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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: illumina on Wednesday 29 September 10 09:59 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know if there's a list of names of men in the 73rd regiment of foot that I could search?
I'm specifically looking for Samuel Rowley, a Sergeant, who probably served between 1809 and 1816, maybe longer. I know he was in Ceylon in 1816 as one of his daughters was born there.
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hi i,ve just had a look and theres a couple s rowleys but not for the 73rd theres one for 47th of foot
how certain are you of the reg and also could you let us know when and where he was born please
trevor
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Hi
I looked up the Lagden/Sly book about 2nd Battalion 73rd reg. of Foot, and there's no Rowley mentioned there, so he wouldn't have been at Waterloo, with that regiment. They went to Ceylon after Waterloo, and there were many replacements coming inn at that time, because I think 73rd had the heaviest casualties at Waterloo. My g/g/g/grandfather was one from this regiment, wounded at that conflict.
Kevin
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There is a Sgt Samuel Rawley who served 1793-1814 in the Regiment of Militia, a Private Samuel Rowley served 1836-1857 in 47th Foot and a Private Samuel Rowley served 1809-1814 in 39th Foot but I cannot find any Rowley/Rawley for what you are searching.
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I think that the 1st Bat of 73rd Regiment on Foot served in NSW, perhaps several tours ... (were these the Buffs ?)
Yes, from circa 1810 to circa 1816 thence onto Calcutta ... and back in NSW for another tour after the 48th went to Madras in circa 1824
Some of these men may have transferred to or from the 48th Regiment on Foot which had served under Wellington on the Iberian Peninsula leaving there in June 1814 for a tour of garrison duty at Cork... I've gone through the index to the book with the NSW history of the 48th, sorry no Rawley/Rowley there, but ... if your chap was ever in NSW, perhaps his name was mentioned in newspapers or in the Penal Settlement's records...
(Book = The Colonial Garrison 1817-1824, by Clem Sargent, ISBN 0 646 25612 2 first edition published c1994 )
Colonial Secretary's Papers 1788-1825 ( ;D look under regiments as well as his surname/s) eg SEVENTY THIRD (73rd) REGIMENT Lieutenant Colonel of see O'CONNELL, Maurice Charles Philip (Sir) Paymaster of see BIRCH, John http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/default.htm
Online Newspapers ( ;D select Tasmania as well as NSW papers because Tasmania was part of the NSW penal settlement until separation in 1825) http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
If it turns out he was in NSW, please do consider posting request for help on the Aussie Board, lots of help available with experiences of seeking men(and their wives/camp followers) in those regiments.
Good Luck,
Cheers, JM (A descendant of a Spaniard who arrived in NSW with the 48th in 1817)
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I'm very certain of the regiment, as it was clearly stated on baptismal records for two of Samuel's children. One was born in Ceylon 1816, and another in Chelsea, 1817.
I believe he was born about 1785, and I have no idea where, which is one of the reasons I'd like to find his record of service - I'm hoping to eventually find his attestation papers. I also believe he may have married (Jane, born 1791 in Bocking Essex) while in service.
After 1820 he lived in Birmingham and was a metal worker.
Thanks for suggestions - I'd thought it was only the 1st battalion (the non-Waterloo battalion) that went to Ceylon, so that's given me another avenue to pursue, that he transferred in (perhaps from the Regiment of Militia, karenbest500, thanks for that one!). I did also wonder if he transferred in from another Reg in Australia.
J
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Hi
Have you done a search of LDS Church , Family History website, using the family name search. If you get a hit there, you can request the microfolm, to be sent to your nearest Mormon Church Family History Centre, where you can go to view the film & get copies made, if the find your ancestor's records. They do this for a nominal fee, I & many others, have used this service frequently.
Kevin
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I am looking for a Mathew Kelly who I believe was born at Lanak year unknown he joined the 73rd regiment of foot sailed to Australia in1809, had a daughter Mary Anne Kelly. and ended up sailing to Ceylon with the regiment 1n 1814 where he either was killed or died his death would of Bean 1814 or 1815 as they left that year.
Apart from the daughter and the regiment every thing else is guess work as being an enlisted man nothing of importance was written about them.
I have been looking on and off for this man for ten years.... MAL
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Hi gymea mal,
Welcome to RChat ...
The NSW Colonial Secretary's papers are indexed at this link: http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/colonial-secretary/index-to-the-colonial-secretarys-papers-1788-1825 The 73rd regiment is covered with quite a number of references but its there under the heading "Seventy-third"
The NSW Governor was Lachlan Macquarie, and the 73rd was his regiment, here's a link to his diaries:
http://www.library.mq.edu.au/digital/lema/documents.html
I did not notice Mary Ann KELLY's birth/baptism recorded on the online index for NSW BDM, but do you have a copy of her baptism? If not, perhaps if you are Sydney NSW based, you may find it on film at the NSW State Library, as their records may have many of the early church records for that era.
Also, don't overlook that he may have returned to NSW after his 12 years were up, or transferred out of the 73rd to the 46th, perhaps staying in NSW (perhaps taking a grant of land as a settler) rather than dying in Ceylon 1814 ... (46th relieved the 73rd)
http://members.net-tech.com.au/roncook/page4.html
http://www.rhra.com.au/index.htm
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/british_army-in-aust.htm
http://www.lib.mq.edu.au/digital/under/research/officers73rd.html
The National Library of Australia is digitising many of the old newspapers, The Sydney Gazette was completed around a year or so ago http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
Fingers crossed, ten years is a long time :) to look for one man :)
Cheers, JM
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Thank you Majm for a quick reply, but I am still looking it appears that if he was an officer that reams would of been written about him but as an in listed man nothing.
I am in Sydney and have looked every place that I can think of I have a muster sheet with Mary Kelly being the daughter of Mathew I also have the marriage of Mary to a George Piper (I think off the top of my head ). I also have a letter to the Colonial Sectary asking permission for her mother Ellinor Sullivan to move to Windsor. Like yourself I can"t find her birth ...MAL
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Hi MAL,
Have you checked the actual record for the following index at NSW Col Sec's papers
SULLIVAN, Elinor 1819 Apr 14 Petition to the Female Orphan Institution Committee rejected (Reel 6040; 4/403 p.26) (my regiment chap's wife was noted on all the NSW musters under her maiden name and not her married name even though she came free and she married shortly after arriving in NSW, finally on the 1828 census she's there under her married name)
ALSO
UK National Archives has musters and pay lists for this particular era ...I think WO 10 to WO 13 are the series numbers and yes that's only the general file numbers and not the fine detail which you may need to find the 73rd
The National Archives http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ and http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/army-muster-1730-1898.htm here's a couple of snips from that link:
1. All soldiers Muster rolls and pay lists give the enlistment date, movements and discharge date of all soldiers in the British Army. They can be used to trace the service of soldiers who were not discharged to pension. However, to trace a man's movements by way of the musters, you do have to know his regiment.
and also
It provides a comprehensive means of establishing dates of enlistment, movements throughout the world, and of discharge or death
Fingers crossed, as these records are in UK :( and not exactly easy to go through :) or to get to...
Cheers, JM
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Hi
Have you done a search of LDS Church , Family History website, using the family name search. If you get a hit there, you can request the microfolm, to be sent to your nearest Mormon Church Family History Centre, where you can go to view the film & get copies made, if the find your ancestor's records. They do this for a nominal fee, I & many others, have used this service frequently.
Kevin
Hi Kevin, I use the LDS website on an almost daily basis! However without knowing where he was born I can't say for certain if any of the Samuel Rowley's that come up are the right one.
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Here is a photo from the Birmingham baptism register - shows his name, the place his daughter was born (Ceylon) and his status at the time as 'Sarjeant' (sic) 73rd Regt Foot.
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I am researching William Crowe Kenny of 73rd Regiment as the father of the boy with first names William Henry, born to Alice Granger in Port Dalrymple. Who was Alice Granger? Was she the daughter or wife of John Granger of 73rd who drowned in Port Dalrymple 1808? Captain W.C.K. went on to Ceylon 'with son' . What happened then to the son when W.C.K. moved on to England before he, William Henry Kenny, joined 73rd as ensign and rose to colonel and took the Fencibles to New Zealand 1847. What happened to Alice and William Henry's twin sister?
robin.mcconnell.nz@gmail.com
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I am trying to confirm that a Matthew Kelly served in the 73rd Regiment 1810-1814 in NSW?
He apparently died in Ceylon around 1827 but I have no confirmation of this.
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Welcome Webster,
RootsChat is a great place for help with family history.
If you are based in New South Wales, and can get to the NSW State Library, their holdings include excellent resources re the 73rd Regiment.
From my resources I can confirm that there was indeed a Matthew KELLY of that regiment :
December 1809 NSW General Muster.
Matthew KELLY, Private 73rd Regiment, in the following companies 9, then 4, then 8
Arrived NSW as part of the garrison force for penal settlement …. Arriving per Dromedary or Hindostan 28 December 1809.
Departed per Earl Spencer 25 January 1814 for Ceylon.
There are many NSW resources for Penal era, particularly the Macquarie decade. Here's a live link to the NSW Col. Secretary's papers 1788-1825.
http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/
So, check under "Seventy-third Regiment" and their officers for additional information.
There's also a free to search index that is becoming quite popular as it gathers more and more information and databases. Biographical Database of Australia .... there's a nominal annual subscription for access to the full database, but the index is freely available.
Under their sources are many headings. Free to search :) on heading is "Military" and under there, again, free to search .... 73rd Regiment on Foot .... eight pages of quality info.
http://www.bda-online.org.au/
JM
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Hi JM
Thanks for the quick reply, very impressed.
The first breakthrough I have had on Matthew Kelly many questions to follow.
Regards
webster
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The 73rd left Ceylon in 1821. Not to return until the 1860s. You will need to research the muster books in Kew. His first and last entries give the best chance of additional information such as age and place of birth. If there were more than one man of that name the Paymaster will record next to them their trade and place of birth. Regimental numbers were not used until the late 1820s.
If he died in service they would not have kept his record. So the musters are probably the only military source.
The musters will tell you where he was month by month. You can then check church records for a marriage and births of children as confirmation, as it is a common name.
Ken
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Hi JM
Do your records of the 73rd show Matthew Kelly's middle name?
The death records I have for Mary Kelly who may be Matthews daughter show her father as a Matthew G, there is a convict in Sydney at that time named Matthew George Kelly arriving in the colony in 1793. A number of family trees I have seen claim each of the Matthews as the father. Mary Kelly is a direct relative on my mothers side.
Regards
Webster