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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: tigerquoll on Wednesday 29 September 10 15:21 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I know this is a long shot but I am trying to find information about HANNAH JARVIS, convicted at Norwich assizes in 1816 and transported to Australia for Life per the "Friendship". Unfortunately her convict records are blank except for the basic info. It doesn't even say what crime she committed. She would have been born about 1780. Later her two adult children, William and Hannah Jarvis came out to Australia as well. William would have been born about 1801 and his sister, Hannah junior was born 1804. Hannah, senior, calls herself a widower but no mention is made of her husbands first name.
My main questions are - does anyone know where I can access her original court records? and can anyone find birth records for the two children she had to leave behind?
Thanks Janine
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Hi, the only Hannah jarvis coming up on A* convicted in Norfolk 1816 is:
hannah Jarvis summer Asizes robbery in a dwelling place sentenced to death
perhaps this is her and she was transported instead because of Hannah aged 12?????
looking..
Diddy
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do you have a date for Hannah & William goin gto australia?
Diddy
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Hi Janine,
There is an article of the Downham Riots (May 1815) in the Bury and Norwich Post dated 21 Aug 1816 which has the name Hannah Jarvis as being involved. Her crime was destroying and taking away a quantity of wheat meal and flour from the mill of Wm Baldwin.
Sad to think you could be sentenced to death for such a crime but it seems that she was reprieved, unlike some others that were involved.
JJ
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Hi,
Thanks so much for your quick replies Diddy and JJ! The time frame sounds right for the conviction but the age for the girl who stole from a dwelling place is too young. If Hannah's age at death is correct she had to be born about 1780. which would make her about 21 yrs old when William was born and about 36yr old when she was convicted.
Her children William and Hannah, junior, emmigrated on the ship "Hope" in 1824 to join their mother in Tasmania.
I have another ancestor who only stole an apron and was transported to Australia, so it didn't take much at all to end up on the other side of the world.
cheers Janine
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sorry - I didn't mean Hannah convicted was 12, I meant her daughter.
Diddy
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This has been a real breakthrough for me. Now that you have pointed me in the right direction I have found an on line Google book that mentions Hannah and another woman that was transported with her - Amelia Lightharness.
"In Downham Hannah Jarvis, along with three other men, led the crowd which robbed George Thomas of several gallons of beer, and she alone led an attack on a butchers shop, where she distributed beef among the crowd"
p. 31 Women in Protest: 1800-1850 chapt. Women in Food Riots. By Malcolm I. Thomis, Jennifer Grimmett
"Rather more fortunate were the East Anglican rioters who had contributed dramatically to the events of 1816; Amelia Lightharness and Hannah Jarvis were transported to NSW, perhaps to be categorised as thieves, while others received sentences of six to twelve months in goal with hard labour" p. 45 Women in Protest: 1800-1850 chapt. Women in Food Riots.
regards Janine
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I know this is a terribly later reply to this post but I am doing research about my own Jarvis's in Southwold, Suffolk. Apparently Hannah is my 3rd GGMother who was married to Willam Jarvis, b abt 1780 (unknown birth place) and d. Jul 1841 in Mutford, Suffolk, United Kingdom.
Children:
Hannah Jr
Birth 2 Dec 1799 in Lowestoft,
Death 15 Jan 1879 in New Norfolk, , Tasmania, Australia
William Jarvis Jr
Birth 18 April 1801 in England
Death 26 Apr 1870 in Macquarie Plains, Tasmania, Australia
Elizabeth Jarvis
Birth 14 Feb 1803
Death unknown
Robert S Jarvis
Birth 28 Nov 1805 in Trowse, Norfolk, England
Death 11 Sep 1876
James Jarvis
Birth 27 Sep 1807
Death unknown
Mary Ann Jarvis
Birth 23 Jun 1809
Death unknown
Henry Jarvis
Birth abt 1815 in Lowestoft, Suffolk, England
Death
That should be a good start and hope it helps.
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Hi watdocnc60,
Thanks for the reply. I have previously had a look at this family in Lowestoft as they were such a good match but unfortunately this family appear to have stayed in the area. This is what I found:
> Lowestoft
> Bur. William JERVIS son of William/Hannah 21yrs 25/2/1822
> Bur. William JERVIS husband Hannah 69 yrs 4/8/1841
> Bur. Hannah JARVIS widow William 84 yrs 29/3/1854
> In 1841 William Snr is with daughter Mary Ann who married John RUTHEN in 1836.
> Can't see Hannah but she is with the same family in 1851.
So it would appear that I must keep looking for the origins of Hannah Jarvis and her son William and daughter, Hannah, who came to Tasmania.
cheers Janine.
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Well darn!
I am still really new at genealogy and was working my way backward from my grandparents when I suddenly lost Hannah, Wife of William Jarvis. I guess it just made sense that when 2 of his children went to Australia they may have been meeting up with their mother. I'm on the wrong track too then?
Carol
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Hi Carol,
Welcome to the addictive world of family history! It can be very frustrating trying to track them down. Are you descended from the ones who came to Tasmania or from Jarvis' in England? I haven't found a convincing connection for my Tasmanian Jarvis' back in England yet.
If you would like to email me we could discuss this further.
janine.gall at hotmail.com
cheers Janine
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I am from a long line of Jarvis fishermen from Southwold, Suffolk. I started doing my own search on Ancestry dot com but a lot of the hard work had already been done by family still living in the area. I talked with my aunt and know my tree is correct back to Savannah Balls and Robert Jarvis, but this is where things came to a screeching halt (as they did for aunt also). I am pretty certain I have Roberts mother as Hannah Jarvis, nee Hunt and he would be siblings to William and Hannah jr. Thats why i got so excited about your post because my Hannah sr disappears.
I would love to email.. but I forewarn you I am a newb at genealogy and may be frustrating. LOL
Carol.
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Hi Carol,
Don't worry, everyone's a Newbie to start with! Do you have Roberts original marriage and death certificates? These are essential in tracing the correct Roberts birth. According to the census records Robert states he was born in Trowse, Norfolk. From what I can see the closest big town where his parents would have registered the birth was Norwich. It may be worth checking the births there. Often parents named their children after grand parents so this could be a clue to the names of Roberts parents as well.
While there is a lot of valuable info in the Ancestry trees there is also a lot of incorrect rubbish, always check the original sources. It will save you following a lot of false leads.
cheers Janine