RootsChat.Com
Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Berwickshire => Topic started by: Aussie1947 on Sunday 26 September 10 23:28 BST (UK)
-
Hi,
My GGF was Adam Edward Young who died in charters Towers Queensland in 1902 and from his death Registration I had that Adam's parents were Adam Edward Young and mother Kate Hayes and I thought that he must have came out from the UK for the North Queensland gold rush but an astute Rootschatter found that he was actually born in the Colony of Victoria in 1864 with his parents coming out as single persons for the Victorian gold rush then marrying in Victoria in 1862.
His parents being Catherine Hayes and Adam Young
I purchased a copy of the marriage certificate for Catherine Hayes and Adam Young to get any important research information that I could and now I would like to find out more about Adam Young and Catherine Hayes starting off with Adam.
What I know
The 1862 marriage certificate states that Adam's Young was 30 and born in Berwickshire Scotland and his mother was Elizabeth Currie and father John Young. Catherine Hayes was 21, born in County Limerick Ireland and her parents were John Hayes and Elizabeth Quinley.
I would appreciate any information on on Adam Young (Adam edward Young) and his family. Adam was born in Berwickshire Scotland around 1832 whose parents were John Young and Elizabeth Currie.
Regards
Gerry
-
Hi Gerry
I think this might be the Young family on the 1841 census:
John Young 46, agr. Lab. b. England
Elizabeth Young 45 b. England
Ann Young 17 b. England
Andrew Young 15 b. England
William Young 13
Adam Young 11
John Young 8
Mary Young 4
Robert Thomson Young 1
Address: Greenknow, Gordon, Berwickshire
This comes from a transcript. Not a bad idea to check the original image on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for accuracy.
Monica :)
-
Entry from 1851:
Elizabeth Young 54 b. England
William C Young 23, shepherd b. England
Mary Young 13 b. Gordon, Berwicksh
Robert T Young 11 b. Gordon, Berwicksh
Agnes Hall 18, servant
Address: Greenknow, Gordon, Berwickshire
The only possible entry for Adam I can see in 1851 is an Adam Young, 20, blacksmith servant b. Coldstream, Berwickshire living at the Scott household in Abernethy, Perthshire.
Monica
-
Gerry, there are a couple of family trees on Ancestry for this line (don't know if you have a subscription which lets you access them?).
Essentially they show:
John Young b. 19 Feb 1795 in Kirknewton , Northumberland to Andrew Young and Mary Clark. Died on 2 Apr 1847 in Greenknowe, Gordon, Berwickshire
Elizabeth Curry born c. 1796 in England to William Curry and Ann Hall. Died on 10 Sept 1871 in Gordon, Berwickshire.
No details on the trees regarding Adam, but details on some siblings, including marriages and descendents.
Monica
-
Monica,
Wow that was fast, thanks for the information.
It definately looks good and I do have credits with Scotlandspeople so I'll be onto there shortly. ( have been looking for Stuart family history in Glenbucket)
If it is them that means that the parents were born in England so I'll be looking for a marriage and births of his parents there although before 1837 it will be a bit tricky.
I'll check for Adam's birth as well on Scotlandspeople.
Thanks again.
-
Pre 1837, you will need to check for Parish entries. From IGI, for example, this looks a likely entry for Adam's parents' marriage:
JOHN YOUNG and ELIZABETH CURRY Marriage: 29 NOV 1822 Kirknewton, Northumberland
Apart from the old IGI search on www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true remember to use the newly released databases by the LDS available here http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home (a bit quirky on searches, but you will get the hang of it pretty soon!).
Monica
-
Monica,
Thanks once again,
I use Ancestry at the State Libray so i might be able to access the trees there or I'll try and email the holders.
I wouldn't expect there would be much on Adam who came to the Colony of Victoria because I had difficulty finding out information myself but now I have details that I could pass on.
Your expertise is greatly appreciated, I got up this morning knowing that Adam Young was married in 1862 with parents John and Elizabeth and within two hours I highly likely have not only census information but also his parents births and deaths.
Gerry
-
Monica,
I got some great documents off Scotaldspeople which match very well but one is never 100%.
Death Certificate for Elizabeth Young nee Currie.
Parish burial record for John Young.
Census information.
Thanks again
Gerry
-
Hello,
Re: the above John Young and Elizabeth Currie are buried in Gordon Churchyard, Berwickshire.
Details are-
'In memory of John Young shepherd Greenknowe who died 30.3.1847 aged 52 years also Elizabeth Currie his wife who died at East Gordon 10.9.1871 aged 73 years.
Elizabeth Currie's parents you have already confirmed as
William Curry and Ann Hall
William Curry was born 30.1.1748 at Chatton,
Anne Hall bc. 1752 at Milfield (Northumberland)
died 7.5.1807
William's parents (Elizabeth's Grandparents) were
Thomas Curry bc 1697 at Kilham & Campey
died 13.3.1784 at Kirknewton (Northumberland)
wife Margaret ..... bc. 1711 died 30.4.1770
A number of Currys are buried at Kirknewton Church Graveyard, including Margaret & Thomas. The quaint wording on the gravestone you may be interested in reading
'Here lye the remains of Margaret Curry who died April 30th the year 1770 aged 59 years. Also her spouse Thomas Curry husbandman at Kilham diared hear the 13th March 1784 aged 87 years. They were a happy cupil and indulgent parents.'
You will notice the surname is usually spelt Curry, which may help you in your searches in England.
I am descended from Elizabeth's eldest brother, Thomas.
JC
-
JC,
Thanks very much for the reply and great information.
A few months ago I couldn't go past the death of my great grandfather Adam Edward Young in 1902 at Charters Towers Queensland but thanks to RootsChat I have now discovered a lot about a side of my family that was always a mystery.
I do have the 1871 death certificate for Elizabeth Curry from ScotlandsPeople but nothing else. Would you know if there are any Parish or Church Records available for any other events?
If you need any details on Adam Edward Young, the son of John and Elizabeth who migrated to Victoria Australia please let me know and I'll send you the family information.
Thanks for the tip on Curry in lieu of Currie, it will help
Once again thanks for making contact.
Regards
Gerry
-
Hello Gerry,
Thank you for the prompt reply.
For burial information I have contacted the Scottish Borders Council. Some of the old burial records are in their possession. I contacted the office at Galashiels on the last occasion, as I was looking at Bedrule in Roxburghshire
They have a website
www.scotborders.gov.uk which might help you.
The Heritage Hub has recently opened, I have not contacted them, but their website is archives[at]scotborders.gov.uk (replace [at] with @)I understand.
I have only once contacted a Church for help, but telephoned as my cousin gave me the telephone number of the local postmistress, who gave me the telephone number of the local councillor who gave me the telephone number of the Church Secretary! No good for you. Perhaps if you put the name village or town in question they will have a web site which might point you in the right direction. Sorry, not much help, someone else may be more forthcoming.
I do make use of the following site -
www.maxwellancestry.com/census
It's super for no charge you can often access the census records of 1841, 1851 & 1861 and follow the fortunes of family members. As many of them worked as agricultural labourers or shepherds they could move frequently. There were the annual hirings, when workers gathered to be hired for another year. (My Mother well remembered the hirings in May in Kelso Square, the farm workers came with their carts loaded with their worldly possessions, and the horses she said were decorated, tails plaited).
If you do go on this site and check the 1861 Berwickshire records you will find living at 7 Newton Street, Mid Div. Duns (3 rooms with windows) is
Elizabeth Young aged 64, Widow, Shepherd's wife born England.
Elizabeth is living with her son Andrew aged 35 Clerk in Lawer's office (managing) his wife Agnes and a Boarder.
Also living in Duns is Mary Young, aged 21 house maid born Gordon, working for James Cunningham, Solicitor & Bank Agent. This house has 12 rooms with windows.
William Young can be found at Shepherd's House, Harrietfield, Nenthorn. After 1861 he and his wife had a further six children. I check up on the familysearch site for these, it is just so expensive otherwise, they all had such large families.
If you check in the Roxburghshire records living at Sprouston at Gateside with 2 windows are Walter Curry Shepherd and his wife Janet & family of 9. Also listed is
Robert T. Young, Servant aged 22, Shepherd born Gordon.
This Walter Curry was Elizabeth Currie's nephew (one of the sons of her eldest brother Thomas Curry) His wife was formerly Janet Young.
The Curry family was a large extended family and often employed a family member.
I guess at the moment you are concentrating on Adam Young's family and their details. I will gladly share my records if you ever feel you want to expand.
I await, with interest to learn if you discover the vessel which Adam sailed on.
I know other Youngs went to Australia, I can look through my records to see if I can find the paperwork. Also Elizabeth's niece Ann Curry went to Australia, other family went to America.
Regards, JC
-
Jc,
I'm back again.
Thanks for the site information especially the maxwellancestry one and I'll be emailing the heritage hub site as well.
While I should be concentrating on Adam Young I got sidetracked after I found the "Durham Bishop's Transcripts" on FamilySearch site and have turned up some great documents for Kirknewton including the marriage of Elizabeth Curry and John Young in 1822, the death of Ann Curry in 1807, the death of Walter Hall Curry plus other great information.
You are sure right about big families, at this point in time I have John Young's parents as Andrew Young and Mary Clarke and there were 10 children including John Young who married Elizabeth Curry. I also have William Curry and Ann Hall having a lot of children as well, at least 9 at this point in time including Elizabeth.
I haven't found out as yet how Adam Young came out to the Colony of Victoria I have him as a Blacksmith around 1860 at Smythesdale near Ballarat. he was married in 1864, his wife Elizabeth (nee Hayes) died in 1871 and he died in 1880 leaving 2 sons whom I have recently found out went to live with their late mother's sister at Kyabram in Victoria.
The following site which was posted by another RootsChat member on 1st Sept 09 has some information on William Curry.
www.communities.northumberland.gov.uk then under Wooler Community then manuscripts has some information mentioning a William Curry under the documents "men and Carts 1798" and also "Land Tax 1806"
I'm trying to get what I have into some form of order as more information comes to hand, I do have a software program which I'm learning how to use.
Regards
Gerry
-
Hello Gerry,
Thanks for the mail. I have tried to gain access to the Durham Bishops Transcripts via. familysearch, without success. Is this the LDS site? Could you give me some pointers just how you get into the site please, I am not very computer literate I must emphasise.
Elizabeth Curry(Currie) had eight brothers and sisters, I have their details but it would seem you have found them out for yourself, but if you want any more details I will gladly share.
I have some fiche I could check for 'Youngs' when I have the opportunity.
I had seen the Wooler site you mention, and did wonder if the William Curry was part of my tree.
Regards, JC
-
Hello Gerry,
I'm not sure how much you want to bother about the Curry side, but if you want to find out a starting point would be Elizabeth's eldest brother, Thomas.
Thomas Curry born 19 March 1777 married Isabella Wilson on 17th February 1808 at Kirknewton. Their first three children were born in Morebattle, Roxburghshire, Scotland (just down the road from Kirknewton)
Familysearch batch no. C118012 (Ann Curry was born in Morebattle).
They moved back to Northumberland and their next seven children were christened at West Chapel Presbyterian Church, Wooler, familysearch batch no. POO4531 refers. I have the birth dates, these are the christening dates.
The above Ann Curry married John Younger 1831 and they, together with their children including John Curry Younger (born Coldstream in 1840) emigrated to Australia in 1856 sailing on 'Almora arriving at Port Philip 13th September. A Curry family tree colleague has a family bible in which is written 'John C. Younger, Yearing, Lilydale Post Office, Melbourne, Australia. It is now presumed the spelling should have been Yering, which I understand is a wine-growing area.
If you can check YOUNGER on rootsweb for 2003 there is apparently a site dealing with the Younger family in Australia. Grenville Younger has been making enquiries on this part of his family tree.
Haven't been on the Bishops Transcripts yet - so much snow here, impressive to look at, but not as much fun as it was when I was a child!
Regards, JC
-
Thanks JC for the email,
Thanks for the information on Thomas I thought he had married an Isabella but I hadn't looked beyond that because I have been concentrating on Elizabeth.
Interesting that John Curry Younger was born at Coldstream in 1840 and migrated to Australia because my Adam Young was also born at Coldstream around 1830 and migrated as well. I'll check out the Younger trees.
I had a significant find yesterday with a coroners enquiry into the death of Adam Young's wife Elizabeth in 1870, she was only 28. Mentioned in the report was information of where she came from in Ireland and how long she had been in Victoria which lines up with a ship that I thought Elizabeth had came out on, more importantly though was the mention of her mother living 5 km away. While I was aware that her mother had come out to Victoria from Tipperary at some stage I didn't know where she went to but now I know it was before 1870 and where she was living.
We are seeing a lot of TV about your weather and for us Aussies a lot of snow looks like fun but I can imagine that the novelty would wear off after a few days.
All the best.
Gerry
-
Hello again Gerry, thanks for your reply.
That was a real find - Adam Young's mother-in-law living in the vicinity. You really are making super progress, it's like that with family tree, then you can go into a time when it's very slow, or worse, nothing.
I apologise I didn't even give you a clue of Thomas & Isabella's children's names and dates to start off at West Chapel Presbyterian NC Church, Wooler.
The first one to find is Walter, b.6.7.1814 , then Thomas, George, Margaret, Isabella, William (the first William born in Morebattle Scotland died in 1822) and lastly another Margaret in 1830, the first Margaret having died in 1827.
The Currys often followed the Scottish naming pattern, i.e. the first son is named for his paternal Grandfather, first daughter for her maternal Grandmother, second son for his maternal Grandfather, second daughter for her paternal Grandmother. Often if a son or daughter died then the next girl or boy would be given their name. It's not a hard-fast rule, but very often a good clue when researching.
Best regards, JC
-
Hi,
My GGF was Adam Edward Young who died in charters Towers Queensland in 1902 and from his death Registration I had that Adam's parents were Adam Edward Young and mother Kate Hayes and I thought that he must have came out from the UK for the North Queensland gold rush but an astute Rootschatter found that he was actually born in the Colony of Victoria in 1864 with his parents coming out as single persons for the Victorian gold rush then marrying in Victoria in 1862.
His parents being Catherine Hayes and Adam Young
I purchased a copy of the marriage certificate for Catherine Hayes and Adam Young to get any important research information that I could and now I would like to find out more about Adam Young and Catherine Hayes starting off with Adam.
What I know
The 1862 marriage certificate states that Adam's Young was 30 and born in Berwickshire Scotland and his mother was Elizabeth Currie and father John Young. Catherine Hayes was 21, born in County Limerick Ireland and her parents were John Hayes and Elizabeth Quinley.
I would appreciate any information on on Adam Young (Adam edward Young) and his family. Adam was born in Berwickshire Scotland around 1832 whose parents were John Young and Elizabeth Currie.
Regards
Gerry
-
I am that Grenville Younger! - GG grandson of John & Ann [nee Curry] Younger
My John & Ann arrived in Melbourne in 1856, went to Yering shortly afterwards, purchasing land there in 1861. They followed some other relatives here, who also went to Yering about the same time. John Curry Younger my G grandfather.
Glad [love to!] to have contact, I am always interested to learn more of the story.
Grenville Y
-
I'm back tracking my ancestors of my mothers side of the CURRY family from Newcastle upon tyne to Kirknewton. I have taken recent photograph copies of the headstones mentioned
Would any CURRY ancesters like to exchange info?
-
pup 609,
My connection is with Elizabeth Curry/Currie marrying John Young at Kirknewton on December 29th 1822.
Happy to exchange information.
Regards
Gerry
-
i have not read the emails closely yet but will do tonight.
My fathers family name is GREBBY and my mothers family name is CURRY. My grandfather was Thomas Hunter CURRY (1893-1980) who stems from William Thomas Curry (1850-1930) and Thomas Curry (1817-1888) and Thomas Curry (1781-1843 & Isabella) of Kirknewton
I believe that there are CURRY's still living in the Wooler area who i am trying to contact. Although i live in Newcastle upon Tyne, Tyneside, I contract around the country and presently work in Glasgow. On returning home this friday afternoon, I may be able to call in to Wooler or where ever to check for any records - is there anything that you specifically require?
There are a number of Curry family members who have emigrated to Australia since 1890 from Tyneside - the oldest being Adam Hunter Curry (b1885)
-
I am so very excited to have read your post .To date I had been unable to find your Adam Young,he seemed to have gone off the radar as far as the searches I made were concerned.
My line goes back to John Young myGr.Gr.Gr.Father.Born in Kirknewton,Northumberland Dd. Gordon,Berwickshire.They produced a family of seven;
Ann 1824-1885
Andrew 1827-1896
William Currie 12/12/1827-8/9/1919 buried Morebattle, Roxburghshire, Scotland,Gr.Gr. Father.
Adam 1833-1880.
John1833-1903
Robert Thomson 1840-1922
Mary 1841-1952.
William Currie marr. Elizabeth Black and they had 11 children.Their 9th. child , James br.1868 was my Gr Gr. Father.His eldest son William Currie Young was my late Gr. Father on my maternal side.
Hope this is of interest to you and hope to hear from you soon.
Alison.
-
Hi Alison,
Thanks for the reply and interest in Adam Young. Great to find more connections to John Young and Elizabeth Currie.
Briefly, my GGGF was Adam Young who settled at Smythesdale in Victoria when he came out to Australia probably around 1857, he set himself up as a blacksmith, married and had 3 children. One of his sons was Adam Edward Young and he made his way to the goldfields of Charters Towers in North Queensland where he married and one of his children was Mary Catherine Young, my GM.
Sadly Adam Edward Young died at 37 in 1902 and his widow Rosina Young (Meier) remarried.
I have a photo of Adam Edward Young's grave site at Charters Towers if you would like it plus some I have other information that might fill some gaps.
Regards
Gerry
-
Hi
This is a copy of a reply I replied to posted under the SUbject Greenknowe
Hi,
I have John YOUNG b1795 d 30 Mar 1847
at Greenknowe, Gordon
wife was Elisabeth CURRIE b 1796 England
died East Gordon, Gordon 10 Sep 1871
"Monumental Inscription in St Michael's Churchyard, Gordon
Border Family History Society Publication "MI" for
Gordon, Nenthorn & Westruther # 7", Published1999, isbn 1 874232 04 4
Entry # 129
" In memory of John YOUNG Shepherd Greenknowe who died
30.3.1847 aged 52 years also Elizabeth CURRIE his wife who
died east Gordon 10.9.1871 aged 73 years."
Greenknowe is a farm on the Kelso to Lauder road just north of the village of Gordon.
It is possible that your Adam Edward Young in Charter Towers was aware of relatives
ie Crow or Thorburn.
My wifes aunt was married to a HUNTER in Gordon and thru that the YOUNG/CURRIE
line.
here is what I have for the 1851 Census from SP
"1851 Census Pasrish of Gordon, County of Berwick
30/03/1851 Census, RD; 742/00 002/00 005, Page 5
Dwelling Greenknow (no e in the spelling then) Parish County
Elizabeth YOUNG Head Widow 54 F England
William YOUNG Son U 23 M Shepherd England
Mary YOUNG Daur 13 F Gordon Berwick
Robert T YOUNG Son 11 M Gordon Berwick
Agnes Hall Servt U 18 F Farm Servant Longformacus Berwick"
I hope I can be of some help, we still have a relative in the village.
Yours Aye,
Angus
Logged
~~~~~~~~
Watt, Beattie,Glass,McDougal, Guthrie,Blackie,Pringle,Balmer,Headridge,Hunter,France,Greenhill
Gordon,Lawson,Anderson,Reid,Stott,Milne,Jackson,Walker McArthur,Hardie.Dunnet,Dundas
Thorburn, Mosley, Stewart, Wood, Gladstone, Darrie,Melrose
Duff,and in the States/Canada: Kidder,Duff, Blake,Robertson,Kerr.
-
Hi Angus, thanks for the reply and more information especially re the Thorburn & Crow connections. My Adam Edward Young was very young when his mother & father (Adam) died at Smythesdale and he and his brother were taken in by their Auntie at Kyabram in Victoria.
Interesting to see 18 year old Agnes Hall residing at Greenknow in 1851 I believe that Elizabeth Young's (nee Currie/Curry) mother was Ann Hall.
Adam Young is a Greenknow in 1841 but in 1851 I see him as a blacksmith servant working for David Scott at West Drumhead in Perthshire. While I'm not 100% certian it is him the evidence is strong though.
Birth year about correct 1831-1833 ( I cant find his birth registration)
Born at Coldstream (same as stated on his death certificate)
Blacksmith servant, was a blacksmith in Smythesdale Victoria Australia.
Not at Greenknowe in 1851.
It's great to know that there was/is a MI for John & Elizabeth Young at Gordon, ttere is a bronze plaque at the Smythedale Cemetery in Victoria for their son Adam young whom was a pioneer settler in the area and there is a nice (still in good condition) MI at ChartersTowers in Queensland for their grandson Adam Edward Young.
Your help and information is greatly appreciated and I'll look at the Crow Thorburn connections and get back once I have some details.
Regards
Gerry