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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: george165 on Wednesday 29 September 10 23:01 BST (UK)
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Hi All
I am looking for parents of George or James FROST who went to NSW Australia on Ship Fairlie 1833 as a convict. His known place of birth Fareham 1807/1813.
Thanking you
Sparky2
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hi sparky 2
do you know what his crime was , also where he was convicted
trevor
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Hi Trevor
Standing Number of conviction 34-225-56
Name George Frost age 20 Single Native Place Farnham Essex Trade Farm labourer
Crime House Robbery
Charged at Essex Quarter Session 2/07/1833
Sentenced to life
Convicted at Saffron Waldon 2/07/1833
Voyage date 14/10/1833 "Fairlie"
Colony NSW
Arrived Sydney NSW 15/02/1834
Thanking you
Sparky2
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hi sparky
sorry to say i can,t find anything definate for g f ,s parents also i,ve had a look to see if he was aboard one of the prison hulks before being transported , i take it no mention is made of any family names on any documents ?
trevor
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Hi Trevor
This is all the information I have.
Thank you
Sparky 2
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Hi All
I am looking for parents of George or James FROST who went to NSW Australia on Ship Fairlie 1833 as a convict. His known place of birth Fareham 1807/1813.
Thanking you
Sparky2
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Hi all,
I am researching George Frost who came on Fairlie.
Do you have proof that he was known as James.
Mary Donnelley had a daughter to a James Frost before she married Hennessey.
Was that James actually George Frost????
Gayle
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Hi Gayle
No I do not have proof that George and James are the same person. According to some information in New South Wales Mary married James then George but there are no records of either and that they were brothers.
Sparky2
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Thanks you for your reply, I have just found Mary having married after George died, do you have that information? Do you have a birth for Katherine/Catherine the daughter of James Frost & Mary Donnelly?
I have quite some information on the family so is there some way we can communicate personally? I am following the daughter Sarah Frost who married a Moffitt. I am also in touch with a researcher following Mary Ann Frost married to a Denney. I am a member of Gold Coast Family History Society, Australia.
Gayle
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gayle just click on that squiggly thing next to the avatar and you can send a personal message
trevor
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Thank you, I am not too good on the lists. Would prefer personal contact.
Gayle
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no that,s fine that,s what it,s there for plus not everyone wants personal info out there for the world and his wife to see ;D
trevor
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Hi All
Im a great great grandson of George Frost & Mary Donnelly
they married about 1842 at Kincumber, although no record found for the marriage
prior to Mary's marriage to George she had Kathrine FROST with James Frost
no record found of that marriage or a death for James.
just recently i found on the web parents for George as James Frost and Ann Underwood
unfortunately I can not relocate that info .
Mary Donnelly parents shows as father unknown and mother Katherine Lake, Katherine Lake turns out to be incorrect her parent being James Donnelly & Ellen Dunn according to the deaths of Mary's two brothers
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........ they married about 1842 at Kincumber
This is highly unlikely. George was still a convict and would have had to apply to marry, and he didn't get a conditional pardon until 1848. He applied to marry Elizabeth/Eliza DOYLE and they married in 1843 in Gosford.
Debra :)
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George was still a convict and would have had to apply to marry, and he didn't get a conditional pardon until 1848. He applied to marry Elizabeth/Eliza DOYLE
This is not the Same George FROST
My George Frost and Mary Donnelly had twelve children first born Susanna Frost 10 Aug 1843 another daughter my great grandmother Charlotte frost born 1847 George died 02 Dec 1867 Noraville, he was in Australia 33 years according two his death certificate that would be abt 1834
there has been some confusion between George Frost and Elizabeth Doyle.
My George Frost according to conviction born George Frost age 20 Single Native Place Farnham Essex Trade Farm labourer
Crime House Robbery Charged at Essex Quarter Session 2/07/1833
on his twin son's birth certificate states Georges birth plaace as Farnham Essex
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Baptisms in Farnham Essex for Frosts, around that time:
20Jan 1805 Mineward son of James and Ann
15 Feb 1807 Benjamin, Susanna and Elizabeth son and dtrs of James and Sarah
21 MAy 1809 Joseph and Elizabeth, son and dtr of James and Sarah
6 Nov 1811 George son of James and Sarah
12 Nov 1813 Charlotte dtr of James and Sarah
24 Feb 1816 James son of Thomas and Mary
10 Aug 1817 Hetty dtr of James and Sarah aged 1 yr and 2 weeks
17 MArch 1818 William son of Thomas and MAry
8 March 1819 William son of William and Sarah
9 July 1820 Sarah dtr of Thomas and Mary
23 Sep1821 Joseph son of William and Sarah
15 Dec 1822 Emma dtr of Thomas and Mary
5 Oct 1823 James son of William and Sarah
17 July 1825 Mary Ann dtr of Thomas and MAry
18 March 1827 Harriet illegitimate dtr of Sarah (widow)
6 June 1827 Eliza dtr of Thomas and MAry
4 March 1829 Ann dtr of thomas and MAry
9 Aug 1827 Sarah illegitimate dtr of Sarah (widow)
5 Aug 1830 Betsy dtr of Thomas and Mary
25 Oct 1830 Ann dtr of Minet and Mary
8 Sept 1835 John son of Thomas and MAry
24 feb 1833 Sarah dtr of Minet and Mary
5 MArch 1835 Mary Ann dtr of Minet and MAry
19 April 1835 Ann illegitimate dtr of Sarah (widow)
19 MArch 1837 Lucy dtr of Mynott and MAry
10 Sept 1837 John son of James and MAry
period looked through 1805- 1839
Hopefully you can piece together some families on the censuses from this, and see who "disappears".
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Here are Frost burials, Farnham Essex, 1806 - 1841
3 MArch 1807 ELizabeth dtr of James and Sarah
12 Sep 1809 Elizabeth dtr of James and Sarah
22 Feb 1810 Benjamon son of James and Sarah
25 Feb 1810 Joseph son of James and Sarah
17 Oct 1814 Sarah dtr of Thomas and MAry age 1 week
5 Feb 1822 Sarah dtr of Thomas and Mary age 1 year and about 7 months
2 April 1824 William age 25
25 Dec 1827 Ann wife of Jonas age 26
24 Jun 1828 Sarah wife of James age 60
4 Dec 1831 Ann dtr of Thomas and Mary age 1?
10 Dec 1831 John son of Thomas and MAry infant
18 Dec 1831 Mary wife of Thomas age 36
15 Jan 1832 Betsy dtr of Thomas and Mary
30 March 1834 Sarah illegit dtr of Sarah Frost widow
11 Sep 1836 Sarah Frost widow age 35
8 Jan 1839 John Frost of The Union Stortford age 8
2 July 1839 Mary Frost age 39
So it looks as if the James and George I highlighted survived childhood. See if they are on censuses, if so that rules them out as the people who were transported.
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This is not the Same George FROST
The application to marry Elizabeth DOYLE records this George FROST as having arrived as a convict on the Fairlie. If this is not the same George FROST, then your George did not arrive on the Fairlie.
Debra :)
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I cannot see any evidence that George and Mary were together prior to 1847. Susanna (born 1843) and James (born 1846) were both baptised in 1847. From the NSW indexes, volume 64 tells me that these were Catholic baptisms. It is possible that Susanna was not a child of both George and Mary.
Mary Donnelly parents shows as father unknown and mother Katherine Lake, Katherine Lake turns out to be incorrect her parent being James Donnelly & Ellen Dunn according to the deaths of Mary's two brothers
I see family trees on Ancestry which claim that Mary arrived on the Larne in 1841 with her brother John (parents James and Ellen). That doesn't explain how daughter Catherine could be 7 months short of her 100th birthday in 1939.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/98610887
Perhaps Catherine was George's daughter, not Mary's. I notice her obit says that she was native to Windsor.
.......prior to Mary's marriage to George she had Kathrine FROSTwith James Frost
Where do you see mention of James FROST as Catherine's father?
Is this Mary DONNELLY's death?
COUDREN , MARY (CONDREN)
1542/1900
Mother: MARGARET
GOSFORD
If so then the certificate of her 1883 marriage to Patrick CONDREN would be a much more reliable way of finding her parents' names.
Debra :)