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I'm a newbie here and I'm in Australia..so far I have George Venables b 1905 Newcross, his wife Sophia Kreger, his father Albert b 1880 Greenwich, his wife Emily Dennison, his father George b 1842 Romford Essex? his wife Maria Forster (nee Stringer).
Does anyone out there know these people? or their ancestors?
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Welcome to RootsChat Greydad :)
I don't know if you already have this:
Marriage 4 Feb 1878 St James The Great, Bethnal Green
George Venables, full age, bachelor Labourer, residence Bethnal Green, father George Venables deceased
Maria Forster, full age, widow, residence Bethnal Green, father William ?Stringer?, deceased
Witness F Sharp and John Young (all except John Young sign)
Possible first marriage for Maria?
21 Oct 1865, St Mary at Lambeth
William Forster Junior, full age, bachelor, Book Mounter, residence Kennington Lane, father William Forster, Inspector at the Tower
Maria Stringer, full age, spinster, residence Kennington Lane, father William Stringer (no occupation shown)
Witnesses Zebulun Vinson and Sarah Emily Stringer
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In 1871 (RG10/278 82 49), widowed Maria Forster is shown with 2 children: William Forster age 4 born Middlesex St Lukes and Edith M Forster age 2 born Surrey Brixton
Christening 16 Sep 1866 St James Clerkenwell
William Stringer Forster, born 24 Aug 1866, son if William and Maria Forster of 3 Nelson Terrace, father a Book Mounter
Christening September 1868, fiftheenth Sunday after Trinity at Kennington Surrey
Edith Maria Forster, daughter of William and Maria Forster of 22 Treherne Rd N. Brixton, father a Metal Worker
By 1881 these 2 children are shown with the surname Venables.
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Most likely George I can spot on earlier censuses
1861
RG9/1071 129 29
Barking, Essex
Sanna? St
George Venables, head, 54, Ag lab, b. Essex Barking
Elizabeth, wife, 57, b. Wales
Mary, dau, unm, 33, School Mistress, b. Essex Barking
Joseph, son, unm, 26, Ag lab, b. do.
Daniel, son, unm, 23, Ag lab, b. do.
Reuben, son, unm, 20, Grocer's Assistant, b. do.
George, son, unm, 18, Ag lab, b. do.
1851
HO107/1772 579 40
Barking, Essex
1 Dangerfield Buildings
George Venables, head, 45, Gardener, b. Essex Barking
Elizabeth, wife, 47, b. Wales Tregaron
Mary, dau, unm, 23, b. Barking
John, son, 19, Gardener, b. do.
Joseph, son, 17, ditto, b. do.
Daniel, son, 13, ditto, b. do.
Rueben, son, 11, b. do.
George, son, 9, scholar, b. do.
Isaac, son, 4, scholar, b. do.
Martha Morris, dau, wid, 25, Char Woman, b. do.
Archibald Morris, grandson, 2, b. do.
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and Maria:
1861
RG9/185 132 17
Holborn St Andrew, Middlesex
Portpool Lane
William Stringer, head, 60, Labourer Brewery, b. Oxfordshire
Elizabeth, wife, 53, b. St Lukes Middlesex
Sarah E, dau, 18, Book Mounter, b. St Andrews Middlesex
Maria, dau, 16, Saw Peicer, b. do.
Daniel, son, 13, Pupil Teacher, b. do.
1851
HO107/1514 179 51
Holborn St Andrew, Middlesex
25 Portpool Lane
William Stringer, head, 51, Labourer, b. Oxford
Elizabeth, wife, 43, b. London
Joseph, son, 14, Errand, b. do.
Sarah E, dau, 8, b. do.
Maria, dau, 6, b. do.
Daniel, son, 3, b. do.
and before her birth:
1841
HO107/670/2 39 20
St Andrew Holborn Above The Bars, Middlesex
William Stringer, 40, Male Servant, not born in county
Elizabeth, 30
Emma, 15, Trimming (something)
William, 13
John, 11
Elizabeth, 9
Louisa, 6
Joseph, 4
Sarah, 1
George Sherlock, 25, Labourer, not born in county
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A birth cert for one of the children born after the start of civil registration would tell us Elizabeth's maiden name. There are several possible William Stringer / Elizabeth marriages.
A quick look at possible christenings for the children:
- Emma Stringer, 11 Dec 1825, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Lambeth Walk, father a labourer
- William Joseph Stringer, 8 July 1827, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Lambeth Walk, father a labourer
- John Stringer, 2 Aug 1829, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Lambeth Walk, father a labourer
- Elizabeth Stringer, 16 Oct 1831, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Fore St, father a labourer
- Louisa Stringer, 1 Nov 1835, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Fore St, father a labourer (there was an earlier Louisa in 1834 as well - I suppose she died)
- Joseph-Henry Stringer, 17 Dec 1837, St Mary at Lambeth, parents William Stringer and Elizabeth of Hope Place, father a labourer
From there, this marriage looks very likely to me:
17 Oct 1824 St Mary at Lambeth
William Stringer of this parish, bachelor
Elizabeth Ward of this parish, spinster
Witness H T Tomkins
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Well Tati, you've been busy. Thanks for that . It will give me a lot to work on.
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Well, my post has been read 137 times...has anyone out there got anything to add??..
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Well, my post has been read 137 times...has anyone out there got anything to add??..
Hi
Welcome to rootschat :)
It might be better if you post further questions to get the answers you want, it would certainly make it easier for those of us 'looking things up'
Rosie
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Further to my post in Sep 2010...can anyone lay claim to be related to any of these men who were all born Barking Essex UK. John Venables b 1832, Joseph Venables b 1835, Daniel Venables b 1838, Reuben Venables b 1841 and Isaac Venables b 1847??
Thanks to Rosie and Tati
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Hi Greydad, I'm not sure how often you check this website, but I have just found your post. I am the great grandson of William Stringer Forster born 24 August 1866. My great great grandmother Maria Stringer was originally married to his father, also William Forster and they had another daughter Edith but when he died, she remarried George Venables and they went on to have more children, the half brothers and sisters of my great grandad William and his sister Edith. Although they were listed as Venables in the 1881 census, he retained his original name William (Bill) Forster as an adult. His younger half brother Albert (Bert) Venables born 1880 was a market gardener in London and Berts daughter Albertina (Zoe) and my Nana (Bill's daughter Rose) who were 1st cousins used to play as he went door to door with his cart selling vegetables. They were always getting in trouble for stepping on the whitewashed front step of houses. Bert decided to immigrate to Australia and obtained some land on the North side of Rockhampton. He convinced his older half brother Bill to follow him and help with the land. Bill brought his youngest children Arthur, Bert, Rose (my Nan), Ethel and Grace to Rockhampton on the SS Torilla in 1911 where they settled in Depot Hill. The older children were adults by this time and stayed in England. His eldest daughter's name was also Edith, who I guess he named after his younger sister. She was a lady's maid, but eventually also immigrated to be with her family in Rockhampton.
My Nan passed away at 89 back in 1990. She was still very close to her cousin Zoe who devoted her life to the Salvation Army. I still remember Zoe very well and my Mum caught up with her regularly. So Albert (Bert) Venables 1880 was my great, great uncle, younger half brother of my great grandad Bill.
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Hi Lawrie
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
According to his profile, Greydad was online here a couple of months ago.
Hopefully he hasn't switched off his notifications or changed email address so he will get emails telling him that we have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Thanks Dawn :) It's more than likely he'll be a relative :D
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OK I'm back as "greydadgeorge". I tried to register as greydad but was not allowed to as someone else was using that name, yeah, me! killed old computer and now after talking to a new friend about Rootschat got info that LawrieK and someone else had left messages. On 15 May 2012. Thank you very much Lawrie, I dont know where you are but last year I sent some SAE to Woolers and Forsters in Rockhampton Q and only got one response from someone who was no relation.
Currently writing a book about my life in two parts. Part 1 is the family tree sort of thing and where I fit into it. Part 2 is about me, starting from 1948 (3yrs old) and what I have done in my lifetime..
More to come...
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Funny I dont remember getting emails anywhere from Rootschat about replies to my posts...
LawrieK, one of Alberts sons (Max b 1919) wrote some brilliant letters to me and I usually had to spend some time absorbing them. From what I understood William Stringer Forster came out on a ship and jumped ship when he was only a teenager..I didnt know that he had brought any family with him..
Did you know that Maria Stringer Venables was buried in Fawkner Cemetery in outer suburb of Melbourne Vic? I have been out there and found that it is a bare plot..I will put a cross or plaque of identification on it..Albert and Emilys' eldest daughter my Aunt Alberta I believe was named for Emilys second name..More later
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LawrieK, Here's some more about Bill Forster....I have him in Family Tree Maker v11 as William Stringer Forster AKA Venables, b 24 Aug 1866, Middlesex St Lukes, christened St James Clerkenwell on 16 Sep 1866. d 26 Mar 1933 in Queensland Aust. married Sarah Smithers. is this all correct?