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HI
I am looking for any references in the 1851 and 1861 census' for my GG Grandfather, Aquila Cable, born around 1818 in Frome somerset, married Hannah Case.
I would be grateful for any help, Thanks
Mike
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Hi Mike Here is the 1851 entry
HO107/1939 Folio 160 Page 39
Paulton Somerset
CABLE Aquilla 33 Boot & Shoemaker Frome, Som.
CABLE Hannah 35 Frome, Som.
CABLE James 9 Frome, Som.
CABLE Charles 7 Frome, Som.
CABLE John 4 Frome, Som.
CABLE Ann 1 Paulton, Som.
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi Kris
fantastic, you have given me James who I didn't know about, much appreciated.
Maybe you can help with another, Aquila's wife, Maria Hams, born around 1849-51, father, John Hams and mother Ann. John was a boot maker if that helps. She may not be on the 1851 but should be on the 1861, this would also be a great help. Thanks again
Mike
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Hi Mike....Thats great. Glad to help. Unfortunately I don't have 1861 census for Somerset. Sorry. I am a bit confused with this request. Can you tell me more about these people please. I'm lost. Without more to go on I have found a John Ham who is a shoemaker aged 32 No Children but wife is Sarah Living in Wedmore 1851. If you can tell me more I will have another Look for you.....
What a small world ...A Funny Coincidence was after looking up Aquila for you today I Was having a quick look at what people are doing with their Rootschat websites and happened to see that SS_Rhondda appears to be researching the same people as you
http://ss-rhondda.rootschat.net/)
Cheers Kris :D
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The 'Aquila CABLE b c1814, Frome Somerset, occ. Cordwainer' as shown in the 1881 census, is my GGGG Grandfather. :D
Small world, eh!
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This is great Boys....Love to see connections especial when I notice them....LOL....
Gee we have some strange names here...Methodist Family or at least for a time
IGI
James Cabble=Ann Plummer
Aquilla 28 Feb 1818 Frome St John
Azarriah 1 Jan 1834 Bap 1 Feb 1824 Wesleyan Methodist Frome
Caleb Wesley 14 Feb 1825 Bap 1 Jan 1826 Wesleyan Methodist Frome
Ann 24 Sep 1828 Frome
Hildon 27 Jun 1831 Frome
Melissa 30 Jun 1837 Frome
Ruth 23 Aug 1840 Frome
Cheers Kris :D
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1851 Census...MMM Lovely names definately Methodists
HO107/1839 Folio 111 Page 5
Paulton Somerset
CABLE Caleb Westly 24 Shoemaker Frome, Som.
CABLE Mary Hill Wife 25 Paulton, Som.
CABLE Enoch Westly Hill 2 Paulton, Som.
CABLE Asha Hill Daughter 1 Paulton, Som.
WILLIAMS James Apprentice 14 Shoemaker Paulton, Som.
and Ann has remarried ;)
HO107/1939 Folio 115 Page 12
Paulton Somerset
WESTON John married 45 Cordwainer Bradford Wiltshire
Page 13
WESTON Ann Wife 50 Coalford Somerset
CABLE Halda Daughter in Law Unmarried 19 Shoe Binder Frome, Som.
CABLE Ruth Daughter in Law 13 Frome, Som
Enjoy Now....Kris :D
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Want to bet this chappy connects too with a name like this...lol
HO107/1939 Folio 295 Page 7
Chilcompton Somerset
CABLE Jabez Head Mar 29 b Frome Shoe Maker
CABLE Sarah Wife Mar 28 b Frome Shoe Binder
Kris :D
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Hi Kris
thanks for your assistance, I am now in PM contact with SS_Rhondda, looks promising.
Now my apologies, in my excitement over the details you gave me, I got confused with Aquila's wife. Maria Hams is his daughter-in-law. His wife was Hannah Case, I think she was a bit older that him, born around 1816, her father was Timothy Case.
I have Aquila and Hannah's marriage cert. which shows his dad as James Cable (SS_Rhondda please note, cos I think I told you it was John), so it is very likely that the James Cabble=Ann Plummer you've found are his parents.
As for the names, I'm glad they had the foresight to use unusual ones because it makes it a lot easier finding them. I have come across a Jabes Cable (B. c1831) off the 1871 census who looks like he may be related to Aquila. But is this his birth name or just a version of Jabez or even Caleb!?? A bit more digging is required I think.
Thanks again
Mike
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Thats Fantastic Mike.....How you boys work well together.....I must have been meant to put you 2 together...as I said to SS It was just uncanny that I go off looking at websites (Not something I normally do) just after doing your lookup and the first thing I notice is Aquila Cable.... I have just had a look For Timothy Case and alas cant find one in the 1851 Census for Somerset....Had a quick look at IGI and no Hannah so no idea who else I should be looking for there
I would certainly think this Jabes you have found would be the same person. Jabez Jabes same diff...sure enumerators wouldnt have had a clue how to spell these unusual names (They had enough trouble with common ones....LOL)
Best Wishes...Give me a hoy if u want me to try anything else for you...No Trouble....Kris ;D
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I Just See that all 3 boys are in Wales in 1871...Do you have those entries? Since you mention Jabes I presume u probaly do ...No point typing them up if you have them....Kris ;)
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Thanks Kris, you have been a great help. I hear so many stories about people finding other people on the same line that I doubt it is just a coincidence, other forces are at work I reckon.
With the case of Timothy Case (please excuse my awful puns, I can't help myself) I'm wondering whether he is in another county at this time, more searching to be done.
I'll check my records over the weekend to see what I have on the Cable boys who went to Wales, I also think one went to London to live.
I'll talk to you again when I have more info.
Thanks again
Mike
PS. I do have one question regarding the gender of Azarriah Cable, I thought it was a female name but I have seen a male with this name, just wondering.
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No Worries Mike....Some of those were only submitted entries from the IGI so it doesnt say...I Would go for Male personally particularly when you look at the type of names this family are using. I tried for Azarriah born somerset got none with the double R but 8 with a single R all Male! but alas no Cables...Perhaps you or SS can check the parish records....A Couple of the family were actual Methodist records but the rest were just the submitted enties by LDS members....Doest surprise when you look at these very Methodist names from this early period of Methodistism ...They took their religion very seriously and this family giving Caleb John Wesleys name they were clearly committed members...With regards to the case of Timothy Case Ill have a Look in a min and C if Hannah Still says she was born Frome in 71 census Just in Case!!!! I nearly said that last post but thought I had better not be silly....Kris :D
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confusing
1871 Aqila's wife Susannah b Herefordshire
1881 Susannah b Leominster
1891 Poor old Aquila is indexed as Angela and has lost a few years as he is now only 60 married to Ann 48 b Frome ??? ??? ??? (I no He is Aquila hasnt had a sex change but Id like a dose of his reverse aging formula please)...LOL
Get Back to me Mike with what records you have and what ones you want and I will do them for you....
On the humerous side my kids actually went to school with a Justin Case....I Kid u Not!...dont you recon he got paid out...LOL
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi Kris
yes, SS and I both came to the same conclusion with Aquila and Susannah, though I haven't found a record of Hannah's death. As for his female impersonantion, maybe he discovered the delights of cross-dressing, or maybe he was escaping from someone, yes that's it he was a dangerous criminal on the run, I think I'll add that to Cable folklore.
As for kids names, you think Justin must have had a hard time, I've heard of a Teresa Green, a Thomas Gunn and his brother Raymond.
I do have another query, A Robert Fisher, born around 1839, I believe in Street Somerset. He could have been the youngest of up to 11 children. If you can find anything on this gentleman I would be rapped, as they say here in Oz.
thanks
Mike
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Cooee Cobber.....Do we have any clues on Roberts parentage or do we have to guess...lol....Had a quick look at 51 census fot Street Plenty of Fishers about but alas no Robert...Kris in the bush ...up the creek without a paddle....;)
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confusing
1871 Aqila's wife Susannah b Herefordshire
1881 Susannah b Leominster
1891 Poor old Aquila is indexed as Angela and has lost a few years as he is now only 60 married to Ann 48 b Frome ??? ??? ??? (I did have to take a look at that scan and no He is Aquila hasnt had a sex change but Id like a dose of his reverse aging formula please)...LOL
Cheers Kris :D
According to my FreeBMD deductions:
Jun 1839 Frome, Aquila CABLE m Hannah CASE (10 645)
Sep 1869 Merthyr T, Aquila CABLE m Susannah WILLIAMS (11a 455)
Dec 1889 Merthyr T, Susan CABLE d aged 78 (11a 309)
but then
Sep 1890 Crickhowell, Aquila CABLE m Ann JONES (11b 160)
and finally,
Mar 1896 Merthyr T, Aquila CABLE died aged 77 (11a 352)
Now, I have not obtained any of these certificates to confirm the details. But according to the 1881 census, there is only 1 Aquila CABLE in the British Isles, so it looks like Aquila liked being married.
Kris, is it possible for you to provide the census reference's for Aquila in 1871 & 1891. I have the CD images for Glamorgan, but no access to indexes.
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Well Isnt that interesting SS. He certainly did like being married and to women with very similar names. One could be forgiven for assuming it to be one and the same person without looking further
I presume you do not require me to transcribe so here are the reference details
1871 census
Acquilla Cable age 53 (Glamorgan)
RG10/5395 ED 25 Folio 46 Page 14
Caleb Cable Age 43 (Monmouthshire)
RG10/5333 ED 17 Folio 109 Page 80
Jabes Cable Age 40 (Glamorgan) Head of Household lists as Charles 27 Brother William 13 and Jabes 40 Uncle So I would assume these are Aquila's Sons! Perhaps they didn't like their new mum...LOL
RG10/5401 ED 25 Folio 75 Page 21
Also
John Age 24 (Glamorgan)
RG10/5390 ED 3 Folio 55 Page 27
Also we have though age seems out havent checked image for acuracty but born Paulton so seems like another one
James Age 22 (Monmouthshire)
RG10/5332 ED 11 Folio 96 Page 28
1891 Census
Aquila Age 60 (Glamorgan)
RG12/4433 ED 3 Folio 47 Page 30
and his sons!
Charles Age 45 (Glamorgan)
RG12/4436 ED 24 Folio 110 Page 35
John Age 42 (Glamorgan)
RG12/4433 ED 7 Folio 122 Page 32
William Age 33 (Breconshire)
RG12/4576 ED 5 Folio 50 Page 6
Presume this is Caleb reversing his name also
Wesley C Age 62 (Monmouthshire)
RG12/4362 ED 15 Folio 115 Page 6
and his son
Enos Age 42 (Monmouthshire)
RG12/4361 ED 4 Folio 103 Page 14
Thats all of them...Don't hesitate to give me a hoy oif I can do anything further
Cheers Kris :D
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G'Day Kris
fair dinkum matey, I thought you would find this one by now. No not really, this is a tough one, I believe he emigrated to this fine land around 1854 with his family, it's his parents I'm after. I realise with out much info it's like diving into that haystack trying to find that damm needle. I appreciate you trying, I'll see if I can find more details.
Oo Roo
Mike
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More Goodies for the Guys...LOL
1861 has arrived ;)
RG9/1653 ED 6f Folio 111 Page 34
Morgans Lane
Frome Somerset
CABLE Aquila Head 43 Mar b Frome Parish Pay Formerly House Servant
CABLE Hannah Wife 45 Mar b Frome Shoe Binder at
CABLE James Son 19 Unm b Frome Boot Maker
CABLE Charles Son 17 Unm b Frome Saddlers Apprentice
CABLE John Son 14 Unm b Frome Boot ...................
CABLE Ann Dau 11 b Paulton Scholar
CABLE William 3 b Frome Scholar
No sign of the brothers perhaps they are already in Wales....SS might know...Have Fun
Cheers Kris :D
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In Glamorgan 1861, the only references to CABLE (& similar) that I could find are:
RG9 4060 fol 40 sch 1
Owain Glendower (Inn), Garth District, Merthyr Tydfil
CABEL, Mary 23 unm General Servant b Somerset, Lopen
RG9 4057 fol 32 sch 51
Horse Street, Heolwermod, Merthyr Tydfil
CABLE, Daniel 25 head mar Rail Puncher b Somerset, Lopen
CABLE, Ann 30 wife mar - b Glamorgan, St Hilary
CABLE, Susanah 14m - b Glamorgan, Dowlais
CABLE, John 12 nephew Rail Puncher, b Somerset, Lopen
Lopen is quite some distance from Frome, so this family may not be related to Aquilla CABLE.
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Timothy Case is in the 1841 census aged 80 in some sort of hospital
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Strange that when I asked a simple question of one who is searching a long gone relative of one of the participants he ran like a scared rabbit.The only reason I asked is to be helpful.Two of Aquila Cable's great grandsons are still alive and not too far away from him.One is my uncle and I still speak to him regularly.Aquila was my gg granndfather. Another point of interest is that Tom Cable who was killed in the Munich air disaster was closely related.
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Timothy Case is in the 1785 census of Frome livind in Keyford buildings {weaver]. Two other Cases living in Frome.He died 1849.Also listed as died 1849 and born 1761.Hannah CASE DIED 1869 .