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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: sihuss on Wednesday 15 September 10 15:15 BST (UK)
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Hi folks,
can anyone suggest any avenues of attack I should take for the following WW1 Medal Card owner?
Pte. Dudley Hussey 23238 1st Royal Irish Regiment, and 35935 Company of Hussars.
There doesn't appear to be any 'pension' or service records on Ancestry/NA for him.
I've no idea who he is, but he is almost certainly related to me as Dudley is name traditionally used in our Hussey family.
Any suggestions would be hugely appreciated.
Simon
Ireland
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The only "Dudley Hussey" on a GenesReunited tree is one born Wexford in 1800.
The Royal Irish recruited in Wexford, so it is possibly a descendant of this chap.
Try contacting the owner of that tree.
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The 1901 census in Ireland has only 1 Dudley Hussey - and he was 29 and born England, so unlikely to be the Royal Irish chap
The 1911 Irish census only has 2 Dudley Hussey and they are too young
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The only 2 Dudley Hussey in Griffiths circa 1850 are in Dublin, but about 25% of the 1000 Husseys in Ireland then were in Wexford
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There are only 5 birth records on Irish State registers for a Dudley Hussey, and none of those could have been your man here. Free BMD only shows 1 Dudley Hussey born in England, and he could not be your man either!
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Thanks Corrisande,
it's a teaser, isn't it! As you say none of the census or BMD Dudley's seem to fit the bill as regards age. The only one that is even possible is the father of one of those listed on 1911 Ireland Census (incorrectly indexed as Dually Hussey - my g grandfather). But he would have been in his 40's so again, not really likely. And I'm not aware of him having gone to war.
Many thanks for the genes-reunited link - I have a nasty feeling I may have given that person their information but I'm chasing it up anyway!
Thanks!
Simon
The 1901 census in Ireland has only 1 Dudley Hussey - and he was 29 and born England, so unlikely to be the Royal Irish chap
The 1911 Irish census only has 2 Dudley Hussey and they are too young
And
The only 2 Dudley Hussey in Griffiths circa 1850 are in Dublin, but about 25% of the 1000 Husseys in Ireland then were in Wexford
And
There are only 5 birth records on Irish State registers for a Dudley Hussey, and none of those could have been your man here. Free BMD only shows 1 Dudley Hussey born in England, and he could not be your man either!
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there is a Dudley Hussey commemorated as having served during the Great War on a scroll in Rathmullan, Co Donegal
http://www.irishwarmemorials.ie/html/showMemorial.php?show=670
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Great stuff,
Many thanks Johnny_Doyle! Looks like my man!
Only remains to chase him down now.
Thanks,
Simon
there is a Dudley Hussey commemorated as having served during the Great War on a scroll in Rathmullan, Co Donegal
http://www.irishwarmemorials.ie/html/showMemorial.php?show=670
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The Rathmullan link was enough. His name was Dudley De Vere Hawthorne Hussey! He married a local girl named Laura Adelaide Anderson in 1912. I suspect the Anderson's on the Honor Roll are probably brothers/cousins of Laura.
Strange that I can't find the guy in either 1901 or 1911 census though...
Thanks again,
Simon.
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LDS has a marriage ref in the Milford District
Name: Dudley De V H Hussey
Registration District: Milford
Event Type: MARRIAGES
Registration Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1912
Estimated Birth Year:
Age (at Death):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101262
Volume Number: 2
Page Number: 249
Digital Folder Number: 4199364
Image Number: 00344
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
I wasn't able to find him in the census either; tried variations but blank.
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Hi Johnny_Doyle,
yes, I twigged that alright. I don't have the marriage cert, but I do have the birth of his son (of the same name) a year or 2 later, elsewhere. The mother's name was Laura Adelaide Anderson - and she is visible in Rathmullan in both census!
Many thanks again for your efforts. ;D Very much appreciated!
Simon
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the signature of Mrs D Hussey of Rathmullan
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/UlsterCovenant/image.aspx?image=W0019760003
No sign of himself.
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Ah, that's brilliant!! ;D ;D
And there's her mum just above her egging her on! The rest of the Anderson family appear to have also signed elsewhere.
I suppose its no surprise that Presbyterians from Ulster were against Home Rule.
The Hussey's themselves seem to have been an odd mix of RC and COI, so that may explain why Dudley himself did not sign the covenant.
Thanks for that Johnny - another direct hit for you :) And I thought I'd exhausted the online references to Dudley! Keep up the good work!
Much obliged.
Simon
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I had a go searching for "Hawthorne Hussey" and came across an RIC District Inspector William Hawthorne Hussey with son of the same name. Any possibility that he is a relation? One census he says he's born Dublin, another he's put Roscommon. Ancestry shows Roscommon as place of birth.
He seems to have come off worse in a riot in 1919
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=WH19091018.2.14&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0-all
which ties in with a death record on LDS.
Cannot understand why there's so little info in the various databases re a man with such an unusual name.
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Hi Johnny_Doyle,
Many thanks for the newspaper clipping. William and his father Edward F Hussey were both supposedly quite high up in the RIC, but I haven't had a chance to check Irish newspaper archives as yet.
Although I need to get Dudley's marriage cert to confirm, I'm 99% sure William was Dudley's brother. I transcribed a birth entry for William from the Castlrea (Co. Roscommon) COI records. In fact, I transcribed entries for the entire family, except.... you've probably guessed it - Dudley...
You'll have noticed an Ethel Maud Hussey on William's census returns - the only Ethel Hussey in either 1901/1911 census. Conveniently, she also turned up on the Ulster Covenant... with her address given as Rathmullan :) Coincidence?
Given that Dudley DVH Hussey doesn't appear in Civil Index births or deaths, or in either census, (or in Castlerea COI records for that matter), I wondered if perhaps Dudley was not his given name. I'm at a loss to be honest!
Any thoughts??? ???
Simon
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I see where you're going with the Ethel link. Very good.
Was Edward Hussey married to Elizabeth Hawthorne, 1852, daughter of Arthur Hawthorne. William H then born circa 1857. If Dudley DVH Hussey was William's brother he would have been potentially quite old marrying Laura and then enlisting.
this seems to be Edward in the 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000705302/
I see he's RC (and a Wexfordman to boot - though I see on another thread you've got his father as a "blow in" to Wexford) while the daughters are CoI - but both very young. so perhaps Dudley DVH could be William's brother.... but still old marrying Laura and then enlisting.
Any idea where the De Vere comes from?
Ancestry has an 18year old Edward Hussey from Wexford enlisting in the RIC in 1845.
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Hi Johnny_Doyle,
yes, it had occurred to me that Edward and Elizabeth would have to had Dudley very late on in order for the Anderson marriage and enlistment to make any sense.
Its possible of course that I'm missing out a generation - that maybe one of Edward's sons 'begot' Dudley DVH Hussey. Anyway, I'll hopefully pick up Dudley DVH's marriage cert on Friday and that will at least solve that aspect of things! I'm hoping to get a look at the RIC microfilm sometime soon too, so I can see what info that throws up.
No idea where the De Vere comes from.
It's MY family that are the blow-in's to Wexford. ;D Both my parents were originally from Dublin! :) Did I see you have some Enniscorthy connection yourself?
Anyway, thanks again for your continued interest and support.
Simon
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stumbled on a family tree with Eward and Elizabeth on Ancestry with a reference to another of William's brothers KIA in 1917 with the Australian forces :
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=78833
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=6928081
although the service records states born in Brisbane. A letter from his daughter re the father's death also enquires about the brother - Arthur Dudley Hussey
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=300341
He seems to have got in a bit of bother and received a 3yr prison sentence after court martial, commuted to 6months in military prison.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=6928261
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It's MY family that are the blow-in's to Wexford. ;D Both my parents were originally from Dublin! :) Did I see you have some Enniscorthy connection yourself?
Yes to the Enniscorthy connection. My grandfather, John Stephen Doyle, was born there 26th December 1912, the 2nd son on Daniel Doyle (Enniscorthy) and Kate Neill/O'Neill (Kiltealy/Askin Villar). Moved up to Dublin in the 1930's after a stint in the Free State Army. The cottage he grew up in is in Solsborough - just to the north of Enniscorthy. My father's from Dublin (Harold's Cross) as is the wife (Rathgar).
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Yeah - tragic story that. Father and son died within a week or 2 or two of each other. Some talk of the father having falsified records in order to follow his son to war.
Had flagged the arthur DUDLEY hussey on day 1 of my research but wasn't until recently I found the link between us. As I may have said already, every Dudley Hussey bar some people surnamed 'Dudley-Hussey' in America have transpired to be connected.
FYI My g grandfather (Dudley Hussey!!!) lived in Rathgar for a long time. He was one of the founders of Bohemians FC. I'm fairly familiar with the area myself as I spent much of the last 6 years living up the road in Rathfarnham.
Cheers,
Simon
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a thread re the George's moved to Oz
http://listsearches.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-QLD/2006-12/1166610775
Brian Morley is the owner of the tree I stumbled upon in Ancestry but there's no info re William etc...
The wife's from Frankfort Ave in Rathgar. I know bit's of Rathfarnham - my aunt (the father's sister), uncle and cousins are there (Hillside Park) - the Yellow House and Blue Haven(?) spring to mind.
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Hi Johnny,
I've chatted to Brian before. Looks like Janet from Hervey Bay is the person with the source material though!! :) Thanks for the link to the thread.
Am indeed familiar with the Yellow House, although I've never been inside. 'The Castle' in the village was my watering hole of choice :)
If you ever need a graveyard search or similar for Enniscorthy, just give me a shout.
Cheers,
Simon
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Hi folks,
just to confirm (if anyone's interested) the Dudley De Vere Hawthorne Hussey turned out to be the son of William Hawthorne Hussey of the RIC.
Cheers,
Simon
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aha. Did you find a birth cert or the marriage cert?
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HI Johnny,
I got Dudley's Marriage cert. Still leaves me with some rather odd outcomes... If you look at William's 1911 census return, he says 4 children born of which 2 are still alive - and there are 2 children named on that sheet...William and Ethel. So you think, okay - perhaps it was a prior marriage.... only on William's marriage cert (which I also got today) it says 'Bachelor' for his marital status...
Dudley perhaps born 'the wrong side of the bed-sheets'? Would explain perhaps why there's no birth cert for him.
Also wife Elizabeth M. Hussey (on 1911 census sheet) becomes Lizzie Jane Smith on marriage cert (ok- this in itself is forgivable). However all references to the RIC are dropped. William becomes a 'Clerk' and his father Edward becomes a 'Gentleman'
I should note one thing however - there are 2 index entries for William's marriage in 1886 in Belfast - one in Apr qtr. and the other in Oct qtr. Perhaps the 2nd one has corrections (for one reason or another). Its really not conceivable that a 2nd William Hawthorne Hussey, also with a father Edward, got married in the same 9 month period in Belfast city. Or William's wife Lizzie dies delivering Dudley de Vere H Hussey and he remarries immediately!!!?!?!!? :P
Any other theories ??? ???
Simon
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always more questions than answers. Don't you just love researching family history?
Any chance of posting the certs?
I'd discounted William as the father because of the census info. Just goes to show.
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Be my guest! ;D
Certfificate removed. Only a small portion of a BMD certificate may be posted for clarification purposes.
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here's the other one
Certfificate removed. Only a small portion of a BMD certificate may be posted for clarification purposes.
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Veterinary Surgeon suggests he'll be in some University lists and professional organisation membership list.
Surprised he didn't go for a commission and into the Veterinary Corps - given the reliance the Army had on animals throughout WW1 it would have been an essential skill.
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Yes, that's an interesting one, isn't it. On the birth cert of his son (of the same fantastic name) in 1914, he is down as a Coachman - a bit of a demotion, with all due respect to coachmen ;D
It's certainly another avenue to explore
Certfificate removed. Only a small portion of a BMD certificate may be posted for clarification purposes.
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very odd.
do you think that Dudley De Vere Hawthorne Hussey could actually be the William Hawthorne Hussey junior from the 1911 census?
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It certainly is odd! :o ???
It's hard to find a set of circumstances that fit the facts as laid out.
I thought perhaps he could have been William's Snr's son by a previous undeclared relationship.......studying abroad to become a vet in 1901???..... and 1911 ;D ???
It's all pretty aimless conjecture at this point - I need to dig up some more info somewhere!!
Keep those ideas coming ;)
Simon
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supposing that Dudley and William junior are not the same person, is there any info re William? Can't find a medal index or service record on ancestry that might be him.
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Nope. I thought perhaps William H Hussey of the Leinster Regt - No. 3952 might be him. Medal card refers to Metropolitan police...
I need to visit National Archive to see what RIC records they have on
Edward Frederick Hussey
William Hawthorne Hussey
William Hawthorne Hussey Jnr. (possibly)
George F Hussey
Edwards's father-in-Law Arthur Hawthorne, and son-in-law Samuel Allely!
I only have the essentials package on a******y. I'll need to request a look-up on what it gives on these.... ;) I think it just gives county of birth for RIC men?
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SIhuss
V interested in your chasing up Dudley Hussey. My grandfather was George Forbes Hussey KIA with the Australian Army in 1917 as was his eldest son Arthur Dudley Hussey shortly after.
Apparently there was great distress in Brisbane Queensland when the Irish (home) connection lost cousin Dudley.
Arthur served on Gallipoli with distinction, fell ill and was rehabilitated on Malta spent some time training in England before going to France. I can't find any reference to his court martial, but I can only imagine that like a lot of others he was fed up and 'borrowed' a few things from the French locals. He was only in the stockade for a short while and given the chance of returning to the front - the Australian army was in dire straights for replacements. He was killed in another stupid pommy attack!
Regards
ted Hussey Perth WA
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Hi Ted,
Great to hear from you! - I've sent you a Personal Message with my email address so we can discuss Arthur Dudley and our shared heritage at length.
The subject of this particular thread, Dudley De Vere Hawthorne Hussey, still remains a bit of an enigma. I recently picked up his Silver War Badge entry on ancestry but what happened to him or his family is still a mystery to me. I know his son Albert Edward Hussey was KIA in WWII (see http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2033900 ) but otherwise I'm still in the dark!
Hope to hear from you soon!
Kind regards,
Simon
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I have also married into the Hussey Family and until now have not been all that successful on the Irish side of things beyond Edward Fredrick HUSSEY m Elizabeth HAWTHORNE.
I'm keen to learn more about the Irish and WA Hussey's. Elizabeth HAWTHORNE is my Great-Great-Grandmother-in-Law. Happy to talk more with sihuss and husseyted via private messages and emails.
To the other contributors so far, thanks for your help. Hopefully as my task progresses, I will be able to share some of my research with you.
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Event Type: Birth
Name: Dudley De Vere H Hussey
Registration District: Carrick-On-Shannon
Event Date: Jan - Mar 1914
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 54
Administration with Will Annexed of the Estate of the late William Hawthorne Hussey, Park Mount, Portadown, Co. Armagh, District Inspector Royal Irish Constabulary, who died 12 April 1919, granted at Armagh 30 August 1919 to Elizabeth Jane Hussey, the widow. Effects: £517 18s. Will of William Hawthorne Hussey, District Inspector RIC, dated Oct 1917, Carrick-on-Shannon: property and monies to wife Elizabeth J. Hussey nee Smith and daughter Maud Ethel Hussey in equal shares.
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Thanks to mwylie for the contribution to the thread. And to all other contributors.
I found the answer to all this mess late last year when I got the Death Register entry for William Hussey (d. Belfast 1940) from PRONI.
Although the entry was for WILLIAM Hussey, (Labourer), his wife Laura Adelaide Anderson had 3 years later provided documentation to have it revised to Dudley De Vere Hawthorne Hussey, (Ex-Serviceman). Thus proving once and for all that William Jnr. and Dudley were one and the same person.
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Hi,
Laura Hussey (Nee Anderson) is my great grandmother. My grandmother was Vivian Deeney and I know of one brother, Edward who passed in ww2. Let me know if you want more info
Thanks
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Hi Natalietysoe,
I tried sending you a personal message but apparently your inbox is full.
I think you need to have made 3 posts on Rootschat before you can send PMs.
Anyway, let me know when you've sorted out your inbox and I will send you my email address.
Kind regards,
Simon.
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