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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: podgeb on Sunday 19 September 10 23:51 BST (UK)
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Hi,
i'm researching my family history, and now think the Omans in the family originated for Midlothian, Edinburgh and then moved to Dublin sometime after 1825. Is there any way of finding out this (I'm in Ireland btw) because i haven't a clue where to start. Any help much appreciated!
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I have no knowledge of the family, including any Edinburgh connection, but I do know that there were Omans in the Orkney Isles from the 16th century up to the present .
Perhaps you should try posting on the Orkney board, quoting names and dates?
Ian Morrison
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Thanks for replying IanB, i'll try that.
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FreeCen for 1841, lists 184, almost all born in Orkney, Caithness, or Edinburgh.
Hibee
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Thanks for that Hibee, will take a look now.
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Thanks again Hibee, these are the Oman i am talking about. My great great great grandfather is William Oman and he had a brother George, they were both married in Dublin in 1845 & 1850 and were Jewellers, is this to much a coincidence?
OMAN Robert M 30 Jeweller Journeyman England
OMAN John M 40 Jeweller Journeyman Midlothian
OMAN Agnes F 40 Midlothian
OMAN Margaret F 16 Midlothian
OMAN William M 15 Jeweller Apprentice Midlothian
OMAN George M 14 Jeweller Apprentice Midlothian
P.S their father was John Oman because i have both there wedding certificates.
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This is the family
George married Harriett Brady in Dublin 1845
OMAN George Head M M 25 Goldsmith Midlothian - Edinburgh
OMAN Harriet Wife M F 22 Ireland - -
OMAN Francis Son U M 2 Midlothian - Edinburgh
OMAN Matthew Son U M 2m Midlothian - Edinburgh
BURNS Mary Servnt U F 20 General Servant Ireland
Thanks again for all the help
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Hi Podgeb
There are a couple of family trees on this line on Ancestry. They have some details on both William and George, along with some other siblings. They show both William and George returning to Scotland after their Irish marriages.
This looks to be your William and wife Mary Ann Margaret Murphy in the 1871 census - everyone showing as born in Ireland except for William Snr.:
William Oman 46, Working Jeweller b. Edinburgh
Margaret Oman 40 b. Ireland
Goerge Oman 18
Agnes Oman 15
William Oman 12
Frances Oman 4
Margaret Oman 6 months
Address: 12 Shilong Square, Glasgow
William's death shows on 12/07/1892 in St Cuthbert's Poorhouse, Edinburgh. You should be able to confirm this yourself on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. His parents are given as John Oman and Agnes Haig.
Monica :)
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Hi Monica,
Thank you so much for all the information, i knew George had returned but could'nt find William. George age 18 is my great great great grandfather.
Thanks again
Paula
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George and Harriet in 1881:
George Oman 52, commercial traveller b. Edinburgh
Harriet Oman 51 b. Dublin
Agnes Oman 16, b. Dublin
Harriet Holdon 3, granddaughter b. Greenock
Address: 27 Main St, Bridgeton Glasgow
By co-incidence, George's death is also showing as the same year as William's, 12 Jul 1892 in Edinburgh.
You need to verify all this podgeb - Ancestry trees can be a good guide but where original sources are not included, you need to be able to double check :)
Monica
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William and family in 1881 - everyone born in Ireland unless shown:
William Oman 57, goldsmith b. Edinburgh
Mary Anne Oman 49, b.
Agnes Hewett/Oman 25
Mary Anne Oman 16
Francis Oman 14
Margaret Oman 10
Archibald Oman 6, b. Paisley
Archibald Hewitt 2, grandson b. Glasgow
Address: 28 Nelson Street, Blackfriars Glasgow
Monica
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Paula, with that reference to William and George's mother potentially being Agnes Haig, interesting to note William's middle name at the registration of son Archibald's birth, from IGI:
ARCHIBALD HEWITT OMAN Birth: 23 SEP 1874 High Church, Paisley
Parents: WILLIAM HAIG OMAN and MARY ANN MURPHY
Monica
Added: The Haig middle name shows on William's birth entry on the Old Parish Registers also. From IGI, some of the children showing to John Oman and Agnes Haig:
1. MARGARET OMAN Birth: 18 SEP 1821 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh
2. WILLIAM HAIG OMAN Birth: 07 MAR 1824 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh
3. GEORGE OMAN Birth: 21 OCT 1825 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh
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Hi Monica,
Thank you again,
Not sure about the William Oman, our William had a son George (this George had the middle name Hague) who married in 1870 in Dublin.
Thanks
Paula
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Hi Paula
Not sure what you mean? From the 1871 census entry we had, the family of William and Mary Ann/Margaret and with son George in the household. I would guess from what you have said that this is the correct family, with youngest Margaret who shows as 6 months showing on IGI as born on 19 SEP 1870 in Dublin.
The 1881 census entry I posted is for the same family, but your George was already over in Dublin married and with children by this point wasn't he? I can see on IGI that Catherine Teresa Oman was born on 12 MAY 1872 in Dublin.
Likely the name Haig/Hague, after Agnes Haig, was passed on as a middle name through the lines.
Monica :)
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Yes George is in Dublin maybe was in scotland when they did the census, He also has a daughter Mary Anne who was born in 1870. Wonder is this Margaret? is she listed as daughter or granddaughter do you know. Thanks for everything you are doing.
Paula
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I think the 6 month old Margaret who showing in 1871 is daughter to William. This looks a likely entry for her birth on IGI:
MARGARET OMAN Birth: 19 SEP 1870 Dublin
Parents: WILLIAM OMAN and MARY ANNE MURPHY
There are a couple of things you could check on original documents Paula. From www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, you would be able to check the marital status of son George, 18, who shows at home with parents in 1871. The transcript does not show marital status unfortunately.
Also, if you have the marriage date for William and Mary Ann/Margaret Murphy, you can confirm this date on the birth entry for the son Archibald who was born in 1874 in Paisley. From http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start the date of marriage shows as 4 Fe. 1850 in Dublin.
Scottish birth certs from around 1862 include the date and place of parents' marriage. William's wife, is it Mary Ann or Margaret, quite different first names, just wondered why both come up. The marriage shows as Mary Ann Murphy and birth registrations for Margaret in Dublin and Archibald in Paisly show her as Mary Ann. I am wondering whether 'Margaret' in 1871 is a mistranscription of her name, ie., Mary Ann?
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Yes they got married on 4 feb 1850
Name WILLIAM OMAN MARY ANNE MURPHY
Address 47 ST KING ST 47 ST KING ST
Occupation JEWELLER N/R
Father JOHN OMAN STEPHEN MURPHY
Mother N/R N/R
Further details in the record
Husband Age FULL
Husband Marital Status B
Wife Age MINOR
Wife Marital Status S
Husband's Father's Occupation JEWELLER
Wife's Father's Occupation SMITH
Witness 1 HENRY EDWARDS (WITNESS FOR HUSBAND)
Witness 3 THOS HOLMES (WITNESS FOR WIFE)
This is Mary Anne Oman born 17 Jan 1870
Name MARY ANNE OMAN
Date of Birth N/R N/R 1870
Address 6 TEMPLE BAR
Father GEORGE OMAN
Mother CATHERINE MALLOY
Further details in the record
Child Denomination ROMAN CATHOLIC
Sponsor 1 JOHN HAMILTON
Sponsor 2 RODNEY TERESA
This is the record from Irish Genealogy. Thank you so much wouldnt have gotten very far without your help.
Paula
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Your George must have been very young when he married - c. 17 if he shows as 18 in 1871?
Monica
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Just thinking with that entry for birth of Mary Ann to George and Catherine in 1870. She shows a Catholic christening.
Just checking on Scotlands People, and the three births that we had on the Old Parish Registers for George, Margaret and William, children to John and Agnes (Haig) also show on the Roman Catholic birth or christening registers. Sometimes you find that Roman Catholic events were recorded on the Old Parish Registers (presbyterian denomination, the established Church of Scotland). There are two entries showing relating to the RC marriage for John Oman and Agnes Haig (maybe banns and marriage?).
The Roman Catholic background for the family explains why there was so little to be found on the family on IGI :)
Monica
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Hi Monica,
When George (1845) and William (1850) both married it was CoI. When George married Catherine Molloy in 1870 they married in a RC church.
Thanks
Paula
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As a wee point of interest...there is a pub in Peffermill, Edinburgh called OMAN's.
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Thank you lyndyloo. Wonder are we related!
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Hi again,
I got the marriage cert for John oman and Agnes Haig but can't make out what it says!
If any one can make it out for me!
Thanks
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John Oman jeweller Causewayside No 53 and Agnes Haig daughter of the late Wm Haig residing there 53 that they are unmarried persons and liveth in the forbidden (something awful) and have resided in this parish for the space of seven weeks previous to the above date as certified by David ????
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Wow Hibee, thank you. I could only make out the names.
Thanks again
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Just wanted to thank everyone for the help they gave me on this tread.
:)
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Hi there , a bit late perhaps , I think the missing phrase after "unmarried persons" is
"and not within the forbidden degrees of consanguinity" .
Phew !
Sally
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Hi there , a bit late perhaps , I think the missing phrase after "unmarried persons" is
"and not within the forbidden degrees of consanguinity" .
Phew !
Sally
Thank you Sally, every little helps!
:)
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Just came across this. My grandmother's Aunt Margaret (Murtagh) married William Oman in Dublin in 1918. This William would have been a great grandson of the original William who married Mary Ann. I have some photos of William and Margaret's children. Also a link to a family tree of the Omans in Ireland. Let me know if this would be of any help. I'm also based in Ireland.
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Hi Heldun,
Thanks for getting in touch. William was my grandfathers brother. Do you have any photos of William and Margaret? I only have one of the brothers. Would love to see the photos you have.
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Just came across this. My grandmother's Aunt Margaret (Murtagh) married William Oman in Dublin in 1918. This William would have been a great grandson of the original William who married Mary Ann. I have some photos of William and Margaret's children. Also a link to a family tree of the Omans in Ireland. Let me know if this would be of any help. I'm also based in Ireland.
Hi I'm also of this Oman family from Dublin/Edinburgh...William is my Great Grandfather John Oman's Brother and I have a large tree on Geni: http://www.geni.com/share?t=6000000016326621409 but would love more help with it! Loving the discussions here! And I'd love to see any of the family photos too! You might be on the tree too but i don't know if Heldun is your real name :) I'm also in Dublin
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http://www.geni.com/share?t=6000000016326621409 (http://www.geni.com/share?t=6000000016326621409)
Edinbugh to Dublin, My Oman Family tree on Geni decending from
George Oman (c1750s) and Mary Beattie (1760)
John Oman (1798) and Agnes Haig (1798)
William Oman (1824) and Mary Ann Murphy (1832)
George Hague Oman (1850) and Catherine Molloy (1853)
John JF Oman (1880) and Mary Kinsella (1881)
John J Oman (1909) and Bridget Murphy (1914)
Brigid Fionnuala Oman (1942) and Robert Davis (1944)
David Oman Davis(Me)