but was not very successful so just decided to Google the few names I did have & got a link to your information ;)
Thanks again.
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Hi Pat,
I've looked on my tree and indeed Ellen Farrelly (nee Burke) is a sister of my great grandfather's 1st Wife, Mary Burke. The only info I have on them though is that she married Patrick Farrelly and had children Mary Ann Farrelly (1900), Ellen (1901), Alice (1903) and Patrick M (1906). I can do some further research here if you wish and if you send me your e-mail address I can give you a link to my tree. I will try to find out more on the Farrelly side for you but would be interested to hear any info you have on the Brady side also if you wouldn't mind.
Fran
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Email addresses are not permitted in posts, but you can exchange them using the personal message system. At the moment simon18 only has two posts so may not yet have full access.
see : http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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Sorry,
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simon18 sent me a test Personal Message ok, so keep an eye out for one to you...
S.
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HI -I am looking for a James Joseph Brady, born in 1890 in Ireland...had 9 siblings, father named John...mothers name unknown.
Placed in an orphanage when they were little....not sure at what age.....moved to Canada when he was between 14-18.
Do you think they are the same?
Anne
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Welcome grandpasearch1
With only a little information we can often still find out much about our ancestors however you may need just a little more than a name, father's name and approx. birth year, especially with a common name.
Can I suggest than you start a specific topic on the Ireland board giving all the information that you have and we can start from there to help you to search.
e.g. include religion, how you are aware of he having siblings and their suspected names etc.
I'll have a look now and see if I can see anything initially for you
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My James Joseph Brady was born in 1892 with Father John but they never went to Canada. I don't think they are the same family;
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This is tough! Thank you for getting back to me....one thing we do know for sure is that he came to Canada...his birthdate...not completely 100%...ah well!
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don't be put off - some people only have a name and find enough to research eventually
any small piece of information could be vital e.g. if you locate his immigration records who he travelled with; who were witnesses to his marriage or sponsors to his children; what he named his children, etc. all provide clues
best of luck ;)
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Thank you for the encouragement - I'm not giving up!!