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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: CLT on Saturday 02 October 10 18:36 BST (UK)
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From his army discharge papers I have discovered my GG grandfather Francis Martin was born in Allen, Kildare. Francis was born in 1837 and although I have details of his marriage, army career, children and his death in Ballymahon, Longford, I cannot find his birth recorded.Can anyone help me with the parish church names in Allen and advise if I'm likely to find a record of his baptism? I have come up empty handed despite searching many online records. I know from Francis's marriage certificate that his father Henry was an agricultural labourer and was already dead by the time he married in 1862 but I haven't been able to find his mother's name or that of any siblings and would really be grateful for any help. :)
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what religion was the Martin family ?
(the parishes and records available are different depending on the religion..)
Shane
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Sorry- they were RC. Thanks
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As far as I can see the RC parish for the area is named 'Allen & Milltown' - see : details of records (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Kildare&parish=Allen&churchid=686) (Irish Times)
Records available include baptisms and marriages from 1820, and are available on microfilm Pos. 4206 in the National Library.
Shane
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Thanks Shane-will have to see if I can get over :)
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The pay-website of the Irish Family History appear to have RC records for the parish of Allen - see : http://kildare.rootsireland.ie
note RC baptism records dont usually include occupations, but will normally include mother's maiden surname.
Shane
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Thanks Shane - I've already tried looking for him there, without luck. Do you have any other suggestions?
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The IFHF/RootIreland website and the films in the National Library are your best chance. The Kildare record transcipts on that website seem quite good.
Did you find any Martin families around the right time and parish in the records you checked ?
Shane
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Shane,
Haven't been able to narrow it down to the parish but there are plenty of possible siblings in Kildare around the same time he was born-too many to check them all out, cost wise. I was surprised to find he had been born there because most successive ancestors were born in Ballymahon. I'll keep digging, thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it-this really is my brick wall at present!
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I know it's 10 years out.. but this is the only F. Martin baptism I see in the index for Allen RC parish within 10 years of 1837
Baptism Frank Martin 1827
Father's name matches for Henry
Shane
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Shane- thanks- I'll look into it further- I'm not the sole user of my PC so can't always reply immediately-thanks for your help!
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hello clt
i live near allen, i can do a bit of searching for you if you like.
best wishes
cyril walsh
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Cyril, that would be wonderful ! I would love to find out Francis's mothers name and anything about his father Henry, or siblings. Thank you
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hi clt
just found something for you in the marriage sheets i have.
married in allen church.
28 11 1848 henry martin, baronstowns anne taylor, baronstown.
could this be the henry mentioned.
best wishes
cyril
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Hi Cyril, I think Henry was born before that. He was Francis's father. I have 3 conflicting dates of birth for Francis now 1) from his army discharge papers which state he was born in Allan 1834, 2) from his wedding certificate which states he was 29yrs in 1862 ie born 1833 and 3) from his death certificate which states he was 50 years old in 1881 ie born 1831. Shanew147 on this thread says he found a Frank Martin born in 1827 who's father was Henry. I am more confused than ever and still don't know his mothers name! I wonder if the Henry you have found could be his brother?
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hi clt
when i re read the marriage i realised i made an error, but i would say he is related.
baronstown is just next to allen, hopefully tuesday i will have more info for you.
best wishes
cyril
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hi clt,
i'm just back from the parochial house in allen.
francis was baptised 04 04 1827 parents henry martin and mary kane or kean milltown.
he had brothers michael1824, pathrick 1832, sisters mary 1834, anne 1837.
also on that page david martin son of david martin and sarah halpin baronstown.
anne martin daughter of john martin and anne byrne ballintine.
anne martin daughter of patt martin and mary lennon ballyteigue.
all these locations are in the parish of allen.
if i can help you further dont hesitate to ask
best wishes
cyril
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Cyril,
Many many thanks for taking such a lot of time on this- I am really grateful for all this information! At last a definate date of birth for Francis! And brothers and sisters- that's more than I hoped for. Do you think the other baptisms mentioned will be Henry's siblings children? I'll have to come back to them when I've done a bit more research on Francis's generation!
Is it strange that Francis joined the army and gave a date of birth seven years later than his real one? Does anyone have any thoughts on this? The men in our family are small in stature so he probably could have got away with saying he was 17yrs 6 months when he was actually 24, but what would be the advantage in that?
Cyril thank you for your offer, which I will accept, once I've had time to process what you've collected and you've had time to rest! My 81year old cousin will be delighted to hear this news- thank you for being such a star !
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hello again
found another anne martin married to james mc donagh one child recorded in allen.
06 05 1849 james mc donagh
cyril
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Thanks Cyril - do you think there's any chance of finding birth/marriage dates of Henry and these siblings , David John and Patt or am I expecting too much? It would be amazing to go back another generation. I can't find a birth for Henry on Rootireland-maybe his father originated elsewhere?
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hi clt
i think the births and marriages only go back as far as the 1820.
did you find any more names for your tree from around here.
if you did let me know,and i'll see what i can find out for you.
best wishes
cyril
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Cyril,
I've managed to find Henry Martin's marriage to Mary Kearns on 28.11.1818 at Kildare RC church. When you get a minute would you have a look at the record for me and see what other information is included?If there was a father for Henry it would mean I could start looking at another generation.
Hope this isn't asking too much.
Regards
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hello again clt
i have some baptisms for henry and mary but she is called mary kane or kean,
spelling was very bad years ago.
30 09 1824 michael
04 04 1827 frank
22 02 1832 pathrick
25 09 1834 mary
11 07 1837 ann
there is also a david martin married to sarah halpin one child.
27 12 1857 david also from baronstown.
no sign of any parents for henry or mary yet, but if i can i will try a search of milltown graveyard.
in the new year.
hope this is of some help to you. and if i can be of more assistance dont hesitate to ask.
happy christmas
cyril
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Thanks Cyril and a Happy Christmas to you!
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Hi CLT,
I'm wondering if my Martin family and your Martin family might be related. I've been told that my relatives William Martin and Elizabeth McGovern Martin were from either Carbury or Derrinturn which I know is about 18 km from Allen. I don't know dates for them, but they had at least one son named Dennis Patrick Martin born 14 Apr 1834 who immigrated to the US in 1866. Have you come across these names before in your research?
Thanks!
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Hi BChibs-I haven't identified a William yet but it is possible he was related living so near.William is also a name which crops up regularly in our family eg William Henry.I also wonder if Henry ( my ggg grandfather) moved around quite a bit as he was an agricultural labourer.
I am still researching Henry's siblings in a hope of finding who his father was.
Dennis Patrick may have been a nephew of Henry and a cousin to Frank, Michael,Patrick, Mary and Anne all born between 1824 and 1837. I'll keep him in mind while researching and let you know if I gind anything.
Thanks for getting in touch and hopefully we'll find a connection.