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Title: Morgan Coal
Post by: ldavies on Saturday 02 October 10 18:29 BST (UK)
Hey

My great grandmother was said to have inherited a coal merchant business? in Porth Glamorgan.

Her name was Sarah Morgan married name Davies was wondering if anyone could help me find out weather this is true?
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: heddwch on Saturday 02 October 10 18:37 BST (UK)
Hello there,
Do you have anymore details regarding Sarah or her husband.
Thankyou
Heddwch
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: ldavies on Saturday 02 October 10 19:00 BST (UK)
Yeah, i know that she married John Morgan Davies and lived in either Dinas or Porth (which would come under Pontypridd)

This would be them:

Marriages Dec 1921   
Morgan    Sarah    Davies    Pontypridd    11a   1244   
Davies    John M    Morgan    Pontypridd    11a   1244    
 
Then they had 5 children, one being Daniel Davies. I know John was a soldier during ww1 aswell.
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: cardiff on Saturday 02 October 10 22:49 BST (UK)
Hi
On the marriage certificate how old was john and sarah? did they give their adddress and what was John 's occupation , what was there fathers names and occupation. If you have this info have you found them on the 1911 census?
The info on the coal business may be on that census?
sometimes you have to go back to go forward.
The info you gave is to liitle with names as Davies and Morgan in Porth/ Dinas.
cheers cardiff :)
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: ldavies on Saturday 02 October 10 23:36 BST (UK)
Hey

I unfortunatly dont have a marriage cert, this is all from family knowledge. They address was possibly 45 Aberrhondda road, Porth but im not 100% sure.

John's occupation could possibly have been a Coal Miner, have no idea of Sarah's fathers name but know that he also ran the Coal Merchant business so it would possibly show as Coal Merchant on the marriage cert.

This is most possibly John in 1911 (he was born in 1894 but this is nearest to him)

HOUSEHOLD   DAVIES   JOHN MORGAN   M   1895   16   Pontypridd   Glamorganshire

way too many Sarah Morgan's for me too possibly point out and i know little info on her sadly :(

Lyndsey


Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: cardiff on Sunday 03 October 10 00:18 BST (UK)
Hi
To be sure who you are looking for it looks like you need some form of certificate the marriage certificate will give you all the info I have said , so if you want to find them its the only way.
I think Aberrhondda road is the road leading up to Ynyshir from Porth. if I'm wrong some one will put me right
cheers cardiff ???
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: heddwch on Monday 04 October 10 18:34 BST (UK)
You are  correct Cardiff.
Heddwch
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: heddwch on Monday 04 October 10 18:54 BST (UK)
Hello idavies.

Perhaps Porth Library can help you.

Happy searching
Heddwch
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: ldavies on Monday 04 October 10 19:19 BST (UK)
hi heddwch

ill have to check it out someday :)
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: cardiff on Monday 04 October 10 22:05 BST (UK)
Hi
So you are not going to send for the marriage certificate?
If you do let us know the out come so we might help you
cheers cardiff :)
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: ldavies on Monday 04 October 10 22:28 BST (UK)
Will send for one when i get payed next week.
Will let you know what it says then :)

Lyndsey
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: davieslynds1 on Monday 11 November 13 01:48 GMT (UK)
hi, havnt been on here in a while, I have now got the marriage certificate for Sarah Morgan to John Morgan Davies, his age was 26 and he was living in 4 West Taff Street, Ferndale (its in porth though) and her age was 21 and she was living in 36 Aberrhondda Road, Porth.
His father was David Davies a collier, and hers John Morgan also a collier. Very confusing I know since she also married a John Morgan Davies!!

If anyone could shed some light on this I'd be very grateful, hit a massive brick wall with this side of my family sadly.

Thanks again, Lyndsey
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 11 November 13 22:20 GMT (UK)
Good possibility for John Morgan Davies on 1901, in West Taff St, Porth. All children b Porth

David Davies    46 - coal hewer b Aberporth
Jane Davies    43 - b Cilgerran
Mary J Davies    12
David S Davies    10
John M Davies    5
Daniel Davies    2
Robert Jones    38 - boarder
William Jones    34 - boarder
Henry Thomas    38 - boarder
John M Jones    29 - boarder
   
RG13, 5002, 48, 44.
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 11 November 13 22:23 GMT (UK)
And for Sarah, in Aber Rhondda St. All b Porth, except for Elizabeth, in Ynyshir

John Morgan    30 - coal hewer
Mary Morgan    29
Elizabeth A Morgan    11
Thomas J Morgan    10
William W Morgan    5
Evan Morgan    3
Sarah Morgan    1

RG13, 5018, 171, 25.
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: davieslynds1 on Sunday 17 November 13 00:47 GMT (UK)
hi mabel, thank you very much for these! I have found them on the 1911 census but not on the 1901 so its very handy! Sadly still doesn't shed any light on the coal merchant business as her father is just a collier on her marriage cert :(

I have learnt alot about John Morgan Davies' family but sadly none about Sarah's, so im hoping to now dive into that side, hopefully it wont be too difficult!
Title: Re: Morgan Coal
Post by: ThinkingPositive on Thursday 27 February 14 18:14 GMT (UK)
Looking for the family of Elizabeth Morgan born in 1854 in Middlebrough, Yorkshire, England.  She married a John Emanuel in 1873 in Wales.  Her fathers name on the marriage certificate is listed as Sydney Morgan.  She might have been a teacher or principal in Wales.  Supposedly she came from a prominent family in her town and her father may have owned a coal mine/company. She had a daughter Elizabeth (1875) and possibly a son Ancel (1879) in Wales before heading to America around 1881.