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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: MikeH57 on Friday 18 December 09 14:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
My great grandfather was William Carson, born 1864 in Ballyshannon, was married to a Anne Ellis in 1884 in Bundoran, Donegal. On the marriage certificate, it states William's father as William Carson, A Constable. I have checked the RIC records in Northern Ireland, and they have no records matching my William Carson.
Does anyone have any clues, as to what other roles a Constable may Have performed in those days.
Regards,
Mike
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Donegal isn't part of Northern Ireland but is part of Ulster.
Is this your William Carson in 1911 census?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Bundoran/Dunmuckrum/477131/
IGI has a possible birth- William Carson born 26 July 1864 Ballyshannon district (page 3 in civil index), son of William Carson and Mary Ann O'Donnell.
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Hi
yes this is my William Carson, and these are the exact records that I have found. It is William's father also called William, who states on the marriage certificate that his occupation was a Constable, which I am unable to find any records of.
Mike
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Ballyshannon electors list 1939/40 Robert, Lizzie, Frederick Carson living at West Port Ballyshannon county donegal
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Offical Authorities County Donegal 1834, Commissioners of Affadavits,
William Carson CH KC Ballyshannon
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Piggots Directory Ballyshannon 1824 also lists a William Carson
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Ballyshannon is in the parish of Innishacsaint part of which is also in County Fermanagh so you might find some records in Fermanagh
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Ireland Gen Web project 1864 Ireland Births Index - Index 44, Carson William, Ballyshannon Volume 12 Page 3
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Thanks All for the hlp so far
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Ballyshannon is in Donegal Diocese. Clogher Barnony, Tirhugh Parish Innishmacsaint.
Ballyshannon come under the province of Ulster so does Fermanagh
Some records will be held under Proni you have to remember until the 1920's ireland was whole. then it became north and south. There are four Provinces in ireland Ulster, Connaught, Leinster and Munster.
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Hi All,
I have a copy of my GG grandfather's birth certificate William Carson born 2-Aug-1864, and under Profession of his father (William Carson), it states "Constable". My initial reaction was that he was possibly in the RIC, but after many searches and investigations, even paid the PSNI who apparently hold all RIC records, they could not find a RIC Constable based in Ballyshannon, Donegal called William Carson.
I wonder if anyone has any other ideas as to his profession ?
Regards,
Mike.
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this sounds familiar - have we searched for 'Constable' Carson before ?
Shane
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this sounds familiar - have we searched for 'Constable' Carson before ?
Shane
Yes, there was a previous thread so I've merged the two to avoid duplication.
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I think so, but just wondered if anyone had any ideas regarding his profession other than RIC constable.\
Thanks,
Mike
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under Profession of his father (William Carson), it states "Constable". My initial reaction was that he was possibly in the RIC, but after many searches and investigations, even paid the PSNI who apparently hold all RIC records, they could not find a RIC Constable based in Ballyshannon, Donegal called William Carson.
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Just wonder if William was actually serving in Ballyshannon at the time, or just gave that as an address at the time. Were there any William Carson RIC men located ?
If you've already double checked the RIC records maybe a post on the occupations section of rootschat might be an idea - for some possible ideas on other types of Constable ?
Shane
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just re-read this thread- may have mixed up the two Williams in my previous...
just to make sure I have this all straight
1. William jnr born Ballyshannon 1864, father William snr
2. William jnr marries in 1884, in Bundoran in 1884
What father's occupation is on William jnr's birth cert ?
Based on the marriage cert - William snr could have been serving anywhere at that time - if he was still alive. RIC officers were moved around quite a bit, and it's also worth remembering that they were not supposed to serve where they or their wives were born.
Shane
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Hi Shane,
Understand the confusion.
William Carson Jnr's birth cert in 1864, states his father's profession as a "Constable". Father also called William Carson.
This birth record states born in Ballyshannon, and administered by Arthur Graham, Workhouse, Ballyshannon.
Mike
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Someone already put on here William Carson Pigot's Directory 1824 but under this is also says, Master in Chancery, under Anttorneys. In Pigot's/
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Hi my mother is the daughter of Robert Donald CArson. Her great grandfather I believe is Robert James CArson born 1888 in Ballyshannon, county Donegal.He was the son of William Carson and Ellen Clugston Lyon.
I also have a William Carson born May 1857 and died July 1922 in Ontario. Apparently he came over on the Tunisian that legft Liverpool and arrived in Quebec in 1909.
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Hi Lislegirl,
Does sound very interesting, and would be good if we could find a link between the two Carson families from Ballyshannon. My gt gt grandfather, William Carson was born 1864, father William Carson, mother Mary Ann O'Donnell, so it dosn't appear to be match. However would be good to find if you knew were your Carsons lived in Ballyshannon. I know that my Carsons lived in Portnason & Dunmuckerrin in Ballyshannon.
Regards,
Mike
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If he was a constable he might have lived in the Barracks at Ballyshannon, Constables in the Barracks or listed on the census only with the First Capital on Both surname and name I guess it was for safety reasons because of the troubles.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
click on Donegal then put C in the Surname and click OK.
you will have to go through the list, it also has hospital list on this
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Hi, yes it would seem not to be a match. William Carson must have been the name of the area...lol.
My grandfather was Robert Donald Carson
great grandfather Robert James CArson/Elizabeth Fairweather Young........he was a police officer
great great grandfather William CArson/Ellen Clugston Lyon
Children of William/Ellen were Thomas John CArson,Margaret Martin and Robert James
So not sure f any of this fits in with what you have. I have just recently gotten this info from my mother
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If he was a constable he might have lived in the Barracks at Ballyshannon, Constables in the Barracks or listed on the census only with the First Capital on Both surname and name I guess it was for safety reasons because of the troubles.
Nothing to do with 'safety reasons." All persons in institutions such as hospitals, workhouses, goals, barracks, schools, etc. were to be listed under initials.
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on the family search site
William Carson, the Carson is spelt CARSEN - Anne Ellis 1884
registration JUL-Sep 1884, Volume No 2 Page 6
http://familysearch.org
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Have any of you looking at Carsons Ballyshannon done a DNA test. would be interesting to see if we have any connetion that way.
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Hi,
Yes have on ancestry and my heritage, if that helps. my ancestry userid is jhorne571.
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church records
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie
William Carson birth 1864, father constable, says something about workhouse, mother mary ann might have work for the workhouse.
donegal resources:
http://www.donegalgenealogy.ie
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wedding of William and Anne on this site also but you will have to look under Anne Ellis to find. 1884
cannot read what it say William father did.
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Thanks Rathmore.
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yes the William Carson marriage to Anne Ellis is my great grandfather.
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yes the William Carson marriage to Anne Ellis is my great grandfather.
For reference the marriage in 1884
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10909/5984770.pdf
KG
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Thank you. I already had this one.
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Thank you. I already had this one.
Yes, you had but it was appended for others to see the marriage record.
KG
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Thanks KG. Any help always appreciated.
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electors list 1939/40
Robert, Lizzie, Fredrick Carson lived at West Point Ballyshannon.
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are they church of ireland or RC?
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census of ireland 1901, William and Anne and family living at 10 Carrickboy, William a Pedlar, my late mum was born at Carrickboy in 1918.
You could try writing to the local paper in Ballyshannon for help.
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census of ireland 1901, William and Anne and family living at 10 Carrickboy, William a Pedlar.........
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Ballyshannon_Urban/Carrickboy/1165800/
KG
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The marriage of William and Anne was RC, in 1884. I am not sure of William's religion before the marriage, but Anne Ellis was defiantly RC.
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church records when Joseph was born William is listed as a Pedlar in 1894
have you tried the local council in Ballyshannon?
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Thanks Rathmore. How do I contact the local Council, and what would I be looking for ?.