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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: dollysearch on Saturday 25 September 10 15:50 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I wonder if anybody can help with the above surnames.
They all come from Kippford and I am trying to find the connections.
I have an old photo (around 1820)of Ann Sloan as an old lady with Samuel Murdoch Crosbie b 1849. Ann's middle name was Corsbie but I guess a mistake occurred and it should read 'Crosbie'.
Samuel moved to Liverpool with his family when he was ten (His father was a ship's carpenter) but Samuel retired to Kippford after being a schoolmaster in L'Pool. He also was the auther of 'Scauronion', a series of historic features in the local paper.
His father, Adam married Margaret Murdoch who was an ancestor of William Murdoch, 1st officer on the Titanic.
I also have two other Murdoch's on my tree:Jannet c1761 who married John Tait and Janet c1762 who married Nathan Sloan.
Lots of the Porters and Murdochs perished at sea Kippford being a seagoing village.
Really would appreciate any info.
Thanks :)
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Hello Dolly, I am realted to Samule murdoch crosbie and also have a picture of him.
I would love to see the picture you have
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thank you
wendy and dave
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Hi Wendy & Dave,
Unfortunately your email address was removed due to the policy of Roots chat. :(
It is good to hear from you and I wonder if you know what the connection is between Samuel and Ann Sloan. I shall attach the photo of them both with this message.
If you have any of the above names on your tree, please would you let me know as I might be able to work out something. ;D
Thanks for the reply.
Shirley
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Shirley,
If you have access to Ancestry there are at least 10 public trees on that site with
details of the Murdock family..... a little of what some show..........................
Samuel Murdock Crosbie 1848-1937 (Headmaster at Walton-on-the-Hill) married to Sarah Laird Thomson 1852-1935. (They had 7 children) Samuels parents were Margaret Murdock b 1820 & Adam Crosbie 1818-1893.
I have a faint connection through a daughter of Margarets brother James.
Rgds Matt
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Thanks Matt,
I do have access to Ancestry and will make some time to look for clues there.
Thanks for the hint.
Shirley
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Hello,
I've a real interest for the history of William M. Murdoch, and that's how I discovered the texts of Samuel Murdoch Crosbie about ships and sailors of Kippford.
Recently, I bought a tourist guide of Kippford, Rockcliffe and others seasides of Colvend. It's the third edition, published in 1937.
I would write a small article about Crosbie on my site (http://avelkeltia.illustrateur.org/), and as I like to know the faces of people I study, I am very happy to have found your photo. Can I use it for my article? Of course I understand if you do not want.
Thanking you in advance for your response. ;)
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:)Hello,
Sorry for the delay but I have been rather busy lately.
Of course, please use the photo.
If you have any information relating to William Murdoch which might help me unlock the connection between my family Sloan/Porter/ Crosbie with the Murdoch's. I would appreciate it.
Thanks
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Hello,
Thanks! It's very nice of you.
I published the article on Samuel Crosbie on my site, with the Murdoch family tree to locate him in the family. I realized this tree by researching on Ancestry.com, and by reading the Störmer's biography about William McMaster Murdoch, and also with the articles written by Samuel Crosbie. I do not know if it can help you, but if I find more information I'll let you know.
Do you know who is Ann Sloan with regard to Samuel Crosbie, and where this photo was taken? She seems to have been taken in the last years of his life, perhaps in 1920 or 1930 when he returned to live at Kippford ?
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I forgot to post the link to my article: http://avelkeltia.illustrateur.org/2012/03/22/samuel-murdoch-crosbie/
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The Scotsman News paper – Wednesday, 10th August 1932
KIPPFORD DIAMOND WEDDING
An address of congratulation has been presented to Mr and Mrs S. M. Crosbie. The Anchorage, Kippford, by visitors and residents of the Kippford district of the Solway, on the attainment of their diamond wedding.
Mr Crosbie, who is a native of the district, was for many years a schoolmaster in Liverpool and on his retirement returned to reside at Kippford, which has developed as a holiday resort during his lifetime, and largely as a result of his efforts.
In his earlier years, he annually brought with him a large contingent of visitors from Liverpool, and he was the means of getting hill paths made and a sea wall and roadways constructed, as well as making the natural attractions of the district, known elsewhere, with the result that holidaymakers from England and Scotland in large numbers annually visit the district.
Mr Crosbie is connected by birth with Paul Jones, who was a native of Arbigland, a few miles along the Solway coast from Kippford. Mrs Crosbie is a daughter of the late Mr Robert Thomson, Linlithgow. For forty-four years ‘Mr Crosbie was headmaster of Everton School, Liverpool. In 1889 he instituted evening continuation classes to take the place of night schools.
These were conspicuously successful, and led to recognition of the system by Government. He took a special interest in music, and was the pioneer in teaching the sol-fa system in Liverpool. Amongst his Solwayside activities, he took a prominent part in getting a lighthouse placed on Heston Island. S. R. Crockett was one of his friends and contemporaries.
The Scotsman Newspaper – Monday, 1st March 1937
THE LATE MR S . M . CROSBIE
Pioneer in Adult Education
A SOLWAYSIDE FIGURE
A well-known Solwayside figure has been removed in the death of Mr Samuel Murdoch Crosbie, The Anchorage, Kippford. In August 1932.
Mr and Mrs Crosbie celebrated their diamond wedding, and on that occasion received a kindly message of congratulations and good wishes from the King and Queen.
Mr Crosbie, who was widely known by the pen-name,” Scaurorian,” was a native of Kippford, or the Scaur where he was born in 1848.
The village than consisted of only twenty thatched houses. Mr Crosbie’s father went to Liverpool in 1858; and at the age of thirteen the son became a pupil-teacher, and ultimately in 1871, was appointed headmaster and held this position in various important schools in Liverpool for a period of 44 years.
In 1889, he instituted a system of evening continuation classes, which proved notably successful, as many as 1100 adult students being in attendance for several years. – In conducting these classes a staff of fifty-five masters was engaged.
He was the pioneer in arranging classes for Liverpool police, and in introducing the tonic sol-fa system of teaching music into the Liverpool schools.
Mr Crosbie was always keenly interested in music, and visitors to Kippford, which developed as a popular holiday resort on the “Solway largely though his enthusiasm and continuous recommendation, will remember the open-air community singing which he used to conduct on fine summer evenings on an eminence outside the village overlooking the estuary of the Urr. The first school swimming gala held in Liverpool was organised by him and he was one of the founders of the Everton Football Club.
KIPPFORD AMENITIES
On his retirement he went to live in his native village, and took a great interest in the development and beautifying of the district.
Concerts which he organised many years ago provided money for the formation of the Jubilee Path from Kippford across the hill to Rockcliffe, a pleasant walk commanding beautiful views.
He was instrumental in getting a pier built at Kippford, which made possible the yachting facilities which are one of the features of the summer period at Kippford. Funds for a variety of other purposes were raised from time to time through his tireless organisation efforts.
Up to last year Mr Crosbie, though well over eighty years of age was to be seen cruising in all weathers in his sailing boat in the estuary. He contributed frequently to the Gallovidian Annual, his reminiscences forming a valuable and absorbing record of the life of “the district in early times, when schooners were still built at Kippford, and travel by sea in sailing vessels was still common.
He was the author of a “Guide to Kippford, Rockcliffe, and other Colvend Seaside Resorts,” which is a valuable aid to closer acquaintance with an exceptionally interesting district.
It is a coincidence that after efforts extending over several decades to get a public water supply for the village, the supply pipe of a County Council scheme had been laid to his residence just at the time of his death. Mr Crosbie was held in high respect by friends in all parts of the country and abroad. Mrs Crosbie died over a year ago. He is survived by two sons and four daughters. One of the daughters, Mrs Manson, wife of a director of Messrs Harrap, the publishers, was recently chairman of the London Galloway Association.
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Samuel Murdoch Crosbie left with his wife. Picture taken in Kippford.
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Hi Dave UK
Thank you so much for this photo and info about SM Crosbie.
I knew quite a bit of it but certainly not the fact that Samuel started Everton football club. Amazing, especially as I am from Liverpool!
I shall send all this info to a descendant of Ann Sloan who lives in Canada whom I've been liaising with.
I have been to Kippford a couple of times to find my ancestors, it's a beautiful sleepy seaside village.
I'd love to know what connection you have with Samuel Crosbie, maybe you can provide me with the missing link.
Thanks again
Shirley :)
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Ann Sloan is my great great grandmother and she married Edward Howell. Ann died September 1899 and I am assuming the photo of her with S M Crosbie would have been taken within the ten years prior to her death as she looks a very old lady. She was born 1823 to James Sloan and Phillis Tait.
My mother was born in Kippford and is part of the Dickinson family. I have visited a few times over the last few years. I live in New Zealand.
Carole
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Thank you for all this information, it is very interesting. But what are the ties to Ann Sloan with S. Crosbie? Did they have family ties?
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That is what we are trying to find out. The photo came from my collection originally and was taken in Kippford by the slipway.
Ann has the middle name Crosbie which is why I suspect she and SM Crosbie are related but so far there is no proof. Kippford being a small village the families often intermarried.
What I would really like to know is where Ann's parents James Sloan and Phillis Tait came from. I have not been able to find a marriage for them yet. All the children were born in the Colvend area.
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Other names which appear in my family are Lowden and Cumming which are also in the Murdoch family.
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I hope you can find informations about it.
It seemed to me that the photo was taken by the slipway, we can see the prow of a ship on the left, I'm glad to see that I was not mistaken, although I've never been to Kippford.
I prepare a second article, on my website, about S. Crosbie, can I post your photo to illustrate it?
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I am happy for the photo to be posted and hope that further information will come from it.
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Carole,
I'm so sorry and can't understand why I posted that you lived in Canada and not New Zealand! I must have been having a very senior moment!
I haven't been researching my family tree for ages so have forgotten a lot about it but I have just looked at my chart and find that I have James Sloane 1786- 1858 (My GGG Grandfather) coming from Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire. His parents were Nathan Sloane and Janet Murdock 1762 (notice the spelling).
I also have Phyllis Tait 1781-1868 m James Sloane. They had a grocers shop in Colvend. Her parents were John Tait and Jannet Murdock 1761
Strange that man and wife both had a mother called Janet Murdock.
I'm not sure but I think I obtained this info from gravestones at Kippford.
Best wishes
Shirley
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For your information in case you are not already aware.Regarding " Phyllis Tait 1781-1868 m James Sloane. " The link below will give you
details & photos of family headstone at Colvend cemetery............Inscription No 246
http://www.kirkyards.co.uk/colvend/colvend.asp?Inscription=tait
Rgds Matt.
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Hello Shirley,
No problems with the country I live in. I did not know that James and Phillis Sloan had a grocers store so thank you for that.
I do have those parents listed for each of them but what I want is the proof. Whered id you get the information from?
Carole
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Hello Matt,
Thank you for the link for the Colvend Churchyard. I went to the churchyard in 2010 and saw the inscription but it does not tell me who the parents of James and Phillis were.
Are you able to give me any more information regarding this.
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Hi all :)
Scotlandspeople website has -
Phillis Sloan(other surname Tait) death 1868 Colvend Kirkcudbright , born c1782
James Sloane death 1858 Colvend Kirkcudbright , born c1780
The death certificates should contain the names of the parents
The names supplied will only be as good as the knowledge of the person signing the certificate
Errors do occur
ev
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Ev
Thank you for comment. I have looked up the deaths for both James and Phillis Sloan. Can't believe I haven't done it earlier.
James' parents are Nathan Sloane and Janet McMorrin spelling might not be right as hard to read
Phillis' parents are John Tait and Janet Murdoch
Thanks again
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Hello everybody.
I just published the second article about Samuel Murdoch Crosbie on my site. Thank you very much to all of you, for photos and the informations!
I think I would have other opportunities to talk about him, for example with an article about Kippford.
http://avelkeltia.illustrateur.org/
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Very interesting article Tiphaine. However, I am a descendant of John Sloan, Ann Crosbie Sloan's brother. I am trying to establish the connection between Samuel Crosbie and the Sloans.
John Sloan lived from 1822-1849. He perished at sea and left a wife, Elizabeth Porter and son, John who was only two years of age when his father was killed.
Shirley
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Thank you for the correction, I'll change it!