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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Wendl on Wednesday 06 April 05 21:23 BST (UK)
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Hello all,
Believe my Thompson relatives originate in a place called, Newton Limavady? May have links to Drumachose as well...can anyone advise where these places are? And are they close to each other? Thanking you in advance for your time.
All the Best
Wendy
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The district of Limavady was granted to Sir Thomas Phillips in 1612, who commenced the building of the present "Newtown of Limavady" about a mile and a half north of the earlier O'Cahan settlement. The town was granted a borough charter in 1613, and from then until the Act of Union in 1800 returned two members to the Irish Parliament. In 1870 the word Newtown was officially dropped from the name. On March 1st 1989 Borough status was officially reinstated.
More information at http://www.limavady.org/
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Drumachose is a parish in the borough of Limavady
http://www.drumachose.org.uk/
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Hello there,
Thank you so much for the speedy reply...have just returned from my local LDS, and found some interesting info....that leads me to believe my Robert Thompson and Rachel Livingston are from this area.... Once again thank you for taking the time to respond, sincerely appreciate it.
All the Best
Wendy
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Limavady is only a few miles from Derry and Newton Limavady is an area part of the townlands - often under "aghnaloo". Hope this helps
Helen
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Hi Helen...
Thankyou for your reply regarding the location of Limavady....seems my Thompson's are from that area...mind you...have a marriage at Derrymore as well.
Once again thank you for taking the time to respond.
All the Best
Wendy
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Wendy- I live about 13 miles from Limavady and have ancestors buried at old Drumachose Presbyterian Church buryingground (only a few stones, mostly illegible, left). As far as I know the church is in the townland of Drummond, and is on the road from Coleraine coming into Limavady.
The name Thompson, Limavady rang a bell so I did a bit of searching.
IGI on LDS site lists several children of Robert & Rachel Thompson (no maiden name given)-
Margaret Anne Thompson 6 Oct.1869 Drumachose
Elizabeth Thompson 15 Nov.1871 Drumachose
John Thompson 13 Oct.1882 Pound La., Drumachose, Limavady
Alexander Thompson 8 June 1880 Pound La.
Margaret Anne's birth also appeared in the Coleraine Chronicle if you are interested I will send it. (Her father is referred to as Robert Thompson Esq.)
There are also 4 children of a Robert & Mrs. Thompson listed:
Mary Thompson 4 Oct.1875 Drumachose
Rachel Thompson 22 Feb.1878 Drumachose
Mary Anne Thompson 28 Apr.1885 Drumachose
James Thompson 31 Jan.1874 Drumachose.
Wonder if the above entries are taken from the records of Drumachose Presbyterian Church, which is now located nearer to the centre of Limavady. The records for the church start 1837 and can be ordered from Mormon Library.
The address Pound Lane would suggest that they lived in Limavady. Might be included in local directroies, etc.
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Hi aghadowey
This is my family...James b. 1874 is my Grt Grandfather...he came to Canada in 1913...Rachel's maiden name is Livingston(e), her father was Malcolm, Have also seen it listed as Levingston.. ... Robert was the son of William Thompson. I would love to have the information from the Chronicle....
According to the information I have gathered to date....the Marriage of Robert and Rachel took place 5 May 1869, at Derrymore, and Robert was a "widower" at the time. Rachel was listed as being 20yrs, so I believe she would have been born about 1849. As well, Rachel was alive and well in 1916, living at 80 Shipquay Street, Londonderry, there is no mention of Robert, so I assume he may have been dead?....I think he may have been older than Rachel considering the fact that this was his second marriage.
One strange bit tho....James stated his dob as 31 Jan 1877 on his enlistment papers for WW1 in 1916 here in Canada...mind you I have another relative from Belfast, that embelishedher age upon immigrating to Canada. When I sent to the GRO for his birth Cert both 1877 and 1874 they said they had none? I wonder if maybe he wasn't registered ?
I will have to check into ordering the records from the LDS family history centre here....I know that some of the entries I have seen on the website were submitted by someone? however not sure who at this point.
Thankyou soooo, very much for the information you have sent, and the effort you have gone to! I sincerely appreciate it.....
All the Best
Wendy
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Coleraine Chronicle, 9 Oct.1869: At Pound Loaning, Newtownlimavady, on the 6th inst., the wife of R. Thompson, Esq., of a daughter.
Also from the Chronicle: 9 Dec.1848- In Newtownlimavady Workhouse, on the 6th inst., Rebecca Thompson, formerly of the Highlands, aged 100 years.
Note: the Chronicle index covers births, marriages & deaths 1844-1869.
According an index I just looked up there were 2 birth entries for a James Thompson in Co.Derry in 1874 but none in 1877. Unfortunately the index doesn't lists parents or even a location other than the county.
Any idea of the name of Robert's 1st wife?
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Hi there...
I've been playing with the lds site for a while now...and beleive a good possibility would be "Ellen Livingstone"....can't confirm this tho...but, the time frame fits Marrried in 1863...believe Robert was probably born about 1840 (gathering from other families) plus or minus a couple years....sooo, the age would be right....Have to make a few more inquiries tho...and check to see if can locate the marriage entry and confirm the fathers names....bit of a mystery actually....James Thompson died long before I was born....so I only have family stories to go on....
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Note: the Chronicle index covers births, marriages & deaths 1844-1869.
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Question for you...can you access these records over the net?
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Chronicle Index was compiled by Coleraine branch of Family History Society, originally published in paperback (now out of print) later issed on CD.
Found marriage of a Robert Thompson to Ellen Livingstone in Co. Derry in 1849!!! Is this much too early?
Looked from Pound Lane on my Limavady map and it doesn't seem to be there anymore. My daughter goes to college there so I am there often- will have a look round.
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Pound Lane seems to have changed name to Protestant Street - see part way down this link here. (http://www.jochenlueg.freeuk.com/english/streets.htm)
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Lovely pictures of Limavady, especially the old ones, even ones of what Pound La./Protestant St. used to look like.
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Ach thanks so much....
It's so hard trying to find things being in Canada...and it seems when I'm home to Belfast there are always so many places to go and people to see that getting out and about to different places seems to be put on the back burner so to speak...mind you, have decided when i'm home this year will definitely be treking to Londonderry to search....Have searched in Belfast for my Maternal side with fantastic results....but the paternal side in Londonderry seems to be a bit of a stuggle! hahahaha....mind you I guess that's the fun of the search...
Once again thank you soo much for all of your insight, you don't know how much I appreciate it.
All the Best
Wendy
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Wendy- was at Ballymena Library today looking at 1901 Census and took a quick look at Protestant St. for Thompson- found them!
Robert Thompson's age was given as 76 (could it be his marriage in 1849 to Ellen Livingston?) and a gardener.
Rachel Thompson was 50 (26 years younger tham her husband).
Daughter Mary Ann was 16 and a weaver.
Their religion is down as Episcopalian, which would be Church of Ireland.
Also in the household were an Elizabeth Brown (25) married and her children- Margaret 5 (b/Co.Down), Marie 2 (b.Co.Down) & Rachael 4 months (b.Co.Derry).
Could Elizabeth Brown be Elizabeth Thompson, born 15 Nov.1871, daughter of Robert & Rachel?
If you want me to send you a photocopy of the census entry send me a PM with your mailing address.
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ach aghadowey your a darlin......
That is fabulous news.....! I will Pm you with my email address and my address...you know what is really odd....James Thompson married Grace Wilkie Walker, from Kierriemuir Scotland here in Canada in 1913.....her mother was an Anne Nichol Brown... I'll bet any money that it will be Elizabeth...My Close relatives come from Belfast both Co. Down and Co. Antrim....and there is a Brown connection on that side as well....!
You are definitely amazing...thank you so much.....the information you have sent is fabulous.
All the Best
Wendy
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Wendy- will post the census tomorrow morning when I go down to the post office.
A couple of things I forgot to mention earlier...
Robert Thompson living in a house with 2,3 or 4 rooms & 1 window in front (probably in a row of houses).
Also on Protestant St. was a Samuel Livingston, age 47, with a large family.
Will be in Limavady tomorrow afternoon to collect my daughter and her cousin from College (1/2 day of Fridays).
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Hi There...
I wonder if maybe he was an uncle or something to Rachel? I have a copy of the marriage registration for Robert and Rachel....says her father was Malcolm..which is a rather odd name for the time period, mind you I'm beginning to wonder if Malcolm Livingston does'nt have Scottish connections as Malcolm is a common Scotch name rather than Irish for the time period...I can't imagine being married to someone sooo much older 5 or 10 years in nothing...but 26 ??? kinda creepy really hahahahahaha
All the Best
Wendy
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You are certainly getting plenty for this lot, Wendl. Have you had a look at the Ulster Covenant too? If not, Robert and Rachel are there also, with nice links to their signatures. An Alex Thompson also signed the covenant, albeit in Whiteinch, Partick, Scotland, but gave his home address as 15 Protestant Street. No house number given for Robert and Rachel.
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Hi Scotchmum....
Thanks for the insight re: the covenenant ... I haven't looked for them there yet....but I will have a wee peak....thanks so much for taking the time to check for me... I sincerely appreciate it.
All the Best
Wendy
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Wendy- Malcolm does sound more Scottish than Irish.
Samuel Livingston was 47 in 1901 and Rachel (Livingston) Thompson was 50- more likely they are brother and sister?
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Hi ya...
Your probably right re: brother and sister....I did'nt see the 47 yrs till after I had replied. And being that most families lived close to one another would be a good possiblity.
All the Best
Wendy
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You mentioned that one of your Thompsons was in Shipquay St L'derry.There was a shop at the bottom of Shipquay St "Thompsons - seed merchants" They were a big concern selling all sorts of gardening things.I was in it dozens of times with my keen gardener father. He worked for another firm in Shipquay St,called Sloans. Agnetta
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Hi there...
Thanks for that tidbit of information.....fits into the family, as a kind rootschatter has sent me a copy of the 1901 census....lists my Robert Thompsons occupation as "Gardner"....soooo, good possibility could be one and the same....can u advise the time frame for this store? Thanks again....
All the Best
Wendy
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Hi Wendy
Enough of this recent stuff..... ;)
Pigots Directory for 1824 lists
Robert Thompson, Grocer, Main Street.
John Thompson, tavern, Linen-Hall-St
Gary
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Hi Gary...
Thanks for the information....I don't know if this fellow will connect or not, Robert's Father was a William Thompson and in the 1820s I believe he will be in Limavady....as most to the children were born in Drumachose, Newton Limavady, Pound Lane which I understand is now called Protestant Street...appears there was a move to the actual city of Londonderry around the turn of the 19th century....once again, thanks so much for taking the time to check for me...I sincerely appreciate the help.
All the Best
Wendy
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Hi Wendy
I should have been clearer.
The extracts from Pigots Directory were for Newtown Limavady.
Gary
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Hi Gary....
Thanks so much for the clarificaton...
All the Best
Wendy
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Wendy - My father went to L'derry about 1926,and Thompsons had been there for a very long time. ( the old fashioned sort of shop where you went up to a big long counter and someone served you.If it took a while there was a bentwood chair to SIT and wait !!)I personally left L'derry in 1950 and they were still there then. Agnetta
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Hi Agnetta...
Thank you so much for the information....there is a definite possiblity those Thompson's could be related to my Grt Grandad...Unfortunately I have very limited information to go on where he is concerned...he died long before I was born in the early 40's....I honestly believe there are rellies of our direct line in the area of Londonderry, however to date have had no success locating any of them....mind you when you are searching your family tree that is half the battle....hahahaha...
Once again thank you for the information you have sent....all the little tidbits help to complete this big puzzle....
All the Best
Wendy
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Wendy - just to add to your confusion - there are quite a lot of Thompsons in the area I came from - Dungiven - which is about 20 miles from Derry city.I went to school with a Victor Thompson.My husband went to the tech in Limavady with a Norman Thompson.The Thompsons in the area were staunch Prebyterians around Dungiven and Bovevagh (a couple of miles from Dungiven) Good luck. Agnetta
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Hi Again Agnetta....
I know my Thompson's originate from Drumachose, and that they are from Pound Lane now Protestant street...but that is about the extent of the information...Thompson seems to be a popular name in the Londonderry area....James signed that he was presbyterian on his enlistment papers here...so at least I'm headed in the right direction I think......Thanks so much for your insight...I sincerely appreciate it.
All the Best
Wendy
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Dear Wendy
I emailed you about the beginning of this year as I was researching my own Thompson family tree from around the Dungiven, Bovevagh, Limavady area. I then passed your details onto Phillip Marshall from Ohio. He felt you were not of his family tree but today - I visited the Drumachose church of ireland graveyard in Limavady and found Elizabeth Thompson (I believe nee Marshall) died 1933 and Alexander Thompson died 1920.
There is a bit of confusion here for people who do not know the area - there are 2 x churches called Drumachose. One is presbyterian and on Church street which runs off from Main street (Marshalls there). and they have an older graveyard outside town. The other church is the Church of Ireland and is called Christ Church but was known by older people as Drumachose because that is what the townland was called - bottom of Main Street.
I do not believe that I am related to either you or Phillip unless I find a direct descendant from some of Alexander's brothers - is the townland of Bovevagh mentioned anywhere in your family history? I will be doing some research in Belfast and trying to find birth certificates next week - I will let you know what I come across.
Regards
Betty McNerlin (nee Elizabeth Thompson)
ps My dad was William James Thompson, his dad James Thompson (2 x brothers called Edward and Andrew) and his dad called Edward Thompson.
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Hi Betty,
I sincerely thank you for passing along the information to Phil, I'm at a wee bit of a loss when it comes to this family. Seem to be getting nowhere fast....can be extremely frustrating to be honest!
My Grt Granda James Thompson is a bit of an enigma at best...I know he was a bricklayer by trade. The information I have from his enlistment papers for WW1 in Canada, state he was born 31 Jan 1877, however, I have sent to the GRO, and had them search for his birth and have had no luck! According to his marriage certificate from September 1913, he is listed as being 35 yrs old, and it stated, "lately of Londonderry", in the newspaper entry from the Perth courier. Have not located his actual immigration as of yet... Now, I have other relatives who "embelished" their age by a few years upon immigrating to Canada....soooo, I'm wondering if this is the Case with James???
His father Robert was 26yrs older than his mother Rachel, at the time of their marriage in Derrymore, Robert is listed as a widow, this leads me to believe he may have had children from his first marriage, however I have not had much success in narrowing down his 1st wife. According to the 1901 Census, Robert is listed as being 76 yrs old, so, I figure he was born circa 1825, his father was William Thompson. If my assumed calculations are correct, Robert would have married the first time between 1846 and possibly as late as 1855??? He married Rachel in 1869. Rachel and Robert have a son Alexander, believe b. 8 Jun 1880.
Rachel's maiden name was Livingston(e)....I had email from a fellow I have been corresponding with who has Thompson relatives (married into the Forrest Family) but they are farther back than my research allows me to go.....but, he sent entries from Tmalaght Finlagan Church of Ireland in BallyKelly....which could be Rachel's grandfather and Grandmother.
Unfortunately, researching from Canada, makes it harder...the only time I get to check the actual records is when I'm home to Belfast on Vacation....this year will be September....sooo, I'm hopeful to have a few more bits to add then....
Once again, I sincerley thank you for keeping me in the loop so to speak....all little tidbits help to figure out this massive puzzle! Have attached the only photo I have of James....
All the Best
Wendy
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Hello again Wendy. Just thinking about Robert Thompson and Rachel Livingstone getting married at Derramore Presbyterian Church. It is very possible that neither belonged to the church but went there for a quiet wedding (due to fat Robert was a widower and so much older) as it is outside the town.
If you go get over in September get in touch beforehand and perhaps we can meet sometime in Limavady. I expect to be there several times a week, probably Friday but not sure what other days until September.
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Good Morning Aghadowey,
It does seem odd that they married outside where they lived, mind you there is an entry for a marriage for an Ellen Livingston(e) and Robert Thompson...makes you wonder if maybe he married the 1st wife's younger sister ???? Will definitely get in touch once our plans are more solid...tentatively will be home to Belfast 4th Spetember to the 25th or 27th...just awaiting more info on my partner's immigraton status here before I book our flights...would be lovely to finally put a face to the person who has offered so much help...I look forward to meeting you, and having the opportunity to discuss all your little genealogy tricks.!!
All the Best
Wendy
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Hi again.....
Well, since my curiosity was peaked with the flow of information I have received this week regarding the Thompson's....have sat down this morning gone thru all my previous correspondence, and dug out the copy of British Isles vital records index....
Can now confirm that my Robert's first wife....was in fact Ellen Livingstone.....
THOMPSON, Robert Age: 18 Marriage
Wife: Ellen LIVINGSTONE Age: 21
Marriage Date: 17 Apr 1849 Recorded in: Miscellaneous, Ireland
Collection: Civil Registration
Husband's Father: William THOMPSON
Wife's Father: Samuel LIVINGSTONE
Source: FHL Film 101310 Dates: 1848 - 1849
>>source British Isles Vital Records Index disc #16 <<<
Previously you had advised there was a Samuel Lvingston, age 47 living on Pound lane, aka Protestant Street according to the 1901 Census.....now things really get interesting!!!! As well, have found there was a John Livinston(e) and his wife Hessie Simpson, who were married 1902, in Ballykelly....that are listed as being at 13 Protestant street according to the 1920 voters list....
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Wendy- have a note here about Samuel Livingston on Protestant St. but can't see the details in my notes. Am wondering if I copied them down at the time. Did I send you the entry? If not will probably be going up to Ballymena shortly and can pop into the Library and get it copied. (children off school and one or two want to go shopping in Ballymena). Let me know.
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Wendy- 2 children of Robert Thompson & Ellen Livingston!!!
1. William James born 28 Nov.1865 Newtown Limavady
2. son born 17 Nov.1866 Newtown Limavady.
Since they got married in 1849 there were probably several others born before the start of civil registration.
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Hiya....
Thankyou for your kind offer....it appears the only info you sent was Samuel Livingston, 47yrs, lrg family living on Protestant street....at the time we seemed to agree could be a brother to Rachel as she is 50 in 1901....It appears that this whole family seems to have age descrepencies...the 1901 cencus has Robert listed as being 76 in 1901, meaning he would be born cira 1825, however...the marriage to Ellen Livingston, has him listed as 18 years which could be circa 1830.. the plot definitely thickens....hahahahaha Yes I have the entries taken from the IGI for the Births...am going to check the BVRI to see what I can find....as well, I'm off Wed/Thurs this week so am going to try and squeeze a trip to the LDS library in kitchener to see what else I can find....
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There are lots of Livingstones (various spellings) in IGI but many are submitted records.
Samuel Livingston m. Catherine Walker.
1. John 15 Apr.1878-3 Sept.1963- see below.
2. Mary Jane 28 Dec.1879-11 Nov.1930
3. Elizabeth 16 Dec.1881-17 Oct.1918
4. Hannah 2 Oct.1884-3 Sept.1915
5. William 12 Oct,1886-23 Mar.1910
6. George 30 Dec.1888-15 June 1911
7. Isabella 21 Mar.1891-22 Apr.1891
8. Marion 9 Mar.1892-10 Nov.1941
9. Catherine 24 Feb.1894
10. Martha 21 Mar.1895-15 Oct.1945
11. Samuel Alexander 13 Nov.1897-9 Dec.1954
John Livingston (d.3 Sept.1963) m.(7 Aug.1902 Ballykelly) Hessie Simpson (d.11 Oct.1946).
1. Matthew 11 Dec.1903-11 Apr.1972 m.(26 July 1926 Ballykelly) Sarah Jane McCurry.
2. Catherine 17 June 1907-13 Mar.1988
3. John 8 May 1909-28 Aug.1968
4. Ellen 8 Sept.1911-1 Mar.1972
5. Hannah Mary 4 Apr.1914-9 Feb.1956
6. Martha Walker 8 Apr.1916 m.(26 Jan.1938) Robert Campbell
7. Hessie Elizabeth 5 June 1918-8 Dec.1988
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thanks a bunch Aghadowey.....will check further into the livingston(e)'s......
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1901 Census- Limavady- Protestant St. (all Presbyterian, b. Co.Derry)
6. Samuel LIVINGSTONE 47 general labourer, wife Catherine Livingstone 40, son John Livingstone 21 Van Driver, dau. Mary Jane Livingstone 20 weaver, dau. Hanah Livingstone 16 weaver, son William Livingstone 14 Message Boy, son George Livingstone 12 scholar, dau. Marion Livingstone 9 scholar, dau. Martha Livingstone 6 scholar, son Samuel Alexaner Livingstone 3.
Elizabeth b.1881 (could be working somewhere) and Catherine b.1894 (possibly died young?) are missing (Isabella d.1891).
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Hello Agahdowey,
Thank you so much for the information!!! Sincerely appreciate it.... Will have to do a wee bit of work on the Livingstone's from other correspondence I have...Know that a Catherine Livingstone was one delivered babies in the area...wonder if it was this Catheine?
Is it lashing there? Just off the phone to family in Belfast they say it is lashing from the heavens....here it's about 25 celsius, sunny and dry as a tinderbox....they have ordered burn bans due to the fact it is so dry.....the grass has all turned brown and cruchie due to lack of rain....
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Yes, it's been bucketing here off and on all afternoon. Also found more Thompsons in Limavady which I posted under Elizabeth Thompson.
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ahh yes saw them, John Thompson COI, looked interesting...pulled my file on Robert and Rachel's childer....they have a son John but the fellow you found is a little old...being that our John would have been born 1882....I'm definitely convinced tho, that there must be descendents of Robert and Rachel remaining in the area...maybe once I have my feet planted on the wee green Isle, Ill be able to scare up some connections.....
Aghadowey, you truely are a gem, I hope you realize how much your contributions are appreciated, and what an asset you are to those who are at a loss ... and so far away!!!
Wendy
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Dear Wendy
I heartily agree - and I don't live all that far away! Expertise shows ye know.
Betty
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It is so nice to see Limavady on line, my ggg-grandfather William Cairns came to Montreal Quebec, then on to Ormstown(Jamestown) Quebec on the Chateauguay River in 1823, his son James born 1818 in Limavady. My daughter was visiting Ireland and stoped into the town and said it was a beautiful area. I will be back to read more. Thank you
Ron Cairns.*
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Hi Again Agnetta....
I know my Thompson's originate from Drumachose, and that they are from Pound Lane now Protestant street...but that is about the extent of the information...Thompson seems to be a popular name in the Londonderry area....James signed that he was presbyterian on his enlistment papers here...so at least I'm headed in the right direction I think......Thanks so much for your insight...I sincerely appreciate it.
All the Best
Wendy
Dear Wendy
I had to visit the Registrar in Limavady this week and she kindly looked up Robert Thompson. These two marriages are in her registry.
Robert Thompson (widower) to Rachel Livingstone aged 20 yrs (spinster)
residing in Limavady
on 5th May 1849 at Derrymore Presbyterian Church.
Witnessed by May Livingstone and James White
Bride's father called Malcolm Livingstone
Groom's father called William Thompson
Married by W Jamieson
Robert Thompson (18 yrs old) to Ellen Livingstone (21 yrs)
residing in Tamlaght (Ballykelly)
on 17th April 1849
at Limavady Registrar's Office
Witnessed by James Warnock and Thomas Lighton
Bride's father Samuel Livingstone
Groom's father William Thompson
married by J McBride
what do you think of those dates then? Are you now even more confused? I certainly am. I thought that maybe Rachel and Ellen were sisters but not now. These 2 Roberts bother me and one of them getting married at 18 yrs old (and a man), usually a bit suspicious!
Can you check Robert and Rachel's marriage date again? Where did you get the info? If you let me know I will go back to the Registrar and double check.
I can send you these printed details if you want by email. You can find my email on www.nwlla.org
Regards
Betty
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Irishgenealogy index shows Robert Thompson married 1869 (Co.Derry) to Reachel Livingston (not 1849 as above). Suspect that 1869 is correct year.
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Aghadowey
I will get back to the Registrar later in the week and ask her to double check. Taking these 20 years into consideration, it may then be possible that this is the same Robert Thompson but, as you always advise, same name is not always same person! By the way, I have asked the reporter for the Coleraine Chronicle to do an update on the Thompsons that Phillip marshall from Ohio was researching. I don't know which week he can get it into the paper.
Also, about Jackson Taggart - I have been told that PRONI could furnish me with info on his details under the freedom of information act because granda is deceased. They might take a few weeks right enough.
Again also, the marriage details of Alexander Thomson & Jane Irwin (whom I now believe to be my ancestors) married Bovevagh presbyterian in 13 Feb 1845 were just 2 months early for the Registrar as civil marriages were not registered until 01/04/1845. Are there any other records in the Limavady/Dungiven area that I could access?
Regards
Betty
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Hello Betty,
Thankyou soooo much for thinking of me!!! Yes Rachel and Robert were married 5 May 1869, I have a copy of the marriage registration....was probably just a typo...can happen to the best of us!!
Now, here's a thot...was on the IGI last evening found two births to Robert Thompson and Ellen Livingstone, William James Thompson b. 28Nov1865, and another Thompson "male" b. 1866.....sooo, now we know that Ellen is gone by 1869, did she die in child birth? Considering she was in her 40's at the time, I was thinking about this on my way to work tonight....here is a man, with a young baby, so, maybe Rachel was a cousin to Ellen (samuel and malcolm brothers???) who came into the house to care for the child? And then ended up married to Robert? seems to be a possiblity especially due to the fact that there was such an age difference with Rachel and Robert??? I welcome your thots...opinions...
All the Best
Wendy
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Hello,
The information you have posted may be a clue into my search:
Robert Thompson (18 yrs old) to Ellen Livingstone (21 yrs)
residing in Tamlaght (Ballykelly)
on 17th April 1849
at Limavady Registrar's Office
Witnessed by James Warnock and Thomas Lighton
Bride's father Samuel Livingstone
Groom's father William Thompson
married by J McBride
I have been looking for Thomas Lighton and his wife Elizabeth Wark. I have found two baptism certificates from the Tamlaght Finlagan Church of Ireland for two of their five children.
Baptismal Register of Tamlaght Finlagan Church of Ireland Church, Ballykelly, County Londonderry
Baptised: 14 April 1823
Mary daughter of Thomas Lighton and Elizabeth Wark his wife of Farloe.
No other information was recorded against this baptismal entry in the registers of Tamlaght Finlagan Parish Church.
Although the database of Derry Genealogy centre records no further births of children to parents Thomas Lighton and Elizabeth Wark it did record the following birth:
Baptised: 9 February 1828 in Tamlaght Finlagan Church of Ireland Church
Joseph son of Thomas Lighton and Elizabeth his wife Tombkin of Farloe.
Knowing that the marriages were usually witnessed by relatives I am wondering if the second Baptism was a second wife now who could have been a Thompson from Farloe? or perhaps my Elizabeth was on her second marriage.
Have you found any more connection to the names Lighton, Wark , Kid or Ferguson in your searching?
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Baptismal Register of Tamlaght Finlagan Church of Ireland Church, Ballykelly, County Londonderry
Baptised: 14 April 1823
Mary daughter of Thomas Lighton and Elizabeth Wark his wife of Farloe.
Baptised: 9 February 1828 in Tamlaght Finlagan Church of Ireland Church
Joseph son of Thomas Lighton and Elizabeth his wife Tombkin of Farloe.
Knowing that the marriages were usually witnessed by relatives I am wondering if the second Baptism was a second wife now who could have been a Thompson from Farloe? or perhaps my Elizabeth was on her second marriage.
'of Farloe' in the baptismal records would have been the residence (townland) of both parents not the place the bride was from.
For the above records there are several possibilities:
1. Thomas Lighton was married twice, or
2. Thomas married only once and minister put down wrong maiden name in one of the entries, or
3. there were two Thomas Lightons with wife Elizabeth.
Farlow (meaning 'the outlying lake') is in centre of the Parish of Tamlaght Finlagan (291 acres 3 rods 35 perches). "The entire centre is a depression, or hollow, surrounded by a ridge of about 50 feet. This hollow most probably was at one time a lake, or a place liable to flooding." Also called Fagherley & Farlough in old documents.
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Thomas and Elizabeth show up in the 1841 census in Scotland with the two children born in Ireland , Mary and Joseph, as well as 3 more , an older daughter Jean born in Ireland and two born in Scotland. If Thomas had two wives both named Elizabeth than Jean and Mary would be from the first wife and Joseph and the last two kids would be from the second Elizabeth.
I think I need to start looking for gravestones records in the Farlow area for an Elizabeth who died between 1823 and 1828 who was either a Wark or a Thompson to either rule out or confirm the two wife possibility.
Irish records are so much fun when you are an ocean away!
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I think I need to start looking for gravestones records in the Farlow area for an Elizabeth who died between 1823 and 1828 who was either a Wark or a Thompson to either rule out or confirm the two wife possibility.
There's a very good chance that you will not find any gravestones- if there was a first wife named Elizabeth Thomas may not have been able to afford a headstone for her or not had a chance to put on up before moving to Scotland.
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Not what I wanted to hear but that makes absolute sense. This gets so frustrating!
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My Grandmother was born there.HER NAME WAS SARAH CRAWFORD.Husulo
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Husulo,
The Civil Registration Index gives a Sarah Jane Crawford born in 1874 and registered in Limavady (as it is now known). I have looked this up and found that Sarah Jane Crawford was born to Allison Crawford and Rebecca Carrick in Ballykelly sub District (about 3 miles west of Limavady) on 1 July 1874.
Allison and Rebecca were married on 25 May 1871 in Tamlaght Finlagan (Ballykelly) Church of Ireland.
Regards
EDIT. Sorry husulo, I have double checked and found this couple in the 1901 census, still in Ballykelly, although Sarah Jane is not living with them
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Kingskerwell
Thank you for the try.I do know that my Grandmother Sarah J. Crawford was born in Newton,Limavady.I do know that her mother was Catherine Crawford
I do know that my Grandmother had a sister Martha Crawford.I have the will of Martha,that died in the fifties.I previously posted this information on the web.
Thank You.
Husulo
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Husulo,
The only other birth of a Sarah Jane Crawford in the Limavady Registration District was on 21 Apr 1871 to Thomas Crawford and Catherine Henry who married in Drumachose Presbyterian Church, Limavady on 1 Jul 1869. Sarah Jane had two siblings, Hugh b 6 Aug 1873 and Martha Ann b3 May 1875. The births were registered in the Limavady sub-district of Bellarena which is about 6 miles north of Limavady. However like my last attempt this family is also on the 1901 census but again without Sarah Jane
Regards
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Kingskerswell
Again I thank you,but in 1901 Sarah had already been married to Alexander McDowell and moved to The States.
Milt Irwin aka (HUSULO)
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Hello, I have just discovered this chat page and am very interested.
My g g gradmother was Mary Thompson, born 1831, Tamlaght Finlagan. She married James Vincent, born Londonderry, in 1850 at Tamlaght Finlagan.
Marys father was William Thompson. I wonder if Mary is a sister to Robert Thompson that much of the discussion is about?
I would be grateful if any one can help with information about the Vincent family.
James and Mary's three oldest children immigrated to Australia, with Thomas eventually settling in New Zealand where I live.
We are holding a Vincent family reunion in Feb 2012 and would love some background of the family in Ireland.
Thomas and his sister Hadassah were both christened in the parish church at Tamlaght Finlagan.
Regards,
Robyn
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Hello Wendl, if you think there is a connection to the Ferguson family which could come through the Wilson`s or the Blacks please let me know. I looked at a picture showing Main St, Limavady and there is a traffic sign and if you look closely enough the building to the right there is a placue referring to Jane Ross and the Londonderry Air. Well that house is the house that the Thompson`s lived in a number of years ago. Let me know if this means anything to you.
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Regalk,
The Familysearch site shows that Thomas was born in the townland of Tullydrum in 1853. I think that this spelling is incorrect and this should be TERRYDRUM. Terrydrum is currently in the parish of Carrick but in 1853 it was in the parish of Tamlaght Finlagan. In 1858 the Griffith valuation shows that a Robert Vincent lived here in a house which he rented from a local farmer. See:- http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
Regards
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Thank you kingskerwell. I think that Robert was a brother to 'my' James Vincent.
We have a marriage cert for James and Mary (Thompson). His residence was Tamlaght and hers Drumran.
Would love to be able to get back further.
Thanks again, Robyn
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Husulo,
I knew a Martha Crawford who lived above us in Drumalief at the junction of the Bishop's Road. I'm sure she was a spinster and died in the late fifties.
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Was wondering if anyone has responded to your request for information on Vincents. I recently was made aware that a possible link to a Nancy (Ann) Vincent of this location might be a part of my "tree". She married a John Patton in 1853 at Tamlaght Finlagan and lived in Terrydrum. Her father was Thomas Vincent a "wheelwright" Does anyone see a connection to their tree. Thanks, Gord
Hello, I have just discovered this chat page and am very interested.
My g g gradmother was Mary Thompson, born 1831, Tamlaght Finlagan. She married James Vincent, born Londonderry, in 1850 at Tamlaght Finlagan.
Marys father was William Thompson. I wonder if Mary is a sister to Robert Thompson that much of the discussion is about?
I would be grateful if any one can help with information about the Vincent family.
James and Mary's three oldest children immigrated to Australia, with Thomas eventually settling in New Zealand where I live.
We are holding a Vincent family reunion in Feb 2012 and would love some background of the family in Ireland.
Thomas and his sister Hadassah were both christened in the parish church at Tamlaght Finlagan.
Regards,
Robyn
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Yippee! A connection. Nancy's father, Thomas, was my 3x great grandfather.
Nancy had a brother - James - who was the father of my great grandfather Thomas. (This Thomas is the one who came to NZ with his sisters.)
I also have that Nancy married John Patton in 1853 Limavady, Tamlaght Finlagan.
Unfortunately I have no other info on Nancy or her descendants.
I can send you James's descendants if you'd like.
Do you have the name of Nancy's mother? I have a choice of two ;)
Do you have any more on the Vincents? We are really struggling on this side of the world and would love more background info for the book we're compiling for our reunion next year.
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There certainly appears to be a connection here!! I have been struggling to get past my GGrandfathers (Thomas Patton) generation, and wondered why he used the forename Vincent for one of his sons, and for a middle name of one of his daughters. I had guessed it was a maiden name, but could never find a "google" connection. About a week ago, a helping hand in NI handed me the connection, and a two year stall in my research was moved forward. I have no information unfortunately on Nancy (Ann) and very limited information on John Patton, but of course have lots of stuff going forward from there. Nancy would be my 2X Great Grandmother. I would love to share information as I have been working on a book myself for about 7 years now and am always anxious to update its content. And I agree it seems more difficult to trace things from here (Canada). Please let me know if we can exchange information.
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One of my ancestors is THOMAS CRAWFORD b. 1809 who states when he moves to Canada with wife Mary Martin that he was a METHODIST farmer from Aghanloo and he is found there in the 1831 Census living at the Drumaderry Homestead.........this is just a few miles north of LIMAVADY.......
I can determine from the 1853 Census that ROBERT CRAWFORD is living on that exact homestead and a WILLIAM CRAWFORD is living nearby on the Ballyhanna homestead or Townland.
These are the only two Crawford head of households really close to Limavady listed.
As we know this William had a son William JR who was born around 1846 who married Rachel Lindsey: we can presume he was born himself somewhere around 1820-1825.......
Thus he was likely a brother to my Thomas.........
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as Robert isnt listed as a head of household in 1831: we could assume he was also a younger brother of Thomas
Now my Thomas named his first son Robert: again a clue at a connection........
Add in a Thomas marrying a Catherine Henry in the 1840s: and my Thomas is long gone.......
That he was born somewhere around the 1820s as well.........
This gives us a hint that there were probably 2 Senior Crawford men in the area........probably born around 1785-90
but both were either dead or gone by the 1831 census.............
Unless I am wrong: and the 1831 Thomas of Aghanloo isnt my fellow.......but one and the same who married Catherine Henry some 10+ years later????
Who these 2 progenitors of the early 1800s were: I cant find yet
What I do know is that in the early 1800s a good number of these Crawfords were ardent and radical Methodists and not Presbyterians.........although prior to 1800 most would be Presbyterian.
1766 we have another Thomas Crawford on the Flax Growers list living on the Ballycrum estate in Drumachose.
Because these guys are moving estates a lot: we can assume they didnt own the land they lived on but were COTTIERS.......people who lease/worked the land that others owned.
But there does seem to be this little pool of LImavady Crawfords that are a branch of their own.
Previously all we find in Limavady in 1740 is Mrs. Crawford..........widow? with sons?
I believe prior to that: around 1725 I identified a John Crawford: a Cottier: in the region living with the widow Hutchins.......but I will have to double check that information.
Hope this provides a few more bits to work with.
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Note aktiva
I am Milton Irwin aka HUSULO,from California,Thomas Crawford was my Great Grandfather he was married to Catherine Henry,they had three children,my grandmother Sarah Jane Crawford her siblings were Hugh and Martha.death records and pictures are at this site.
Husulo
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Hi,
I have a record of a Thomas Crawford who married Catherine Henry in Drumachose Presbyterian Church, Limavady. However the date is 1869.
Regards
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Yes Thank you:
I would have to assume if Thomas 1809, Robert and William were all brothers:
that this is the reason we continue to see those first names carry forward:
William Sr has a William Jr.
Likely this Thomas you mention is a son of one of these men..........
Its the darn 1780-1800 period that seems to have a dearth of Limavady Crawfords........
I know by the 1830s some from the Coleraine were migrating out: Joseph did in 1835 I believe for example.......
We would have to assume the Coleraine and Limavady Crawfords are one and the same historically........and if we do that: we get back to having some early Thomas and Roberts......
Certainly the main Barony of Keenaught: in 1740
We have
James at BALTEAGH Parish
James and John at BOVEVAGH Parish
Samuel and Brice at TAMLAGHT FINLAGAN Parish
John and James of MAGILLIGAN Parish
I don't know if that is a fair assumption: to say the Keenaught Crawfords are one lineage
since Coleraine Barony Crawfords are right in the zone as well.
John and William of AGHADOWEY in Coleraine
William in DErSETGOHILL in Coleraine
Robert, Joseph, James, James and Jacob in DUNBOE in Coleraine
John and Brice in MCOSQUIN in Coleraine
So in 1740 at least there is a whack of Crawford males within striking distance.
We can see most had cleared out of Keenaught by the mid 1800s to other parts of the world and Ireland.
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I think it may be unwise to assume all these Crawford were connected.
Desertoghill is a parish in Garvagh area (which is actual in two parishes- Desertoghill and Errigal). Aghadowey is another parish nearby. Coleraine is the Barony but wouldn't want to say Crawford there are even connected to each other. John and Brice in MCOSQUIN in Coleraine should be Macosquin Parish which is nearer the town of Coleraine.
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Well I am sure we are kinfolk........My Thomas b.c. 1809 who married Mary Martin 1807 or so: migrated to New Brunswick Canada......he claimed to be a Methodist.....and the first Methodist meeting house was erected in 1773 in Limavady......or only about 35 years before he was born. Thus I feel his father must have been one of the original members of this "new" sect.
Thoughts?
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Hello, I have just discovered this chat page and am very interested.
My g g gradmother was Mary Thompson, born 1831, Tamlaght Finlagan. She married James Vincent, born Londonderry, in 1850 at Tamlaght b.
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We are holding a Vincent family reunion in Feb 2012 and would love some background of the family in Ireland.
Thomas and his sister Hadassah were both christened in the parish church at Tamlaght Finlagan.
Regards,
Robyn
I have been investigating Robert Gault, farmer, Tamlaght, who was named executor of several wills of Irwin / Irvine farmers in Drumacarney 1899 until shortly before his death in 1931. One Drumcarney Irwin whose will I could not find online at PRONI is James Irwin (d. 1916). His stone at Old Tamlaght names family members including a daughter Margaret Hadessah Irwin (names in incorrect order on FindAGrave). I mention this because I find her middle name distinctive and possibly related to your Hadassah Vincent. Robert Gault of Tamlaght, who seems to have been related to this Drumcarney family by friendship if not blood, was survived by son Thomas Vincent Gault.
I may be creating a web out of pure coincidences, but wanted to mention these possible connections.
A photo of the Irwin family stone is at:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=77498547
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I am tracing FERGUSON ancestors who were all born in the "Newton, Limavady, Derry" area. I found the names I know for sure (William, Samuel, Malcom) in the 1831 Derry Census as living in "Keenaght, Bovevagh, Killibleught" at that time with Loughrey family nearby. The Fergusons also had a daughter Margaret, sons Andrew and John.
Ferguson's younger son Andrew b. 1805 m. Janet LOUGHREY in "Derry" in 1827. Andres's first son John born 1828 listed as Bovevagh Presbyterian, Derry, Ireland. They moved to Scotland abt 1843 or so.
My ancestor John Hill Ferguson, Sr was a son of William and Letitia Ferguson (also maiden name). He was born abt 1796 in Ireland. He moved to Scotland before 1821. I know all his descendants but nothing else about his ancestors. They were Presbyterians. Family names repeated many times in later generations were Letitia, William, John, James, Joseph, Mary Ann, and George.
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The 1831 census only lists head of household by name (and then shows number of males & females in the household) so it's not always possible to identify the correct family in a particular townland.
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The 1831 census only lists head of household by name (and then shows number of males & females in the household) so it's not always possible to identify the correct family in a particular townland.
I understand but I also have a family note written by John's son about 1875 stating names and area.
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Always good to have family notes but from your post it sounded as though you thought the named in 1831 census (William, Samuel, Malcom) were in the one household.
Did you know that the Griffith's Valuation Revision Books are now on PRONI's site? www.proni.gov.uk Might help follow the family still in Ireland futher forward.