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Title: decypher street name
Post by: waltonp on Tuesday 28 September 10 19:44 BST (UK)
Hi
I have tried to find the street name in bethnall green, london
It is from a marriage certificate from 1881.
I have searched for streets beginning with H but so far no luck, the curates hand writing is very poor.

Peter
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: oldtimer on Tuesday 28 September 10 19:49 BST (UK)
Looks like Hendy Lane  :-\
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: genjen on Tuesday 28 September 10 19:52 BST (UK)
Just what I was about to say - Hendy Lane.

Jen
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: teaurn on Tuesday 28 September 10 19:58 BST (UK)
Looks like Hendy Lane to me too but have just done an address search in the 1881 census but nothing like it comes up in Bethnal Green :-\
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: Hackstaple on Tuesday 28 September 10 20:13 BST (UK)
I did a complete search on all Bethnal Green street names in the 1891 census. No name resembles this.
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: genjen on Tuesday 28 September 10 20:26 BST (UK)
And I have just been through this list for 1891 - all London street names.

http://www.census1891.com/streets-h.htm.

Is there a chance that it isn't an H at the beginning.

Jen
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: teaurn on Tuesday 28 September 10 20:47 BST (UK)
Where were they living on the 1881 census, maybe that will give us a clue

T
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: Dazey999 on Tuesday 28 September 10 21:12 BST (UK)
I've been trying to work out the next line...which looks like Beavers Mark!  Guess it could be short for Market...but still can't get anywhere with it
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: waltonp on Tuesday 28 September 10 22:07 BST (UK)
I cannot find Joseph Walton on the 1881 census, this is the reason I'm trying to decypher the address as a link to the census.

Interestingly I cannot find any of the names on the cert other than Frederick Walton on the 1881 census.

Peter
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: slam on Tuesday 28 September 10 22:22 BST (UK)
There was a London street called Bevis Marks, off which ran Heneage Lane (or so wikipedia says!).
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: fifer1947 on Tuesday 28 September 10 22:33 BST (UK)
It's still there Heneage Lane, Bevis Marks synagogue is there  ;D

http://www.londononline.co.uk/local/Society_and_Culture/Religion_and_Spirituality/3/
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 28 September 10 22:33 BST (UK)
Hi.

I can see a place noted as Heneague Lane, and Beavis Marks, on the 1881 Census.

RG 11/381 East Side 1-4 Folio's 44-45

RG 11/382 West Side 1-6 Folio's 29-31

Sandy
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: teaurn on Tuesday 28 September 10 22:35 BST (UK)
Well found Slam :D

That would fit I Can see Bevis Marks but cant get Hendy to look like Heneage even saying it out loud to try and get a phonetic fit doesn't seem to work ::)
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 28 September 10 23:36 BST (UK)
Hi again Peter.

I see from the certificate that Joseph married Julia Sinfield widow in July of 1881.

It says he was 32 and she was 38 as you already know.

I also found Frederick on the 1881 who is father of your Joseph
as they are living in the same street as 1871.

On the 1871 census Frederick and Wife Susan are living with
Joseph and siblings in Shoreditch.

Are you trying to go down the lineage or merely trying to get
the 1881 image with Joseph on.

Sandy
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: waltonp on Wednesday 29 September 10 08:41 BST (UK)
Hi Sandy,
It is a bit more complicated than that so I am after as much info as I can get.
Joseph walton living at 29 red lion st married an Elizabeth Mary Ann Crockett on 22 May 1870.
Ifound Joseph on the 1871 census living back at 29 red lion st, never found Elizabeth.
They had a son Joseph Walton on 21 june 1875 at 44 huntingdon St and from then on I never found them in the census's until 1911 where my grandfather is living with his wife in ponders end middx.
With the help of others this marriage to a Julia Sinfield was found and I obtained the cert but no sign of what happened to 1st wife Elizabeth, no death found.
Joseph and Julia are in the 1891 and 1901 census.
Its just very intriguing, with all the links backwards and forwards fitting OK but this middle bit is so odd to say the least.
Peter
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: carol8353 on Wednesday 29 September 10 09:29 BST (UK)
It looks like the couple gave Julia's brother's? address on marriage of 5, Heneage Lane, St Katherine Cree - cos that's where he is in 1881.

SINFIELD John head widower 38 gen labourer b St Pancras
SINFIELD, John  Son  Single  14     Scholar  all kids born Spitalfields
SINFIELD, Ann  Daughter  Single   12     Scholar
SINFIELD, Harriett  Daughter  Single  10    Scholar
 
I suppose Heneage can sound like Henidge ,which is what I think the vicar has tried to write.

Doesn't help to find Julia or Joseph in 1881 though does it  ;D

Carol
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: waltonp on Wednesday 29 September 10 09:47 BST (UK)
No Carol it doesnt but its another nail in the coffin!!!

Just got to keep looking but why are familes so devious!!

Peter
Title: Re: decypher street name
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 29 September 10 10:29 BST (UK)
Hi Peter

There is potentially two other children born to Joseph and Elizabeth:

Frederick Walter Walton chr. 11 Feb 1872, father Joseph a bricklayer. Address shows as 21 York Street.

Martha Charlotte Walton chr. 16 Nov 1873, father Joseph a buidler. Address shows as 20 (?) York Street.

Can't see any of them in 1881 either!

Monica