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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: gervaise on Thursday 30 September 10 23:41 BST (UK)
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I have an ancestor,William Chambers who went to trial at the Lincoln(part of Lindsay) Assizes on March 4,1820.Does anyone have access to the trial details or the Lincoln Mercury newspaper which may have mentioned it?I think that his father was Thomas Chambers.Does anyone have details of this family?William was born in 1798 and was transported to Australia.
Linda
in Australia
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Although his crime was at Carlton, apparently his abode was about 20 miles away from there http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/convictsdetails.asp?id=3579 but yes, it looks as if he could have been from Carlton (from IGI).
Map http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=488000&Y=345960&A=Y&Z=130
Langar at bottom corner, Carlton at top centre.
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Hi Linda,
He was Conivicted of Cattle Stealing in the Lent Assizes 1820 and Sentenced to Death.
Australian Transportation Registers has;
Conviction Date 04 March 1820
Transported for Life October 1820
(Source Ancestry)
As Geoff E has found;
Christenings to THOMAS Chambers and ANN at Carlton Le Moorland, Lincoln
WILLIAM Chambers, 14 February 1798
JANE Chambers, 02 November 1800
ANN Chambers, 17 May 1807
Possible Marriage;
Thomas CHAMBERS
Ann COLLY, 05 December 1797, Carlton Le Moorland, Lincoln
(Source IGI at Familysearch, all Extracted Records)
Now someone has William on English Censuses but seem to have him mixed up with the one born c 1796, Donnington on Bain, Lincs to a Thomas/Ann also.
They are not directly related to him though but to Jane.
(FamilyTree Ancestry)
Jane CHAMBERS married John TOWNSEND, 21 November 1821, Holbeach, Lincs
Trish :)
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John Colley TOWNSEND, Christened 14 August 1822, Holbeach, Lincs
To JOHN and JANE
Other Children;
RICHARD TOWNSEND 27 SEP 1827 Holbeach, Lincoln, England
EDWIN GEORGE TOWNSEND,11 MAR 1844 Holbeach, Lincoln, England
WILLIAM COLLEY TOWNSEND,14 AUG 1822 Holbeach, Lincoln, England
JANE TOWNSEND, 27 SEP 1827 Holbeach, Lincoln, England
CHARLES BANKS TOWNSEND,11 SEP 1830 Holbeach, Lincoln, England
1861/1871 Census Jane is with her Son Frederick born c 1834, Holbeach in Spalding, Lincs. He is a Hotel Keeper of the "White Hart"
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To Geoff E. and Trish,
Thanks for your help.You probably saw that there were two other William Chambers Christened in 1798 in Castle Bytham and Gainsborough so I am not sure if I have the right one.He may have been born in Langar but there is no Christening in that county for a William Chambers in that year on I.G.I.
Geoff,how did you find that he was convicted of Cattle stealing?.Do you have details of a later trial which commuted his sentence to Transportation?.When he was in Australia as a Convict he was a Herdsman so he had some previous experience with cattle.
Linda
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Geoff,how did you find that he was convicted of Cattle stealing?.
It was Trish that found that :)
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Sorry Trish I just saw Geoff's name underneath and attributed the finding of Williams sentence to him.Does Ancestry give any other details re the case or where they sourced the records?.
Linda
in Australia
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No worries Linda :)
Unfortunately no other details;
Handwritten Entry in Book, County of Lincoln;
NAME, William Chambers
WHEN TRIED, 1820 Lent Assises
CRIME, Cattle Stealing
SENTENCE, Death
Is there no extra info on his Australian Marriage or Death Certs?
Trish :)
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To Trish,
Thanks for your help.I am not an Ancestry member at present and the Library Ancestry package does not include everything.My problem with William Chambers is that we don't know for sure if he is our antecedent's(Eliza Chambers) father.She was a half cast Australian Aboriginal born in the 1830's with no baptism found.There were few white people in the area,Limestone Plains(now Queanbeyan)then mainly convicts,the military and a few pastoralists.The only Chambers anyone can find is this convict.It is possible that they just gave this generation made up surnames as her mothers full blood generation just had first names given to them by the English.I am just trying to find out more about William in case I am dna matched with a descendant of his extended family.We can't find a marriage for Eliza although she gives a date of marriage on all her children's birth certs.It is possible that it was not officially recorded because she was part Aboriginal.She could write so she did have some education so she probably knew about dates and place names.As for her possible father no marriage or death can be found as we don't know where he went after serving his commuted sentence. Linda
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I really feel for you with the little you have to go on!
Hopefully with the Net you never know what may pop up in the future.
Miracles do happen.
Sorry I cant be of more help.
Trish :)
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Thanks for your optimism Trish.What makes this research harder is that Eliza Chamber's husband/partner James Dorman has no baptism in London that we can find and is not on the 1841 Census with a Robert Dorman who was sited as his father.We are lucky in Australia that death certificates have provision for parent's identities although they are not always known by the person giving the info.(as in Eliza's case).All we got off James's death certificate was he was born in London,his father was Robert Dorman,a gasfitter.I suspect Robert was born in Ireland as Robert and James are Celtic names and according to family folk lore we are Irish Aboriginal through the Chambers/Dorman line.
Thus we have the classic brick-wall.
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Hello, looks like I may also be looking for this same William. Have you found any more information on him or Mary?
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Welcome michelle27.
gervaise has not been on here for a few years but hopefully has the same email and will be notified of your reply :)
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Thank You
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Hi everyone,I just did a google search and came across this thread. I'm a descendent of Eliza Chambers (she was my third great grandmother) and would love to know who her Indigenous mother was. Does anyone have any thoughts on how I might go about this? Ancestry has nothing and there may very well be no information anywhere but I figure it's worth asking the question here? Thanks all :-)
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Hi Michelle27 and Jodi Aileena,
Sorry that I have not got back to you sooner but I have not used the email address linked with Roots Chat for some time.
Despite about 60 relatives of Eliza Chambers matching me at Ancestry dna I still can't confirm if the William Chambers mentioned here was my ancestor. The matches in common are set so high that I keep seeing only the fourth cousins I already know about or can place. A best estimate of Eliza's birth is 1835. Not only there were convicts in the district then but farm labourers recruited from England working at the Stations.
If either of you wanted to dna test there are specials on at ftdna and Ancestry. There are at least 11 of us Chambers/Dorman at ftdna and the matches are set lower so I can see who 5-7th. cousin matches match through. It does not have the huge nos. tested like Ancestry but it is cheaper and I can easier see who distant matches match through.
If you did test on Ancestry we could send each other an invitation to view the other person's matches. It is easier than asking did you match this or that person. Ancestry has upped security but I used to be able to sign in to relatives sites to check for myself if they gave me their user name and password. Ancestry does have a good new feature though - it splits matches into each parents side without testing the parents. Sometimes they can't tell and deem a match unassigned or both sides (that only happened to me once and my parents lived in totally different areas and had different surnames in their trees).
JodiA. - the only information I have re Eliza's mother is that there was an Eliza issued a blanket in that area around the time her daughter was born. If that were true there would have been an Eliza or Elizabeth in the direct line right down to my great aunt born in the 1900s. The tribe in the area was Ngunawal? I have an Ancestry match who has NSW Aboriginals in her tree but she has not got back to me yet to tell me if any of my family match her and she seems too far back to be a match in common.
Let me know if you test so I can look out for you and tell you who are Chambers related.
Cheers, Linda Mackie
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Hi Linda, thank you so much for your response! I have done an Ancestry.com dna test and am 1% Indiginous (traced back to Eliza). Not sure how we share our trees but I’m on Ancestry as Jodi Aileena Starling if that helps?
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Linda does this help?
https://ancestry.com/family-tree/tools/tree/180659963/invitees/accept?inviteId=ea7e5958-3c71-4186-8e6e-cef3e6ee6f19
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Hi Jodi Aileena,
I don't see you as a match and I thought that all of us Chambers/Dormans matched each other. I checked on another relatives site and you did not match there either. My tree is wrong as someone put it up without my permission and got details wrong. There are plenty of trees relating to our Eliza on Ancestry - just type in on Public Member Trees Dorman and Yackandandah for place. Some Chambers/Dormans you may have matched with are:- Gladys Ellis, Margaret McGrath, Shirley Gray, Jennifer Dorman,Margie Dorman, Louise Dorman and Jennifer Egan. Also see if you match Debra Topham- she is related through Eliza's first born to a James OLIVER not James Dorman. I did not match her and you may not either as she is less related to us than those who also have Dorman. Some of the relatives I mentioned are a generation ahead so you are more likely to match those. I show 1% Aboriginal as well but in reality are closer to 3%. Cheers, Gervaise (under Linda Mackie in Ancestry).