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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: jule on Monday 27 September 10 06:51 BST (UK)
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I would love some help finding out more about my ancestor Ellen Lambert. She married the convict Adam Swinburn(e) alias Swanborough 22/5/1848 and the marriage cert. says she lived at Green Hills, Shoalhaven NSW. This cert. gives no ages. Adam was already married in England and had been transported in 1834 from Antrim Ireland although he was from Cheshire. They only had two children, Amelia Grace (1849) and Robert George (1851). Ellen died in Braidwood in 1866 according to BD&M. What I would like confirmed is Ellen's birthdate..... (I have been told 1800 but that makes her very old if the two children mentioned were her first children.) Also I believe her parents were Grace and Robert,( BD&M) but there is no sign of Ellen or her parents birth or marriage in Australia so I assume they were all born overseas. I would love to know if she was a convict, if she had siblings, where she was from, her ship.. anything at all to give me a better picture of her life would be much appreciated. Thanks Jule
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1 sibling found
Frederick H. Lambert born 26Jan1820, father Robert LAMBERT, mother Grace LAMBERT, Died 25 Jun 1847, buried NSW.
Sydney Morning Herald 28Jun1847
DIED.
Frederick Henry Lambert, youngest son of Robert Lambert, Esq., of Harrington Park, Camden, suddenly, at the residence of his father, on the 23rd instant.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28649188?searchTerm=robert%20lambert
Ellen (Hellen) LAMBERT's parents.
Robert LAMBERT died age 66 in 1852 - v1852237 38b/1852
Grace LAMBERT died age 65 in 1849 - v1849926 34b/1849 & v18491096 157/1849
http://beta.familysearch.org/
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
The Sydney Morning Herald 26May 1852
On the 26th of April last, at Concord, Robert Lambert, Esq., formerly of Westbourne and King's Plains, Bathurst, aged sixty-six years.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12937064?searchTerm=robert%20lambert
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Sydney morning Herald 26th May 1852
FRIDAY, MAY 28.
TO FRUITERERS, FURNITURE DEALERS, AND OTHERS.
Oranges
Lemons
Potatoes
Household Furniture, and Effects
PURKIS AND LAMBERT (successors to the late Mr. Samuel Lyons) have received instructions
from the representative of the late Robert Lambert, Esq., to sell by auction, on the
premises known as Concord Orchard, Concord, near Longbottom, Parra matta-road, on FRIDAY,
the 28th instant, at 12 o'clock precisely, without reserve,
The Crop of Oranges, consisting of Mandarin and others, estimated at 3000 dozen, also
Seville oranges, Shaddocks, Lisbon, and other lemons, conquêts, and citrons.
Also,
The Crop of Potatoes (now ready to dig),
French Beans, &c.
Three weeks will be given to the purchasers to remove the crops off the ground.
The oranges are now ready for shipment, and are of first-rate quality.
After which,
A quantity of Houshold Furniture and Effects
Terms cash.
A luncheon will be provided.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12937058?searchTerm=robert%20lambert
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The Familysearch Pilot Site has this possible;
Ellen LAMBERT, Birth 24 April 1818,
Christened/Baptised 05 February 1819, Ripponden, Yorkshire
Parents ROBERT and GRACE
If this is her than they must have shortly after left for Australia to have Frederick born c 1820
Maybe a search of Shipping Records will show up something.
Trish :)
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How amazing LoganH I am sitting at my Computer not more than a few minutes walk from Parramatta Rd, Concord ;D
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Amazing ;D
great news (just discovered), some kind person has 'tagged' Robert Lambert data, at http://trove.nla.gov.au/
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Thankyou so much Rootschatters...... you never disappoint! This is all making really good sense. Can't wait to follow all those leads. Cheers and thanks Julie. PS Where should I search for shipping records?
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Unfortunately Julie pre 1840's records a trip to the Archives or a professional researcher is the only way i know of.
Other Australian experts may have other ideas later tonight as they come online.
I am not an Aust. expert!
There is a Daughter Clara who married also 1847 to Charles KERR;
i just "googled" Robert Lambert + Harrington Park and a couple of things came up.
Also do you have this?
http://webspace.webring.com/people/au/um_7035/prestbury.html
Looks like Adam WAS a "naughty boy"
Trish :)
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nice 1 Trish
Married
On Thursday, the 1st instant, at St. Paul's Church, Cobbity, by the Rev. Thomas Hassell,
Charles Kerr, of Belmont, North Richmond, to Clara, daughter of Robert Lambert Esq.,
Harrington Park, Camden.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12900869?searchTerm=Robert+Lambert+of+Harring
ton+Park%2C+Camden
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
Good place to start
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Thanks Trish and Logan, yes I do have the Swinburn info about the very naughty Adam the convict. Those tats, red whiskers, tendency to remarry while married etc certainly paint an unattractive picture and yes, in case you're wondering, the red hair gene has survived all those generations and reemerged in both my brother and me... we don't have any tats though and we are very law abiding. The Lamberts sound a, bit posh, and if so, would have been mightily displeased with Ellen's choice of the ruddy Adam with his convict past.! Cheers Julie
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Yes I agree they may have been upset ;D
I have no idea if this is your Robert but it mentions a daughter Jane;
scroll down to Blayney "Holwood";
http://members.westnet.com.au/caladenia/windflourmills_aust.html
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From 1837 lists Robert Lambert Snr being given 1 convict;
http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1837/N/general/268.pdf
Will be off line for a while now and hope the experts pick this up for you.
Trish :)
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Emigration:
Mr & Mrs Lambert with 5 children (2 boys & 3 girls) arrived 15 Nov 1828 on the Henry Wellesley from London.
Mr Lambert - age 40 - Free Settler
Mrs - age 38 - Wife
Miss - age 16 - Daughter
Master - age 13 - Son
Miss - age 10 - Daughter
Master - age 8 - Son
Miss - age 5 - Daughter
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1828 Census:
The Lambert family are on the 1828 Census - they arrived just in time to be counted :D
They obviously bought their servants from England with them on the same ship as they are on the census with them.
Mr LAMBERT age 40, came free, religion p, ship Henry Wellesley 1828, Occupation Merchant, Residence Princes St Sydney.
Mrs LAMBERT age 38, came free, religion p, ship Henry Wellesley 1828, Residence Princes St Sydney.
Miss LAMBERT age 16, came free, religion p, ship Henry Wellesley 1828, Residence Princes St Sydney.
Master LAMBERT age 13, came free, religion p, ship Henry Wellesley 1828, Residence Princes St Sydney.
Ellen LAMBERT age 10, came free, religion p, ship Henry Wellesley 1828, Residence Princes St Sydney.
Frederick LAMBERT age 8, came free, religion p, ship Henry Wellesley 1828, Residence Princes St Sydney.
Clara LAMBERT age 5, came free, religion p, ship Henry Wellesley 1828, Residence Princes St Sydney.
Benjamin PERRY age 20, came free, religion p, ship Henry Wellesley 1828, Servant to Lambert, Residence Princes St Sydney.
Caleb SALTER age 32, came free, religion p, ship Henry Wellesley 1828, Servant to Lambert, Residence Princes St Sydney.
Mary SALTER age 34, came free, religion p, ship Henry Wellesley 1828, Servant to Lambert, Residence Princes St Sydney.
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What did I tell you ;)
The Experts would come along!
Thank you so much Merlin :)
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Possible Marriage;
Robert LAMBERT
Grace HAYLESH, 29 January 1811, Newburn, Northumberland
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Clara LAMBERT, Birth 18 June 1823, Christened 14 May 1828, Pentonville, London to ROBERT and GRACE
May be her depending when the Ship left London to arrive in Australia by Nov 1828.
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Grace LAMBERT, Birth 18 June 1823, Christened 14 May 1828, Pentonville, London to ROBERT and GRACE
May be her depending when the Ship left London to arrive in Australia by Nov 1828.
???
The 5yo daughter was named Clara.
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OOPS a "slip of the pen" :-[
Entry IS Clara and I will amend my posting.
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That's just brilliant , thankyou so much Merlin and Trish and Logan too. I am just trying to absorb all that information.....and to imagine the upset to the family when Ellen told them she was marrying Adam Swinburn(e). (1848, The Parish of Wollongong &C in the County of Camden) Presumably Adam kept his English marriage a secret. I'll try to fill in the gaps now and work out how this unlikely couple ended up down in the Illawarra district which is where they settled and had their two children. I feel I know so much more about their lives now thanks to you all. Julie
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Hi Julie,
I am checking in just before going to work.
There is likely to be a Will for Robert Lambert which might be worth looking into.
Also his Death Cert might be a good idea to purchase.
Trish :)
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Good idea Trish, now I know who Ellen's parents and siblings were, it opens up many more avenues for research. Ta Julie
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Hi jule :)
Have you seen this website - someone researching your Swinburn family, and mention of your Adam:
http://webspace.webring.com/people/au/um_7035/prestbury.html
The 1841 census of NSW shows Adam on 14th March as an "overseer" for a property owned by H. Osborne, at Kangaroo Valley (aka Kangaroo Ground) in a household of four males. Their house was made of wood :)
Cheers
Prue
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Newspaper their arrival
The Hobart Town Courier Sat 8th November 1828
Ship Henry Wellesley, from London 16th of June ~ Passengers for Van Diemen's Land ~
Mr and Mrs Lambert and 5 children.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4219804?searchTerm=
Adam Swinburn , residence Kangaroo Valley, Police District Berrima - 1841 Census
Adam Swinburn, Owner- H. OSBORNE,Kangaroo Ground, County Camden, District Illawarra. - 1841 census.
Their 'settlement intention'
The Sydney Gazette and NSW, Wed 19th Nov 1828 (p2)
Several very respectable settlers have arrived by the Henry Wellesley, Captain Church, and
amongst others two Gentlemen of the name of SMITH and LAMBERT, who bring out large
families, with considerable properties, to 'ADVANCE AUSTRALIA". Mr Lambert intends turning
his attention to agricultural pursuits, while Mr. Smith contemplates an embarkation into
the mercantile line on an extensive scale.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2191357?searchTerm=
2 absconded convicts from Robert Lambert
4th November 1830
James Driver, (vessel Lord Melville) runaway from Mr. Lambert, Bathurst - apprehended.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2196428?searchTerm=
5th May 1831
Listing of Absconded Prisoners.
James Rielley. No. 29-1470, (vessel America), age 23, Cotton Factor,from Canterbury, 5
feet 6, hazle eyes, brown, hair, ruddy freckled complexion, from Mr. Robert Lambert, of
Bathurst.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2200427?searchTerm=#pstart498838
Grants of Land 5th December 1832
No. 108.
Robert Lambert, senior - 2,560 acres, Parish of Napier, (Bathurst) ~ commencing at King's
Plains Creek.
Promised by Governor Darling on the 18th December 1828.Quit - rent 21/6/8d., commencing
1st Jan 1836
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2209750?searchTerm=
Daughter Jane Lambert
The Sydney Herald Thursday 8th January 1835 (p3)
Jane Lambert Marriage to A. Kinghorne.
On Tuesday, the 30th December, at Bathurst A. KINGHORNE, Esq., J.P. of Liverpool, to Jane,
eldest daughter of Robert Lambert, Esq., of Bathurst.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12851267?searchTerm=
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Thankyou all so much. I can't tell you how much joy all this information has given me. Cheers Julie
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Possible Birth/Christenings for other Children, IGI Extracted;
Jane LAMBERT, Birth 14 November 1811, Christening 14 February 1812, Saint Leonards, Streatham, Surrey, to ROBERT and GRACE
Frederich LAMBERT, 01 April 1820, St Thomas Ardwick, Manchester, Lancashire to ROBERT and GRACE
Now Robert was a Merchant and may have got around the Countryside.
In every Christening I have posted there is only the 1 Child on the Batch at that Church/Area to Robert and Grace.
As we dont know the name of other Son age 13 in 1828 it is difficult to find him.
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Lovely thanks Trish. The other 13 yr old son mentioned was Robert junior......he died at age 26. Cheers Julie
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Sorry, my mistake about the death age of Robert junior. Mixed him with Frederick, the youngest son who died in 1847. However, according to LoganH's references there was a mention of Robert Lambert SENIOR so I'm just guessing that the missing child (eldest son's) name must be Robert also. Cheers Julie
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Hi Julie,
Yes I looked for a Robert Jnr Christening but could not find one sorry.
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Am I too late coming in on this? Robert Lambert, from Streatham, Surrey, married Grace HOYLE (not Haylesh) in Northumberland. Grace was a Ripponden Hoyle, (John Hoyle - Agnes Hanson) ancestry traceable back to the Norman invasion in 1066.
Their 7 children were Jane b Surrey 14 Nov 1811, Robert, b London 2 Feb 1813, John Ward B Ripponden, Yorkshire 29 Jan 1815, Agnes b Ripponden 1816 (presumed died in infancy) Ellen b Ripponden 24 Apr 1818, Frederick Henry b 1820 Manchester, Clara b 18 Jun 1823.
Robert is not listed with the family on their arrival in the colony with 5 servants, but he was working on the family property "Holwood" Kings Plains, together with John.
Check out "Hoyle Connection" family tree on Ancestry.com.au.
Any extra information or amendments to this tree welcomed.
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It's never too late to learn more! That is all welcome and intriguing information... thanks so much. Unfortunately I'm not member of Ancestry at this point (but have been considering it) so, much to my frustration, I can't get into the Hoyle Connection tree. I could send you a personal message with my email address if you like and I would be happy to share any of my research (small though it may be) on the Ellen Lambert/Adam Swinburn line. Cheers and thanks Julie
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Jules, email me at (*) I have quite a bit of information gathered over the years.
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Hi, I don't know if you realise, but the property of Robert Lambert was called "Holwood", named after the Surrey home of Robert's sister Jane Frances who married John Ward Esquire. John Ward was a Member of Parliament, and his Surrey property was previously the home of Prime Minister William Pitt. He acquired great wealth in property, trade and connections.
Robert and Grace's son John Ward may have been named after the previous John Ward.
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Thanks so much for your information...... the puzzle is gradually being filled in with all the tiny pieces! How are you connected with the family? Any further information would be gladly received. Cheers Julie
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Your Robert Lambert was the half-brother of Fenton Thomas Lambert. He had a son Thomas Fenton Lambert who married my ancestor's sister, whose name was Mary Lambert(no relation as far as I can work out but same surname)
The Lambert family lived at Elland Hall in Halifax, which was pulled down some years ago.
Robert Lambert, set up his sons Fenton Thomas and Robert in partnership as Cotton Manufacturers at Lambert's Mill, Ripponden (1800, 1809), later known as Stone's Mill. Apparently the partnership was dissolved when Robert Lambert emigrated to Australia.
Hope this helps, I don't know how much you know about the family. I can imagine that Ellen marrying a convict did not go down too well, seeing that her father employed convict labour.
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Hello, I am new to rootschat, but I am wondering if you have any information regarding the Lambert family of Yorkshire. My ancestor was Thomas Lambert, a tanner at Dodworth Green. I haven't been able to trace his parentage, but he married Mary Garlick, the Garlicks being a prominent family in Barnsley and Dodworth
Thomas's daughter Mary married Thomas Fenton Lambert, grandson of Robert Lambert who married Grace Hoyle, although as far as I can see Mary and Thomas Fenton were not related.
Thomas had a son William Garlick Lambert who I am descended from.
Cheers, Julie
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Hi,
Fenton Thomas Lambert married (1) Mary Lambert, had daughter Mary. Married (2) Mary Halliwell. He always seemed to have one or more Marys with him! in 1851 He had his first wife Mary, her mother and their daughter (3 Marys) living with him. In 1871 his 2nd wife Mary and his daughter were with him. In his later years Thomas was Municipal Registrar of Birth and Deaths in Stainland, Yorks.
I haven't found anything about Thomas Lambert, other than that he was a tanner, married Mary Garlick in 1800. He seems to have died before 1841, as his Mary was living with her daughter and son-in-law then.
Have you checked out Malcolm Bulls site? http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~calderdalecompanion/l.html - well worth a look, quite a bit of Lambert info there, some of which I have provided, along with many other contributors.
Cheers,
Val
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Sorry about my last message, of course I was referring to Thomas Fenton Lambert, not Fenton Thomas. Oops,
Val