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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: axlehurn on Friday 01 October 10 17:54 BST (UK)
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I assume that Willian is Captain Sir William Wainright Lynar, and then the problem is after his marriage to Isabella Semple was there a son William Lynar, became rector of Islandmagee from 1849-70.
As you can see I'm working forward and trying to place Olivia Jane Lynar who married my grandfather on Christmas Day in 1899
My problem is the disparity of the dates, he died in 1870 and the marriage was in 1899. He may well have died when she was very young.
But if anyone can shed light on the Lynars around this time I will be very grateful
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Hi axlehurn and welcome to Rootschat :)
You mention Islandmagee - did all these events take place in Ireland? If so I will ask a moderator to move your post to the Ireland boards so that the experts can help you.
Anna
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Yes, this is an wholly Irish trace on this side of the family. A move would probably be a better place to be.
Thanks
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Hi axlehurn - welcome to Rootschat ;D
Are you wondering whether Rev. William Lynar was Olivia Jane's father?
I don't think he was as on the familysearch beta site (https://beta.familysearch.org) his death is recorded on 21 April 1870 at Templecorran, Co. Antrim - William King Lynar, age 51, Church of England Minister, Marital Status: Single
Dazey
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Lynar: Erected by a few friends to the memory of the late Reverend William King Lynar who died at Whitehead on the 21 Apr 1870 aged 51 years. Also of his mother Lady Isabella Lynar who died at same place on the 31 Mar 1870 aged 78 years.
http://irishgenealogy.net/cp/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2322
Monica :)
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this is my problem.
Looking at a wedding record showing Olivia Jane marrying my grandfather and her father was recorded as William Lynar, Rector (deceased??) No mothers name was recorded.
Alan
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Hi Alan
Do you have an age for Olivia from either her marriage cert or census entries after she married?
Monica
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PRONI have a mention of his Will (the actual Will will not survive but the transcription in the Will Book should survive and be on microfilm- unfortunately PRONI is closed until Apr.2011).
"The Will of the Reverend William King Lynar late of Whitehead County Antrim Clerk Rector of Islandmagee deceased who died 21 April 1870 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oath of William Crozier Cunningham of Belfast County Antrim Solicitor the sole Executor. "
William King Lynar and mother Isabella are mentioned in connection with a James Lynar (search for LYNAR to find the entry)-
http://www.tropikkal.com/genealogy/np5.htm
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Hello Monica
Working on that
My grand mother was Oilvia Jane Lynar, whos father was given at the wedding as Rev. William Lynar (rector) The only one I can trace is William a CoI Rector in Islandmagee who died in 1870. The wedding was in 1899, and I cannot find a connection. If he was single (Ooops) if he was married he may well have died shortly after her birth. It would have made her 29 at least when she married, and thats not unreasonable. Haven't found her death notice yet.
Alan
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What was your grandfather's name and maybe we can find them on the 1901/11 censuses www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
Monica
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They eventually lived at 30 Clara Street Belfast but Edmund John Costley gave an address as 51 Bread Street on the wedding record
Alan
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So this would be them in 1901. Olivia's mother showing as Elizabeth and living with them at that time.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000715053/
Monica
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Olivia's age shows much older in 1911:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Clara_Street/220721/
1901, aged 29 so born c. 1871/2. 1911, aged 45 so born c. 1865/6 from this.
Monica
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Where did the marriage take place? I can find no record of it in civil registration index (Ireland) or FreeBMD (England and Wales).
I did find marriage for Edmund John Costley Oct./Dec.1899 Belfast registration district volume 1 page 482 but can't match the details with a bride named Olivia. However, Emerald Ancestors has it in the free index.
Here's the Costley family in 1911 census- Olivia listed as age 45 so born c1866. Since Edmund seems to be younger it's possible she lied about her age so as not to appear too much older than him.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Clara_Street/220721
But in 1901 Olivia and Edmund are the same age-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Clara_Street/1216497
And Olivia's mother Elizabeth is also in the household. The family are all Methodist, including Elizabeth, wihich makes a C. of I connection puzzling.
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Possible death for mother Elizabeth Lynar in civil registration index-
Elizabeth LYNER Jan./Mar.1903 Belfast registration district (age 62 so born c1841) volume 1 page 350.
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I have a record of the marriage from Ancestry Ireland, that give her name as Olivia Jane Lynar so I think that bit is correct. The Elizabeth Lynar could have been her mother. Was she married to Rev William Lynar of Islandmagee.
According to the Methodist Church Archives :-
"The Rev William King Lynar was a Church of Ireland clergyman b. circa 1818 in Dublin. Made a deacon in 1845 and became rector of Islandmagee from 1849-70.
He was son of Capt William Wainwright Lynar, 18th R Irish Regiment.
Died 21 Apr 1870 aged 51 at Whitehead, County Antrim"
My problem is the Rector needs a wife, Elizabeth would have been 29 or thereabouts when he died and if Olivia was born in 1866 or thereabouts this would fit
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If, and in my mind this is still a very big if, Olivia Jane Lynar was the daughter of Rev. William King Lynar then she had to be born before 1870. If the 1911 census is more acurate then she was born c1866 but I can't see a birth registration for her. Also can't find any results of 'Olivia Lynar' (or Olivia Jane/Jane) when searching civil registration index (her marriage should be listed).
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Like you Aghadowey, can't see anything for Olivia Jane regarding births, or a general IGI search for siblings.
Her marriage is listed I think, with some omissions and errors:
Oliver Jane Lynar - Belfast registration district volume 1 page 482 - no year is given on http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
Monica
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Hi Axlehurn,
I was very interested to hear of the possible existance of a wife for Rev William King Lynar and a child. Have you been able to confirm the record with familysearch?
I am descended from the brother of Sir William Wainwright Fawcett Lynar and I have researched the family tree a few generations further up.
Siblings of Rev William include Rowland (also seen spelt Roland) Lynar and Capt. Edward Alexander Fawcett Lynar.
Do you know if Roland Lynar married and had any children? I have found an Alfred Lynar of Belfast in the 1901 census aged 43 which would put his dob around 1857. Alfred had a son Roland which makes me think there may be a connection.
Ion
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The content of the will can now be viewed online, but there is no mention of a daughter:
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=163366
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Have not looked at this for some time, and will need to dig out my records, but from memory he was listed as her father on her marriage record. Mother was not listed. I will get back to you soon as I can dig out the record
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I have found another William Lynar who may have been the father of Olivia. This William Lynar is mentioned in Freemans Journal & Daily Commercial Advertizer Sat Nov 13 1858 under the heading Insolvent Debtors. He once resided at Lower Georges St Kingstown Co Dublin and was a Victualler which probably meant he sold grog. Sir William Wrainwright Fawcett Lynar once resided in Kingstown for a short time but he died in 1845. I do not believe that William the victualler was Sir William's son.
It is more likely I feel after reading William King Lynar's will that he had not married. It would be unusual to provide for ones mother and not mention a wife and daughter in the will. Also Isabella his mother died a few weeks prior to her sons death and the memorial to them says erected by a "few friends". No mention of wife and child.
Ion
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I've found a new Lynar. There was an infants death registered in 28/04/1870 For a Jonathon Joseph Lynar, and the address given is Antrim Street Carrickfergus.
Unfortunately I can't decipher the name of the father or mother in the written text. I'm trying to find who was living in Antrim street at that time, without a lot of success
Alan
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William John Costley born 20 February 1903 in Belfast. MMN Lynar
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1903/01883/1732250.pdf
1911 census in replies #12 & #13
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I've found a new Lynar. There was an infants death registered in 28/04/1870 For a Jonathon Joseph Lynar, and the address given is Antrim Street Carrickfergus.
Unfortunately I can't decipher the name of the father or mother in the written text. I'm trying to find who was living in Antrim street at that time, without a lot of success
Alan
The April 1870 death registration says that he was the 2 year old son of a dressmaker, I imagine this is referring to his mother. The informant of the death was a Lizzie Lynar, no relationship stated.
Consider the following as a possibility for Jonathon Joseph's birth, nearly two years earlier in May 1868 at Larne workhouse, born illegitimately to a mother named Elizabeth [something] Glover, the [something] could be Mary... or could it be King? Open to other opinions.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1868/03445/2265000.pdf
I imagine others reading through this topic so far might have had the same thought as me but decided it was too tenuous and risqué to mention, but I'll just come out and ask it anyway - could Rev. William King Lynar have had one or more relationships out of wedlock, resulting in Olivia Jane... and now also this Jonathon Joseph?
I also wondered about a transcript of a baptism on 4 July 1860 in Christchurch Church of Ireland Belfast (on a subscription website), it was an Alfred "Leior" baptised for parents recorded as William Leior and Elizabeth Glover, the address was Larne (why travel all the way from Larne?) and a note at the bottom of the transcript says "surname unclear - Lei[?]or" - I wish I could see the original entry myself. Anyhow, I think this might read across to the chap that ion identified at reply #18 and their point was well made regarding the co-incidence of the forename Roland/Rowland. Here are the folk in question in 1901 and 1911 (sorry if repeating this):
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Flora_Street/1216866/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Flora/221051/
Here is the marriage of Alfred "Lynas" to Martha Jemphrey at St. Anne's, Belfast, in 1887, while his father was recorded as William, the occupation (labourer) doesn't fit... but in the circumstances could that just be a cover?
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10789/5934775.pdf
I haven't found Alfred's first marriage yet.
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The April 1870 death registration says that he was the 2 year old son of a dressmaker, I imagine this is referring to his mother. The informant of the death was a Lizzie Lynar, no relationship stated.
Consider the following as a possibility for Jonathon Joseph's birth, nearly two years earlier in May 1868 at Larne workhouse, born illegitimately to a mother named Elizabeth [something] Glover, the [something] could be Mary... or could it be King? Open to other opinions.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1868/03445/2265000.pdf
The mother's name is Elizabeth King Glover.
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Interesting, I thought "King" might be a possibility. I have also just noticed that Alfred and Martha's first child Roland was born at their home in... Carrickfergus:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1887/02542/1940984.pdf
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Going back to basics, and remembering that it was customary for marriages to take place in the bride's church ...
Oliver [Olivia] Jane Lynar married 1899 in Mount Pottinger Methodist Church-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10395/5785107.pdf
Father listed as William Lynar, Rector BUT a rector would be Church of Ireland [it would be Minister if Methodist].
In 1901 Olivia and her mother Elizabeth are both Methodists as is Olivia's husband.
In theory we should expect to find an Olivia Jane/Olivia born Co.Antrim with mother called Elizabeth.
I found an Olivia born in Belfast with mother Elizabeth but father Thomas Henry is a printer-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1867/03477/2277747.pdf
I found an Olivia Jane born Larne district but parents don't match up either-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1865/03565/2313349.pdf
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Elizabeth Lyner (Olivia's mother) died 1903 and is listed as widow of William Lyner, Episcopalian Rector (which agrees' with details on Olivia's marriage a few years earlier)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05673/4598307.pdf
I checked Olivia's residence in 1899 but in the Valuation Book for 1897-1905 the property is listed as vacant.
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... I haven't found Alfred's first marriage yet.
This has to be it, a marriage to Jane Surgenor at St. Anne's Belfast in August 1878, as you can see, the civil record is a mess:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11106/8065166.pdf
I say "This has to be it", for this couple went on to have a son Edward in December 1878 ...
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1879/02934/2075187.pdf
... who in turn married Hannah Taylor at Knock Methodist Church in 1901, the civil record shows his father's name as Alfred and an address in Flora Street which is an exact match for the 1901/1911 census returns:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10023/5645832.pdf
I can't yet find a death for Jane (Surgenor) Lynar, but going back to that 1878 Lynar-Surgenor marriage, the headline is that Alfred gave a different father to that in his 1887 record of marriage to Martha Jemphrey, for he named him as Alfred instead of William. So either Alfred didn't know who his father was or there was some "creative" stuff going on.
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I think it's worth adding an overall perspective on how rare the surname Lynar/Lyner was in the north of Ireland (when it wasn't being written as Lynas), a quick search in the 1901/1911 Ireland censuses demonstrates that the only such "local" occurrences were Elizabeth (with daughter Olivia Jane Costley), Alfred (with Martha and children) and his son Edward (with Hannah and child). There's also a William who I think is more properly Lynas / Lynes. But that's largely it.
The name was likewise rare in the street directories on the PRONI and Lennon Wylie websites, where a summary of occurrences is:
- a few mentions of the Reverend himself in the directory period 1858-1870 at Islandmagee BUT... listed at High Street in Carrickfergus in 1852;
- a mention of Elizabeth Lyner at Jonesborough Street in 1899;
- a few mentions of an A. Lyner in the 1890s at Beersbridge Road (same road where Oliva lived at the time of her marriage in 1899), I know this is Alfred because there is a match on this address to the birth registrations for several of his children.
And again, that's it. On top of the rarity of the surname, when you factor in the occupation of "Rector" (much less common than the likes of farmer, weaver, or labourer), then you have something quite specific indeed. Olivia Jane Lynar's 1899 marriage record and her mother Elizabeth's 1903 death record are unequivocal in pointing at Rev. William Lynar. However, the Reverend's death record, his will and the absence of any civil or online church record indicate strongly that the Reverend never married.
When you add in the illegitimate birth of Jonathon Joseph Lynar to Elizabeth "King" Glover and the baptism of an Alfred "Leior" for parents William Leior and Eliza Glover, one starts to wonder if a relationship out of wedlock is possible. It's certainly not impossible, and as Arthur Conan Doyle said through his most famous character, when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth - until someone finds something new to otherwise explain all of this, we are getting closer and closer to that point of conclusion.
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I was thinking along the same lines as gaffy. Found lots more information which proves some of my theory and have some ideas ...
Starting with Elizabeth Glover. I think she was in a long-term relationship with Rev. William King Lynar and they had at least 3 children together-
1. Alfred (bapt. 1860 Belfast)- he was certainly son of Elizabeth (more on this later)
2. Olivia (possibly born before 1864, unregistered or we just haven't found her birth record)
3. Jonathan Joseph (1868-1870). Note that he died 1 week after Rev. Lynar.
William's death lists him as bachelor and Will only mentions his mother with a provision for next of kin according to law if she died first (which she did). It's possible he had previously, and privately, made a provision for Elizabeth and their children. As a Church of Ireland Rector he would not have been able to marry someone of what seems to be a much lower class- family and church would both have objected.
The baptism for Alfred in Belfast shows that he and Elizabeth were in a relationship. It would be interesting to know if he was present or if Elizabeth was the one who had him baptised on her own (more likely perhaps given the strange spelling of his surname- she signed by her mark in 1893).
In 1868 Elizabeth is using the middle name King (William's middle name) but her own surname (Glover). Two years later she is using the surname Lynar when that child dies.
At some point after it looks like Elizabeth Glover moves to Belfast and starts calling herself Lynar. Children Alfred & Olivia also use this surname. Olivia's marriage and Elizabeth's death both reference Rev. William Lynas a Rector (thus Church of Ireland).
Olivia's connection with Elizabeth is pretty clear and I discovered that when Alfred's son David was born in 1893 "grandmother Lizzie Lynar" was the informant-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1893/02318/1868625.pdf
A few years later (1899) Olivia's residence was Beersbridge Road.
Have lots more but will wait until axlehurn reads through all these posts and responds.
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Without a great deal of information I have always wondered if Elizabeth was a housekeeper for The rector, given that he was living with his mother who was some 20 years older than him. I did try to get the financial records for the period to see if there was payment made to a housekeeper but unfortunately the local records were lost in a fire in the church and C of I in Dublin couldn't help either as their records went up in flames in 1922 of thereabouts. Thanks the great work by both Aghadowey and Gaffy I think we can safely say that the rector was Olivia's father. There is only one problem that I see. Olivia died in RVH 13/07/1928 and is recorded as being 55 which would make her birth in 1873.
Personally I'm not to worried about this, as declared ages can change dependant on circumstances and the general lack of records.
I suppose there might be a way to "prove" the relationship if someone in the Dublin Lyner's were to take a DNA test along with myself (I'm the only one left and none to follow on)
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The Larne Reporter & Northern Counties Advertiser of 2 May 1868 carried a report of the routine weekly meeting of the Larne Board of Guardians about the operation of the workhouse. Among the various items discussed was a letter to the Commissioners from an inmate named "Eliza Kane Glover", corroborating a complaint made by the matron against the master and schoolmistress about a child badly treated by the other children. Eliza Kane Glover's letter, as published in full, set out an incident in which her 6 year old daughter had the collar of her slip pulled by an older girl.
Fast forward one week to 9 May 1868, when the same newspaper in the same type of routine weekly report had an item about the Board's discussion of the complaint, which included the following:
The Master - I would also suggest that Eliza Glover be removed from the other inmates, and placed in the separation ward. She has given birth to another child a few days since, and refuses to give the name of its father.
Mr. Burke - That's the woman who wrote to the Commissioners.
Mr. Casement - I would say that she and all such characters should be put into that ward.
Dr. Knox - That is the use of the ward; and the usual practice, in most unions, is to separate from the other inmates all females who have had two or more illegitimate children.
A year and a bit later on 14 August 1869, the same newspaper in the same type of routine weekly report carried the following item:
A woman named Eliza Kane Glover appeared before the Board for the purpose of removing her three illegitimate children from the Workhouse. She had been an inmate for a considerable period, and her children were in great measure reared in the house. She had recently obtained her discharge and that of her children, but had, it appeared, deserted them at Whitehead. They were taken in charge by Mr. Eslar, a Warden, who placed them under a woman named Sharp, who had them conveyed to the Workhouse. The mother made a long rambling statement with reference to the reputed father of the children and his promises to contribute towards their support.
His Lordship suggested that the best thing under the circumstances that could be done was, to allow her to take out the children and instruct the Relieving Officer to look after them; and if it was found that she had again deserted them, to have her arrested and made amenable to the law.
The other members of the Board coincided in this arrangement, and the woman was allowed in the meantime to take out her children.
Presumably the 6 year old daughter mentioned in the newspaper item of 2 May 1868 was Olivia Jane, so that would place her birth c. 1862. The child mentioned as having been born a few days before in the newspaper item of 9 May 1868 must have been be Jonathon Joseph (born on 1 May in the Workhouse according to the birth registration). And presumably Alfred makes up the third of the three children mentioned in the newspaper item of 14 August 1869 (Jonathon Joseph only died the following year).
Interesting stuff. I can pm you copies if required.
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Thankyou gaffy and aghadowey for your research although I am a bit supprised to read that Revd Lynar may have had an affair or secret relationship from at least 1860 to 1870. I am also supprised to read in gaffa's last post, a newspaper extract dated 14 August 1869, stating that Eliza Glover had taken her 3 children to Whitehead and left them with Mr Eslar a Warden. Was he the C of I church warden? Axlehurn's suposition that Eliza was Revd Lynar's housekeeper seems plausible but is not proved. Nor is there any proof that Revd Lynar fathered one or all of the Glover children. It is clear that Eliza Glover had known Revd Lynar but when he prepared his will on 19 May 1869 he made no provision for Eliza Glover nor her children. In fact he left all his estate to his mother, and if she died before him, then to his next of kin. His next of kin would have been his wife and children if they could prove a marriage. As he never married his estate would have been passed on to his brothers Roland Alexander Fawcett Lynar and Edward Alexander Fawcett Lynar. Roland was a member of the Royal Irish Constabulary for a time then emigrated to USA and Edward joined the military in South Africa. I don't think Revd Lynar had a large estate as the Registry of Deeds Memorial Transcriptions appear to show that the rents and tithes from his parish were claimed by James Campbell solicitor in payment of a debt. See 1860.25.193 8/10/1860,1862.33.18 2/9/1862, 1863.22.64 22/6/1863, 1867.3.296 31/1/1867, 1868.8.93 1/3/1868. Will proved showing effects under 450 pounds. Was this before debtors claim? However his estate would have inherited his mothers estate.
It appears from the above memorial transcriptions that the Revd had no money to support a family and unfortunatly Eliza received no sympathy from the press. I am interested in reading the full newspaper articles and hearing further research. Life was difficult in those times.
Another character in my tree Lt. Col David Lynar Fawcett had a liasion with Elizabeth Neale and fathered a child out of wedlock. David later married Anne Frances Porter and had children. He made provision in his will for Elizabeth Neale's girl Clara Elizabeth Neale. He is known for being murdered in one of the last pistol duels in England in 1843.
Ion
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... I am also supprised to read in gaffa's last post, a newspaper extract dated 14 August 1869, stating that Eliza Glover had taken her 3 children to Whitehead and left them with Mr Eslar a Warden. Was he the C of I church warden?
This may have been William or David Esler, two brothers who were prominent in the local (Whitehead) community, as they owned between them a farm of 90+ acres in the immediate vicinity. They would have been aged in their late 60s back then. If not them, then possibly a son like Patrick Esler.
In the context of the newspaper item and poor relief, this reference is more likely to mean that Esler was a warden for his dispensary district, meaning that he could issue tickets for relief (medical or other) within that district. So he would have been a local point of contact in the Whitehead area for accessing such assistance and all related matters.
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... I say "This has to be it", for this couple went on to have a son Edward in December 1878 ...
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1879/02934/2075187.pdf
... who in turn married Hannah Taylor at Knock Methodist Church in 1901, the civil record shows his father's name as Alfred and an address in Flora Street which is an exact match for the 1901/1911 census returns:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10023/5645832.pdf
That son of Alfred Lynar and Jane Surgenor sadly died of his wounds in WW1 on 26 October 1914, he was in the Royal Army Medical Corps:
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/20853/e-lynar/
I mention it because page 7 of the Larne Times of 28 November 1914 carried a very short bio for Edward and a good photograph, if anyone is interested in seeing whether or not the "looks" have carried down from the Rev. William King Lynar's line.
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I suppose Elisa was desparate for support so she travelled from Larne to Whitehead and just abandoned her children there. Surely the community including Dame Isabella must have been aware of Eliza's allegations regarding Revd Lynar, and yet he never recognised his apparent relationship in his will. This suprises me because he had no family in Ireland except his mother as his brothers had emigrated overseas.
I am happy to communicate with Axlehurn should he email me.
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Re Alfred Lynar. I had him as a potential connection to my tree as the son of Rowland A F Lynar never thinking his father may have been the Revd Lynar. Alfred married Martha Jemphrey as shown in the census returns and they had 4 children Roland, David, Hugh and Alfred. There was another child Edward born to Alfred's first wife Jane Surgener (married 5 Aug 1878) born 27 Dec 1878. Edward is not with his father on census night 1901, perhaps with his mother Jane. Edward marries Hannah Taylor in 1909 and moves out of the Flora St address. Alfred and his sons work at the ship yard Harland and Wolff in Belfast where the Titanic was completed in 1912.
David married Rachel Bennett and had 4 children, Roland (Roly),Alfred Edgar, Hugh, and Monica.
Roland (Roly) died August 2007 as reported in the Belfast Telegraph and is survived by his daughter whom I tried to find without success. There is a photo of him in a Freemason journal "The Banner" March 2003 Issue 2 page 12.
Hugh and Monica may have travelled to Canada in 1957. Dont know if they emigrated.
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https://nifootball.blogspot.com/2007/01/davy-lyner.html?m=0
David is possibly in the 1914 picture at: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/how-glentoran-lived-up-to-their-billing-as-one-of-worlds-greats-and-landed-the-vienna-cup-explains-new-book/39945241.html
Another photo of David/Davy when older https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/hes-from-east-belfast-played-for-manchester-united-and-had-european-glory-but-its-not-george-best/41677153.html
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There is a little more information on Alfred Lynar in the RAMC record
https://www.ramc-ww1.com/profile.php?cPath=274_107&profile_id=11695&osCsid=3trdfhd5bkt8dltt2635lvjie5, plus a very poor photograph
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Hugh and Monica may have travelled to Canada in 1957. Dont know if they emigrated.
Possibly Monica's death notice in 2021 (mention of various family members in the messages below the notice):
https://www.catholic-cemeteries.ca/obituary/monica-winifred-lynar/
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You'll find several "Lynars" and "Lyners" in the Belfast City Council burials website, I've only glanced at them, but because we now know that the surname is rare and suspect that all of the ones found so far in Belfast and South East Antrim are a cluster connected through William K. Lynar and Elizabeth Glover, I would imagine that they are all relevant:
https://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/births-deaths-and-ceremonies/burial-records/search-for-a-burial-record
Olivia Jane and the mother Elizabeth are in a Costley grave on the same website.
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... I am interested in reading the full newspaper articles and hearing further research. Life was difficult in those times.
I have pm'ed you regarding how to access those articles.
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On top of the evidence indicating the connection between William King Lynar, Eliza Glover, and the children Alfred, Olivia Jane and Jonathon Joseph, here are another couple of references that corroborate the sibling relationship between the two surviving children Alfred and Olivia Jane and suggest continuing contact between the respective families years later. The first reference is the death notice for Alfred in the Belfast Telegraph of 13 August 1923:
LYNER - August 12, 1923, at his residence, 26 Flora Street, Alfred, the dearly loved and loving husband of Martha Lyner. His remains will be removed from the above address for interment in Dundonald Cemetery, on Tuesday, the 14th inst., at 2.30 p.m. "Safe in the arms of Jesus." Deeply regretted by his sorrowing Wife and Sons, Daughters-in-law, and Grandchildren, also Sister and Brother-in-law and Nephew. MARTHA LYNER.
So as well as Alfred's own family, the only other relations getting a mention were a "Sister and Brother-in-law and Nephew", a description that is consistent with the only other relatives we have evidence of in this story so far, namely Olivia and Edmund Costley whose only child was a son - William John - and therefore a nephew to Alfred. It would have been nice if the Costleys had actually been named, still, from the way its written I'm pretty confident that it's them.
The second reference relates to Alfred's son Edward. The Belfast Newsletter of 25 November 1914 reported the death of Edward Lynar from his war wounds and said that he "was a member of Roe Memorial Total Abstinence L.O.L. 938, Ballymacarrett". Working back from that, on 25 February 1911, the Belfast Weekly Telegraph reported on a social evening held by the Roe Memorial L.O.L. No. 938, at which one of the ladies mentioned as presiding at the tea tables was a Mrs. Costley. There was also mention of a Br. Edward Lyner contributing to the programme (of entertainment) and a Br. Edmund Costley being the Secretary of the Lodge. The same newspaper of 16 February 1911, covering a reunion of members of the Roe Memorial L.O.L. 938, named the secretary as Br. Edmund J. Costley and mentioned that Br. Edward Lyner provided a recitation as part of the musical programme.
Now if these were run-of-the-mill names, it would be no great deal, but given how VERY rare - if not unique - these specific forename/surname combinations were (as can be verified by the 1911 Ireland census), I think it is way beyond mere co-incidence that they should appear together in the one context and to me it indicates the probability that Olivia Jane Costley's family and Alfred Lynar's family knew each other and occasionally interacted/associated.
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Thank you gaffy for the links and your research. I read in an earlier post that you found in a directory that Revd Lynar lived in Carrickfergus in 1852. Aparantly he did not want to live in his parish as directed. In a legal action appealing against the Lord Bishop of Down and Connor’s ruling that he must reside in the parish, it was held in May 1854 that Revd. William K Lynar would reside near to his parish with the consent of the bishop. I was wondering if the High St property was also the residence of his mother. In the Registry of Deeds Memorial transcription 1853.8.39 dated 15/3/1853 one of the parties is Lady Isabella Lynar otherwise Semple of Carrickfergus Co. Antrim, widow of Sir William Wainwright Lynar late of this City of Dublin Knight.
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After the 1852 directory entry showing him at High Street in Carrickfergus, subsequent directories for 1858, 1863, 1865, and 1870 on the PRONI street directory website (also 1868 on the Lennon Wylie website) show him in Larne, but with no address specified. None of the street directories mention Isabella.
However, Griffith's Valuation (with a local print date of 1861) shows William as a lessee in Dunluce Street in Larne. The Valuation Revision Book for Larne (1863-1866) shows him still in Dunluce Street, however his name was then crossed out and elsewhere in the Book written over the top of someone else in Pound Road Larne (Pound Street today), effectively showing him moving there (precise year isn't shown). The Valuation Revision Book for Larne (1867-1878) shows him still in Pound Road, however his name was then crossed out.
Besides living in Carrickfergus and Larne, I can see no evidence of him living anywhere near St. John's church. He could have hitched a ride on a boat from Larne to the likes of Ferris Bay or had some other similar arrangement across Larne Lough, say, from Magheramorne, but I don't see that as terribly practicable and since we know that a horse and saddle were among his effects sold off after his death, I imagine he travelled to and from the church by horse. With the church being just short of halfway up the Islandmagee peninsular, and Carrickfergus and Larne being about 9-11 miles from the church, I'm guessing it took from 1 - 1 1/2 hours to ride there.
There is evidence in 1850s newspapers that his involvement in "politics" in Carrickfergus raised some hackles on the basis that he was deemed an outsider.
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The Valuation Revision Book for Larne (1867-1878) shows him still in Pound Road, however his name was then crossed out.
The Larne Reporter of 20th June 1868 carried details of the house on Pound Street being sold by auction, and mentions it was formerley occupied by a Miss Blair and recently by the Rev. W. R. Lynar.