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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: JohnSteel on Sunday 26 September 10 16:06 BST (UK)
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I have a certificate of Robert Steel's ( b 1801 Dryfesdale, Dumfries d 13 Sept 1869) death. It lists his mother maiden surname as Rae. It lists her name, what appears to be Jack Steel. I have looked in the records and there are some Janet Rae's, but that seems to be a stretch. Any thoughts?
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Similar post here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,485294.0.html
with some replies already.
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Hi John
I see that the certificate was signed by his son. The information given on these documents is only as good as the memory of the person giving it. You might have to look elsewhere for possible candidates and then see if the names could possibly be what is entered on the death certificate.
Do you have the birth entry or marriage record for Robert? Although his marriage would be well before statutory registration (about 1820 given the ages of his children in the 1841 census) they can sometimes contain a lot of information.
Do you know where Robert is buried? He might be on the same headstone as his parents. Memorial Inscriptions from many burial grounds have been published by Family History Societies around the country. There are also some good websites you could try. There should be links around Rootschat to useful resources.
Kirsty
ps. It does look to me to be Jack. Possible it was a pet name? or short for Jaqueline/Jacobina?
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I am curious about the naming of first (?) born daughter to Robert and wife Janet McCormick in 1824, Mary BARTON Steel. Next born daughter Elizabeth after Janet's mother?
Monica
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On http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start there are the following entries:
To parents John Steel and Mary Barton:
Agnes Steel chr. 08 May 1774 in Dryfesdale
Isobel Steel chr.30 Jun 1776 in Dryfesdale
John Steel chr. 15 Dec 1778 in Dryfesdale
Not sure if connected. Also not sure whether the above christening entries would include an occupation for father John that could help.
Like you Kirsty, wondering whether a wrong name may have been given for Robert's mother.
Monica
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If Robert Steel had registered the death of either of his parents that could give confirmation. It could be an expensive mistake though if the correct certificate is not the first one found.
edit: also chances are they died before statutory reg. so no cert.
Kirsty
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Fifer has come up with a good result on the deciphering board that Nel has already linked above http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,485294.0.html
He has found an entry for a Robert Steel, father John (no mother's name included which is a pity) christened in Dryfesdale on 11 Jan 1801 - good fit :)
I am now wondering whether the John, son of John and Mary (Barton) may be the missing link to Robert? Hard to say as we are missing some key data still :-\
Monica
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Hi everyone,
Thank you for the replies. I do have the birth certificate, it lists John as a blacksmith and Robert was a blacksmith as well as some of his children and grandchildren. I have not been able to find a marriage certificate. Mother was not listed on birth Certificate. I have subscribed to Ancestry.com and have searched Scotlands People. I have looked for females during this time span in dryfesdale and have found Janets, Jeans, Janes, a Jeills and a Julina. I have searched names that start with other letters than J and have not had much luck.
On Ancestry.com, I have contacted a distant relative. On her tree, she lists Mary Barton as the wife. She said she came to that conclusion based on Scottish naming practices. She had ltttle to no documents on her tree to support lineage. I have not heard from her in 6 months and by her age she may have passed away. I suspect as Monica does, that Mary Barton's son John is Roberts father. I do not know where Robert is burried.
Once again, thank you for your input.
John
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Here is the family on 1841 census
Robert Steel 40
Janet Steel 38
Mary Steel 17
John Steel 10
Robert Steel 8
James Steel 6
Janet Steel 4
Thomas Steel 1
There is no John Steel (Blacksmith) on the census and I can't see a candidate for his wife of the correct age. The informant, Robert may not have known his grandparents if they died when he was young or even before he was born.
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Are the Dryfesdale MIs available online - or maybe someone might have access?
Gadget
PS - a bit of duplication/confusion because the other thread was posted much earlier - any chance of a merge or a lock :-\
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Census 1841
Piece: SCT1841/829 Place: Hoddam -Dumfries-shire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Hoddam Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 13
Address: Ecclefechan
RAE Jane F 60 Grocer Dumfries-shire
RAE Jack F 55 Dumfries-shire
MANIFOLD Richard M 20 Rural Police Constable Ireland
Have viewed this on SP and clearly reads Jack Rae - female. Given rounding of ages in 1841 census this Jack would be approx 55 - 60 and could well have had a son born circa 1801.
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1851
Jane Rae 78
Joann Rae 74
Thomas Hunter 37
Robert B Hunter 8
Mary I Hunter 6
Name: Joann Rae
Age: 74
Estimated birth year: abt 1777
Relationship: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire
Civil parish: Hoddom
Town: Ecclefechan
County: Dumfriesshire
Occupation: Merchant (grocer)
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Hi John,
I hope to go to NRH later in the week I shall ask them for their help to decipher.
Betsy
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Thank you all for your help. My parent's eye sight is not very good and my wife does not like genealogy, she says it interferes with her sex life. I have no idea what she is talking about. It has been great to get some more opinions. I have been blown away by how helpfull everyone has been.
Thanks again.
John