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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: audbr on Friday 01 October 10 21:53 BST (UK)
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Hi
Can any body help?
From the 1881 census I have a Douglas Audley in Broom County Durham.
He gives his place of birth as Starnel, Lancashire.
Can anybody tell me where Starnel is or am I misreading the census?
Thanks for your help
Regards
Brian
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Perhaps Stainall near Garstang? Otherwise known as Stalmine-with-Stainall.
By the way - where is he in 1871, 1861, 1851?
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No I don't think you are misreading the census, I googled it and found the following page
http://members.multimania.co.uk/clydegen/newpage1.html
LANCASHIRE STRAYS IN DURHAM 1881
Lancashire born folk found in Durham
on census night 1881
Your chappie is one of these:
AUDLEY Douglas 1849 Starnel Broom
I tried googling variations of Starnel Broom but can't seem to pin it to any specific area or town!
Sorry.
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No I don't think you are misreading the census, I googled it and found the following page
http://members.multimania.co.uk/clydegen/newpage1.html
LANCASHIRE STRAYS IN DURHAM 1881
Lancashire born folk found in Durham
on census night 1881
Your chappie is one of these:
AUDLEY Douglas 1849 Starnel Broom
I tried googling variations of Starnel Broom but can't seem to pin it to any specific area or town!
Sorry.
He is not from Starnel Broom. His place of birth is Starnel - he is living in Broom - Broom Hill, Durham.
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Hello Brian,
I can't see Douglas before or after 1881 ???
heywood
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Brian,
I think your man is Douglas Handley - probably his Lancashire accent- dropping his 'H'.
best wishes
heywood
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I think heywood has nailed him :) .
Douglas Handley was baptised at Bury in 1849, and usually names Bury as his birthplace.
There is a place named Darn Hill near Bury. Douglas was in lodgings in 1881, and probably didn't fill in his own census details.
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Hi All,
Many thanks for all your suggestions I will follow them up and see where it leads. My interest is in the Audley surname. I have information about approximately 20 Audley Families. If you are interested take a look at my website www.audleyfamilyhistory.com.
Douglas Audley (the subject of my message is) is a complete mystery to me. My goal at the moment is to either add him to one of my existing Audley families or prove he is not a true Audley.
I will follow all your leads particularily Heyward's suggestion that he was really Douglas Handley., and Galium's suggestion of Darn Hill. It will not be the first time I have found a reference to an Audley in the census only to prove they are not an Audley at all. Equally I have found numerous Audley's whose surname was miss spelt in the census returns.
I will folow the leads and keep you informed.
Regards Brian
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Where was you born? Was Darn Hill.
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Hi All,
I think I have made some progress;
but first of all I do not understand Hackstaple's last comment please explain.
I believe Douglas Audley in the 1881 census of Broom Durham born Starnel is really Douglas Handley.
I believe Douglas Handley married Sarah Lambert in Q4 1876 at Dewsbury, and had their first daughter Agnes in Q4 1880. Whilst Douglas Handley was in Broom Durham in the 1881 census, his wife and child were living with her parents in Thornhill Dewsbury. It looks as though Douglas Handley was working away from home at the time of the 1881 census. In the 1891 census the family was living together in Guildersome Yorkshire. In the 1901 census Douglas Handley was in Leeds General hospital and died in Q2 1901 in Bramley,
I cannot find Douglas Handley in the 1851, 1861 or 1871 censuses. Although in the 1871 census there is a Douglas Handley on board HMS Columbine born Lancashire, Bury, Cockennen, however in the 1871 census he is aged 32. This is 10 years to old to fit in with the 1881, 1891 & 1901 censuses.
Thanks once again for all your help
Regards Brian Audley
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Hello Brian,
Douglas is here in 1861 as Duglas:
1861 RG9; Piece: 2839; Folio: 47; Page: 20
born Elton, Bury
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Hi Heywood,
That is definately him in the 1961 census.
He is not living with his parents James & Agnes Handley in the 1871 census, so i presume he is the Douglas Handley on HMS Columbine in 1871.
I have not found him as yet in the 1851 census.
Thanks for your help
Regards
Brian
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Where was you born? Was Darn Hill.
I was illustrating how the census may have recorded Starnhill as his place of birth. Mishearing.
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They are here - transcribed as Manly
1851 HO107; Piece: 2215; Folio: 460; Page: 30
living at Starling, Elton, Bury
wonder if that is Starnell?
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Hi Heywood,
That is definately them in the 1851 census and I think you hace cracked the original puzzle Starnel is Starling
Many thanks to you for solving that puzzle and Many thanks to all who have helped to resolve the problem
I think that I will post another puzzle later today on the message board (hope no one minds)
Regards
Brian
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We can't wait ;D