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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: Pam at Valetta on Monday 20 September 10 04:12 BST (UK)
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My Great Grandmother was a Mary CLIBBORN who emigrated to Melbourne, Australia in 1860, aged 28 i.e. she was born about 1832. My Father says she came from Tipperary, Ireland. The only information I have on her is that she was a Presbyterian, her Mother was possibly a Cluff, her sister married a member of the Dublin Metropolitan Police and she possibly had seven brothers who emigrated to America. I would very dearly love to find out more about her. As my Father's first name was Oliver, I am very interested in an Oliver Clibborn who was born in 1894, lived in Whittier, which I think was in Los Angeles ,and died there about 1875 - from memory. He had a son Oliver who died in Seattle, Washington in 2004. From Pam at Valetta. I live in N.Z.
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Hi
Clibborn wasn't a common name in Tipperary. However, there was a Joseph Clibborn who married a Margaret Harvey in 1840 and this couple seem to have had a large family. Children born in Clonmel, Tipperary include:-
Mary Harvey b 1841, Elizabeth Mary b 1842, Rebecca Harvey b 1843, Thomas Harvey b 1845, Charles Edward b 1846, Susanna b 1847, Frederick b 1850, Barclay Joseph b 1851 and William Goff Clibborn b 1859.
Do any of these names sound familiar?
Cheers
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HI,
Thank you so much for your comments on the CLIBBORN family name. I am aware that there was quite a few Clibborn families over the years in Clonmel, but so far have never been able to access all the family trees that may be available. I do have a Rob Clibborn living quite near to us and he has a tree back many hundreds of year that originated in Clonmel but my Mary is not on it. They were a fairly monied family as the original Mr. Clibborn married the daughter of a large textile/woollen mill in Clonmel. My Mary was born around 1832, so she was a bit early for the family you mentioned, but thank you very much for advising me. Maybe one day she may turn up on a tree from Clonmel, who knows.
Regards, Pam.
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Hi Pam, the Clibborn family in Clonmel were well known Quakers and involved in the corn milling and I believe cotton industry, I think they married into the Grubb(?) family who were involved in the Anney Mills/ Anney House, which from memory is not actually in Clonmel but out towards Fethard or Marlfield, I am not sure which. There is quite a few Clibborns buried in the Quaker cemetery in Albert St, Clonmel and it may be worth having a look at the records, if you have not already done so.
I'll see if I can find out more for you.
Tony
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Tony, thank you so much for such an informative email. I will certainly do my best to see the monumental inscriptions for the cemetery in Clonmel. I knew a Clibborn had married a daughter of the Grubb family who owned the Anner Mills. The MI's must surely be indexed somewhere. It's just amazing how good all you people are giving me information on my families and ways to find them. I never realised, when I joined Rootschat a few weeks ago, that this would happen.
Regards, Pam. I'd love to know where you all lived worldwide. I live in N.Z.
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Pam,
I don't know if this helps, I came across a page in the Ireland Genealogy Archives which appears to relate to some work done by the Society of Friends and one of the items states:
Elisabeth Grubb of Anner Mill, daughter of John & Sarah Grubb married a John Barclay Clibborn, date of marriage is not shown.
John & Sarah Grubb were the owners of Anner Mill and a wealthy family, when Sarah died in 1832 she left an estimated fortune of £100,000.
John Barclay Clibborn is possibly the Mr Clibborn you are looking for and possibly the father to Mary.
Looking at the records for The Quakers Cemetery in Clonmel it looks as if Elisabeth died in 1861 and John in 1850, they possibly had some children who are also mentioned. The Anner Mill is I think located on the River Anner, but for the life of me, I cannot remember where it is, I think it is to the east of Clonmel and is a tributary of the River Suir.
I 'll do some more digging and once I establish which townland it is I'll let you know.
Tony
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Thank you once again, Tony.
I'll await your recearching results with great interest. It's all quite exciting this end. Mary was a Presbyterian - is that similar to a Quaker?
Cheers, Pam.
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Hi Pam,
I think I may possibly have tracked down Anner House, it appears Anner Mills was demolished and Anner House rebuilt in its place, the only problem is the name Anner House appears in 3 different locations around Clonmel, but I think I know which one was owned by the Grubb family.
I was brought up in Clonmel, but now live in England, but I still have relations living there and have spoken to them, this morning and they are checking exact location for me. As soon as I hear anything I will let you know.
By the way I had completely forgotten and it was only talking to my cousin this morning she reminded me that our family originally lived in Albert street, right next door to the Quaker Cemetery.
I think some Quakers may have described themselves as Presbyterians and without looking at the census I believe there are still some Clibborns, in Clonmel who are shown as Presbyterian, I 'll check
I see you live in NZ and you may be able to point me in the right direction as I have a problem researching my wife's side of the family who come from New Ross Co Wexford.
Her great grandmother whose name was Annie Cullen ( nee Breen ) dob around 1863 was left in Ireland when her parents had to get out of Ireland ( they witnessed a political shooting) and the emigrated to NZ. We have no details of their names all we know is they had a string of bakers shops somewhere in NZ. An impossible task I know but do you have any ideas as where we could start looking.
Thanks
Tony
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Tony, Thank you once again for your help. Dad thought that Mary's Father died before she emigrated to Aust. in 1860 and then on to N.Z. in 1863. Her Mother must have still been alive when she left. Dad thought her maiden name was Cluff.
Mary had a sister who married a Dublin Metropolitan Policeman with possibly the name Clark - Dad was not at all sure of that either. I have checked the 1845 on Prot. marrs. but no Clibborn/Clark one. The Policemen's files do not have any details of their marrs. unfortunately.
I will happily check out the Cullen's for you. I am a member of the N.Z. Soc. of Genealogists so will check out their indexes. There has been a great surge in indexing in the last few years just as there has been in your part of the world. By the way where do you live? Have you any idea when the family left for N.Z. and the parents and children's names? The shipping records will give me all these details. And then on to directories. It's all quite exciting to me. They should't be too hard to locate, just give me time.
Regards, Pam.
Regards, Pam.
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Hi Pam,
Thanks the more and more I look at this I am coming to the conclusion that we have in fact found the right Mr Clibborn. Whilst the Grubbs owned Anner Mills, I have discoverd they owned some 20+ other mills in the area, so a very wealthy family. Bits and pieces are beginning to slot in place but what I need is Mary's date of death as I think this may have been also recorded in Clonmel, also, did she have any other christian name.
Regarding my wife's family, the problem we have is that their are no living relatives on that side of the family and all we know is Annie's maiden name was Breen, and we are not sure if they came from New Ross but I suspect it was. As I said an impossible task
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Hi,
I think the Oliver Clibborn you referred to as being born in 1894 is Arthur Sydney Oliver Clibborn (1894-1966) born in Buenos Aires. He had a son Arthur Oliver Clibborn (1922-2004) who died in Washing ton State. The elder of these two was a son of Percy James Clibborn (1853-1947). He was born in Moate, Westmeath, Ireland and died in Portland Oregon. He was a Salvation Army officer. See: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=Clibborn&I11.x=31&I11.y=7
This is not my web site, but some of my research is included there.
I have done a fair bit of research on the Clibborn family, but I do not have a Mary born in 1832 in Tipperary. I do not think Mary is a daughter of John Barclay Clibborn Elizabeth Grubb. They were married in 1800 and had 15 children into the 1820's.
Regards,
David.
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Hi Pam,
You mentioned a Rob Clibborn living close to you with a Clibborn family tree going back many generations. I also have a large Clibborn family tree drawn many years ago and I have heard there are copies of this tree about. I would be interested to know about the tree and also about Rob's story - ie. which branch of the Clibborns he belongs to. Is he interested in sharing his genealogy information?
If his Clibborn tree goes back hundreds of years in Ireland, I am pretty sure I am related to him one way or another.
Regards,
David.
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Hi,
I'm new around here and came across your posts. I don't know if you are still researching, but I think we are looking at the same people. I don't know whether your father's memory is fuzzy or there are two similar names, but Mary Clibborn married Robert Mark Noble RUFF (Cluff - a mix of clibborn and ruff?) in Switzers New Zealand. They had a child Elizabeth Ann Ruff who is my great grandma.
Good luck
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Hi Pam. Arthur Sidney Oliver Clibborn known as Oliver born 3.11.1894 Buenos Aires died 18.11.1966 Los Angeles
His son Oliver Arthur Clibborn born 24.1.1922 Cook Illinois Chicago died 19.4.2004 Kings Washington. I can't seem to find as marriage for Oliver Arthur. I noticed you said you live in New Zealand. who do you come from. Alan Courtnay, Eric Hollway or Charles Hovenden, they are all in my "Clibborn" tree. I live in NSW Australia.
Regards
Sandy Millhouse
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taken from a post on Banbridge, Co. Down
"the factories and the houses were built by the Clibborn family who were Quakers and came to Banbridge from Moate in Co Westmeath, they built Solitude House as their home, owned Solitude, built Victoria House on Newry Rd yet it is near impossible to get any information on what happened to them"
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