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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: mona lisa on Thursday 23 September 10 03:14 BST (UK)
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I was very pleased to note that on my GtGtAunt Elizabeth DUFF (48) nee Houston's death certificate in January 1881 Glasgow 95 Candleriggs St; that it listed her 2 husbands. I only knew of William Duff.
I. John McLean 2. William Duff who witnessed her passing.
I have been looking for the McLean Marriage . have no idea if there were any children of that union. I do know that there are 2 Duff offspring.
1. William Butler Duff born 1858 August 24 and 2. Mary Duff ca 1864/65
I'm thinking that if Elizabeth was born ca 1832 ish probably Co Down or Co Armagh Ireland the 1st Marriage was ca 1849 to 1856 = John McLean as she married William Duff 1857. I just realized that I got that info from son William Butler Duff's Birth particulars so I havent viewed actual Marriage Cert.
Elizabeth was 1/2 sister of my GtGtGrdad Valentine ARMSTONG. They both shared Isabella JOYCE as their mother. He died at her place in 1859. Noted that 95 Candleriggs St was the residence of the Duff family for many years.
156 Mathieson St was an address from atleast 1891 to 1901 of Wm Butler Duff
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On pilot.familysearch a John Mclean marries an Elizabeth Houston 13 Dec 1846 Glasgow. No other info given. Any chance this might be her?
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hmmm I really couldnt say...but thanks for replying.
Elizabeth Houston on her 22 January 1881 Death reg's age is given as (48) so that would give a Birth year of :
1832/ so an 1846 Dec 13 Marriage = aged 14? How many Houston/ McLean Marriages could there be? Mind You all you'd need to do is add 2 years and she'd be 16 ...As we know with women age can be a funny thing. Are some of the OPR's very informative/informational? John McLean would've had to have died by 1856 as she married again. A funny but true story about my Granny..she never gave the same year of birth twice and when being interviewed for her annual pension ...the official remarked that most people got older and it was amazing that she just kept getting younger ! Well - she just thought he was "very impudent"
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From what I understand, (I have a lot of Scottish ancestors) it was legal to marry at 14. And as you say, you only have to add a couple of years and she's 16. And I wouldn't necessarily go with how old somebodyelse thought she was when she died. I've found informants who hadn't got a clue about the persons age, or who the parents or spouses were.
Great story about your granny changing her age! Wish it was as easy now - we're all so much more constrained with documentation everywhere. I'd drop a few years off mine if I could!!
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1861 census has this record
Name: Elizabeth Duff
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : William Duff
Where born: Ireland
Registration district: Central District
Civil parish: Glasgow St David
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 95 Candleriggs
Occupation: Boot Binder
household
William Duff 32 born Port Glasgow Occupation: Boot Clser
Elizabeth Duff 35
William Duff 2
John Houston 17 born Ireland occ Boot closer app
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Thank you goldie61 and sancti for your input and look ups.
So. thanks for that.. on the 1861 Census = it shows that Elizabeth is 3 years older than Willam..somehow it seems in those cases, the woman will decrease her age as to be younger than the man. If she is born 1826ish that would make her 20 at the 1846 Dec 13th Marriage..I believe that they were Protestant. My granny's age was always a few years earlier than granddad's so he always appeared "older" than her..So I wonder if Elizabeth Houston Duff did that. I do know that some people really are unaware of a persons age. It just isnt of any importance to them. Of course, to those of us searching, it can make a big difference in time and possibly money, when it is necessary to look thru a lot of data.As an aside I know that one of my inlaw's mother married at 14 and that was in Canada 1915 ish...
I noticed that the same address 95 Candleriggs in 1881 became Blythswood District and prior was Central District. When looking at BMD's and with a sometimes great variety of names to choose from; I often "opt" to stay in the same district and then not knowing its changed names...of the districts. Of course, sometimes I'm wrong.
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1871 and she is starting to be economical with her age ;D
William Duff 41
Elisabeth Duff 30
William Duff 42 ???
Mary Duff 6
Samuel Graham 38
William Cook 19
William Mckenzie 16
Address: 20 Candleriggs St
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Can't see the McLeans on the 1851 census
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1881 census
Name: William Duff
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Where born: Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire
Registration district: Blythswood
Civil parish: Glasgow St David
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 95 Candleriggs
Occupation: Boot Closer
William Duff 50
William Duff 22
Mary Duff 18
William Maxwell 19 Boarder occ upholsterer
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an ancestry tree I was looking at hoping for more lost family updates actually has atleast 2 major errors on it. Soon as I saw his listed source: LDS data for a Marriage & Birth I thought uh oh...Had scanty documentation that didnot support my particular interest .Was trying to notify tree owner but it never posted.
My sources are : Scotland Registration Certificates Birth/Marriage/Death for verification
various Glasgow Censuses for the occupations and addresses that they have been at mainly Candleriggs Street and Mathieson Street.
My great great aunt was Elizabeth Houston born in Ireland. She gives several ages. What never
changes is : her mother is Isabella Joyce & her father is John Houston occupation Spirit Merchant.
This particular tree has her being born 1827 in Londonderry Ireland of wrong parents:
Francis Houston & Jane Cary of Londonderry, Ireland.
The tree goes onto absorb my William Butler Duff born 1858 ( son of Elizabeth Houston & William Duff) and gives him an incorrect marriage.
Correct = William Butler Duff married 1890 Janet Neilson ... His son George born abt 1897. George Neilson Duff married Fanny McRoberts in 1926, Glasgow Scotland
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Might be worth viewing the OPR marriage record to see if it contains information on her father
HOUSTON
ELIZABETH
&
JOHN MCLEAN
13/12/1846
644/1
430 251
Glasgow
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Thank you sancti....my understanding is that the OPR Marriage records have basic information on them. That it is after the 1855 Scotland Registrations; with the wealth of information.
My own great great grandparents' 1847 Glasgow Marriage for example have their names and
that is pretty much it. No mention of their parents either.
As I have previously mentioned, on my great great grandfather Valentine Armstrong's Death
Registration 1859 September 1, Glasgow, Elizabeth Houston identifies her self as his half sister and gives (their mother) as Isabella Joyce. So rather than supposition, there are several other Scottish documents with John Houston/Isabella Joyce as her parents