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I'm still at a brick wall as to what happened to and how my Great Grandfather Henry George Standley born 1852 in Roudham, Wymondham died. Therefore, I am now considering whether he committed suicide. Does anyone know if a person committing suicide around the 1900 would still have a death certificate? ???
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Hi
I would have thought that every death has a death certificate and at that date, What area did he die you have only given his place of birth?
cheers cardiff ???
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FreeBMD
henry standley Birmingham 3rd qtr 1909 vol 6d page 82 age 59
.. .. Poplar 4th qtr 1901 vol1c page 416 age 39
cheers cardiff ???
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I can only assume he died just prior to 1901 as his estranged wife was classed as widowed on the 1901 census and prior to that he was still fathering children. The thought of suicide occurred to me as I have just finished reading an article in Practical Family History about suicide. The author concludes by saying 'if one of your ancestors 'disappears' from the records, it's worthwhile considering the possibility of suicide..'. I can only find census returns for 1861 and 1871. I have a marriage certificate but he left his wife and she remained in Louth workhouse for 20 years. However he must have had some contact as he fathered 4 of her children during this time!! He has been so elusive, I think I'm jsut clutching at straws now!
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I can only assume he died just prior to 1901 as his estranged wife was classed as widowed on the 1901 census
Estranged and deserted wives often reported themselves as widows in the census as a face-saver - I wouldn't conclude from that alone that he was definitely dead.
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Thank you for that, I am so at a loss with this man!!
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Would agree the info given on census returns is only as accurate as the person giving the info wants it to be.
The later children may have been fathered by someone else??
I'd go back to a census when they are actually enumerated together on census night and inch forward from that.
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Who did he marry and what year ?...couldn`t find him under Henry but ....under George born 1852 Wymondham....
is this him ?...quite rich in 1881 ...with a servant
1881
103 White Horse Street
London
Middlesex
George Standley head aged 29 General Dealer born 1852 Wymondham,Norfolk
Rachel Standley wife aged 28 b Mile End , Middlesex
Hannah R dau aged 11 b Mile End
Louise H dau aged 9 b Mile End
George R son aged 6 Mile End
Maud E aged 5 b Mile End
Elenor I aged 1 b Mile End
Margaret Gunn aged 17 Unmarried Domestic Servant b Ratcliff , Middlesex
Rachel had her 1st child at 16/17 ...young bride and young groom...so he`s done well to have a servant 11 years later.......allan :)
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Just a thought....if that is him ....have you looked for a death as GEORGE STANDLEY, as he seemed to prefer that name to Henry....
George Standley aged 63 died dec qtr 1915 in Romford.....a possible ??
allan ???
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Henry George married Ann Snowden from Louth in 1875. They met in Chorlton near Manchester. Henry's father worked on the railways and I assume must have moved there from Norfolk for his work. I have no idea why Ann moved from Louth to work in chorlton. I really don't know where Henry went after this as Ann went to Louth Workhouse due to her husband deserting her but she still had his children at various times.
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How do you know that they where his children? Maybe you must have birth certificates ?
cheers cardiff ???
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1875 at St Marks church,Hulme, Manchester 5/3/202
now I know where I am ....Ann Snowden and George Henry Standley...OK...I`ll have a look on lan-opc...allan
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The first babtism of a child is
3rd March 1878 ,Stowell Memorial,Salford
Robert Henry Standley...child of Henry George Standley and Ann
abode 8 Shaw Street
occupation Clerk
babtised by W.Doyle
sorry...there`s no more on lan-opc....allan :)
ADDED...Robert Henry Standley was born in dec qtr 1877 and registered in Louth..I presume they then moved to Salford and had the baby babtised in Salford??
Albert b 1881 and Bertram 1883 both in Louth...are these related ?....allan
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If someone commits suicide and the body isn't found, and no one reports them missing (or even if they do) its possible the death wouldn't be registered.
But most suicides ARE found and they'd be registered. It may be that the name is misrecorded or misindexed. This happens quite a lot. My own sister-in-law's marriage in 1991 has her surname misindexed as Searce instead of Pearce.
With Standley, I'd try Stanley, Stanly, Standlee, Standlea etc.
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thanks everyone, Robert Henry Standley is my Grandfather, and yes I have all the birth certificates, Edith Robert Henry, Albert, Bertram are all Henry George's children. However there is a birth certificate with no father on it for Charles Emerson. Following Edith's birth Ann moved back to Louth I assume back to her parents. But she had 15 siblings and ended up in Louth Workhouse. It appears she was back and fore there for the next 20 years and Henry George keeps appearing to father her children. But I can only find conclusive census returns for him for 1861 and 1871 :-\
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Who was the informant on the birth certificates?
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I have seen a death certificate in 1900 where the cause of death was suicide. It noted the place and method and that there had been an inquest.
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The informant was Ann Standley
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Just thinking about Ann Standley being the informant ......... the only person who truly knew the parentage of the children, could she not have just listed them as her estranged husband's children even though they weren't together?
There's no way of proving it and you didn't have to produce any document to register a birth. :-\ Even if you had to, she would have had a marriage certificate.
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A woman's husband was considered to be the legal father of her children, so it's not surprising for him to be listed on the birth certificate even if he wasn't around.
Looking closely at the Louth Workhouse records might be the way to track things. When is she first listed as "deserted", is there any ever mention of her husband returning or being in there with her, etc. When is the son with no father listed born? (is he "Charles Emerson Standley" in 1895?)
http://boards.tiscali.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=640&p=surnames.snowden
- a thread here mentions another woman, Emma Humphreys, who he never married but had children with.
In this case is he the one in Louth aged 30 b. "Stone, Stafford", "wife" Emma b. Wales, while Ann is in the workhouse?
He has at least three children with her (http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html, baptised as "Stanley"), while Ann seems to be baptising some of her children with no father's name (Albert in 1881, Bertram in 1883, also Charles in 1895). Do you have full records of these? - if this is indeed the same man, he's damn cheeky, because he's christening children with Emma while Ann's christening her children at the same church, sometimes only weeks apart.
I think by 1901 Emma, along with some of her children, is in West Derby. No sign of Henry with them. They use the name Stanley. I don't have access to the 1891 but knowing where both Ann and Emma were at the time would help with tracing Henry George.