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I am researching Mary Dalrymple Maclagan who died in Perthshire 7 January 1915. The National England & Wales Probate Index indicates that "confirmation" was given by her sister, but the only other information is "Sealed in London 10 April 1915". No cash figure given.
What does sealed mean? I've looked at various sites and have not found anything useful.
Help welcomed!
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It's to do with her having a Scottish will.
There is some info here
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&407
I'll try and dig out some other info.
Dawn
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Hi
The sealed wills/grants in the probate index are when property or money in a bank, a trust fund etc are outside the jurisdiction of the country where the will is being proved. In this case the 'outside' country is England or Wales and the country the will is being proved in is Scotland.
Probates resealed (scroll down)
(The explanation is from The National Archives of Scotland so what is being explained is where the term resealing is occurring in the Scottish will index for wills being proved 'outside' of Scotland)
http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/wills.asp
Regards
Valda
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Thank you Valda and Dawnsh, you have answered my question. Thank goodness for the rootschat community!
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Thank you Valda and Dawnsh, you have answered my question. Thank goodness for the rootschat community!
Well said as I was searching for the answer to the same question!
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Thank you Valda and Dawnsh, you have answered my question. Thank goodness for the rootschat community!
Well said as I was searching for the answer to the same question!
Me too. My great uncle's will was probated in Llandudno in '46
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Me too. My great uncle's will was probated in Llandudno in '46
The Principal Probate Registry moved from London to Llandudno (North Wales) during WWII.
Added- reverted to London in 1946 apparently-
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksro/1946/320/pdfs/uksro_19460320_en.pdf
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Sorry to ressurect this thread but can I check a couple of things related to this please?
If someone died in Dunbartonshire in March 1947, would their probate have been sealed in London because there was no office in Scotland to deal with it? It was sealed to his two sisters who both lived in Dunbartonshire as well. As an aside, it looks as if the three of them never married but lived to ripe old ages. Unusual?
If I ordered a copy of the probate now, bearing in mind it was sealed at the London office, what exactly would I be sent, if they could send me anything at all!
Cheers
Stuart
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My great-uncle's will was sealed at London, Probate in Nairobi.
My daughter went to Holborn for me.
She asked them for a copy of the Will, which they said there was, but I got a letter saying "no record"
regards eadaoin
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Hi
Have you checked for a Scottish will as he lived and died in Scotland? If property was owned in England or Wales then the information given in the previous post would apply
'The sealed wills/grants in the probate index are when property or money in a bank, a trust fund etc are outside the jurisdiction of the country where the will is being proved. In this case the 'outside' country is England or Wales and the country the will is being proved in is Scotland.'
http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/wills.asp
You wouldn't find anything in the probate registry for England and Wales other than the indexed reference to the fact it was sealed.
Regards
Valda
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I understand the reasons for a Will being sealed (I found a Belfast Will - 1958 - sealed in London). GOV.UK said something about a 50 yr period but they haven't explained what that is. Can anyone help please? I tried contacting them again, but to no avail!
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"Sealed" means that probate was applied for in another jurisdiction from England/Wales.
Probate has to be applied for in each jurisdiction (e.g. property or shares in England?) so that the legal niceties can be observed.
My friend died a few years ago in the Isle of Man; but because she had inherited shares from her father, probate was applied in both IOM and England.
Granted in IOM; Sealed in England.
Other (legal) jurisdictions include Scotland, Northern Ireland, Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey and Republic of Ireland.
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I understand the reasons for a Will being sealed (I found a Belfast Will - 1958 - sealed in London). GOV.UK said something about a 50 yr period but they haven't explained what that is.
If I remember correctly, for a will proved elsewhere before 1963 and sealed in England, the probate registry keeps a copy of the sealed will for only 50 years. So they probably no longer have a copy of your sealed will from 1958.
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Stupid question perhaps! I have the same problem with two wills from 1948, both sealed London. Response from GRO saying that they are not able to provide copies of the wills - OK! BUT as both my wills were for a couple from Glasgow - might I be able to obtain copies from Scotland? :-\
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Yes, assuming that probate was originally granted in Scotland.
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Oohh that might be interesting! Thank you.
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Thank you so much, BookBox. Why coudl GOV.UK not be bothered to tell me that?!