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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: jackiej on Tuesday 14 September 10 22:54 BST (UK)
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Hi Everybody,
I have traced my family's tree back to 1797 to my great great great grandfather William Juler born in Norfolk.
I've also discovered his burial in the Burnham Westgate Church cementry in 1863.
However, I have this nagging feeling that my family were not originally from Norfolk, but were settlers from overseas, possibly Dutch Jews.
Is there anybody else who is tracing this family tree who may help me to fnd my roots.
I look forward to hearing from anybody who may help me to piece together my ancestry.
Take care.
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Hiya Jackie and welcome to rootschat...on www.geneanet.org which covers a lot of foreign countries they have the following.....
1719 in Norwich Cathedral is the earliest record in England
1624 is the earliest record and that is in Kurzdorf,Switzerland
for the record there are NO Juler in Holland / Netherlands on that site
Ropeby , Norwich and Stalham in Norfolk seem to be where most Juler are in England ,though there are a few around 1900 in Durham....anyway, I would look at Belgium or Switzerland for your early settlers and not Holland ...even French Heugenots who came to England ...there is someone on Rootschat who traces French Heugenots , so maybe someone can redirect you ....good luck....I`ll do a `search` and see....allan ;)
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http://www.barcham.org.uk/page45.html
may have some info for you...states that John Juler was a watchmaker /clockmaker...makes it look more like Swiss origins.allan :)
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Hi jackiej
I'm not sure if replying to a 7year old post is going to produce any results, but here goes:
I am a researcher at the Munnings Museum in Dedham Essex, the former home of the artist Sir Alfred Munnings. One of the pictures in our collection is a large portrait painted in 1909 entitled 'Cassie Jeweller'. We are fairly sure the young lady portrayed is CATHERINE DRUMMOND JULER. born 1885 in Norwich. I have worked out her parentage, siblings, her marriage in London in 1914 and her death in 1980. I believe her ancestors were Hugenots.
Ouside of these bare bones I am looking for more in depth information as to exactly who she was and what she was doing before her marriage and if anyone has any photos of her at any point during her life.
Perhaps this is a longshot, but if you have something that might throw some light on her, I would grateful for any info you may have.
Best regards
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Not sure about in depth information but we can give you census information.
In the 1901 census Catherine is a boot machinist living with her parents Edward and Eliza and six siblings. The address is 22, Caernarvon Road, Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk
Piece number 1846
Folio 68
Page 29
The surname has been transcribed as Julier.
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Hi. Thanks for your reply. At some point she also became an artist's model. However she doesn't appear in the 1911 census anywhere. But in 1914, giving an address in London, she marries a man twice her age who had only be widowed 3 months earlier. Somewhere there is a story about her to be unearthed.
Regards
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Did you look to see if she was living at the 1914 address in the 1911 census?
Or is the address the same as her husband's in the 1911 - Sutton Lodge Ipswich Road, Norwich?
He has an unusual middle name doesn't he - Frederick Wilemer
This looks to be his birth registration
SKIPPER, FREDERICK WILEMER WILEMER
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in MITFORD & LAUNDITCH Volume 04B Page 268
Looks like he was illegitimate and around 25/26 years older than Catherine. Have I found the right man? Sidetracking a bit here!
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She was not living at the 1914 address - 24 Cambridge Terrace, Paddington - in the 1911 census. The place seems to have been a kind of lodging house.
Re the husband - yes you have the right guy. he was a Norwich architect and the brother of the more famous architect George Skipper - known as 'the Gaudi of Norwich'.
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You have most of this, but there is a little more .
On her marriage in 1911 her sister Emily Courtney Juler is a witness, she is at home with her parents in 1911. The other witness is Gertrude Kebble. In 1911 Gertude Kebble 49 is a vergers wife living at 28 Star Street, Edgeware, she was previously Curtis.
In 1911 Catherine`s father was a Brewers Traveller, but she describes him as a gentleman at her marriage .
Is she gilding the lily a bit. ???
Marriage bond.
Catherine is of the Parish of St Michaels, Star St , Paddington. Usual abode for 15 days.
Frederick is of Lakenham , Norwich,
On the marriage entry her address is 24 Cambridge Terrace
Frederick is of 15 Ipswich Road, Norwich.
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I can`t edit my post but the marriage was in 1914.
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Hi,
I've been researching the Julers for a while, as my 2xggf was adopted into the Juler family.
I've written a lot of what I've discovered into WikiTree here.
This is the bio of William Fox Juler, chemist and druggist of Norwich https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Juler-31
- his forbears go back to John Juler, famous watch and clockmaker of North Walsham, Norfolk,
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Juler-9
and his ancestors, who, the story goes, were French Huguenot jewellers who fled persecution in about 1680, in the reign of Louis XIV. That would certainly fit the name; 'le joaillier' being French for 'jeweler'.
I don't know if any of these bios are relevant to you, but you might find a few details which would be useful.
I haven't yet managed to get any further than Matthew Juler, John's father. That said, I haven't visited Matthew for about three years (too many other rabbit holes) and by now I might know enough to be able to do better research.
Feel free to contact me, if you'd like to.
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Maybe be related to your search?
St Peter and St Paul , Knapton, Norfolk
Burials;
MATTHEW Jeuler 11 Jan 1742/3 age 52
HANNAH Juler 2 Aug 1751, Daug of Matthew/Hannah
HANNAH Juler 2 Dec 1765, Widow
Source FreeREG
Trish :)
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Jewish history in Norwich I saw on a TV programme goes back to medieval times.
The Norfolk Record Office may be able to help you.
This link may be interesting to you...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-65745075
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Thank you! :)
The idea that the Julers are of Jewish descent is very attractive, but unless someone with DNA data comes forward, probably not provable.
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Maybe be related to your search?
St Peter and St Paul , Knapton, Norfolk
Burials;
MATTHEW Jeuler 11 Jan 1742/3 age 52
HANNAH Juler 2 Aug 1751, Daug of Matthew/Hannah
HANNAH Juler 2 Dec 1765, Widow
Source FreeREG
Trish :)
This might well be very relevant. Thank you very much for the tip! :)
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I wonder if they might have had a local origin. There are these Julers or Julier in or not far from North Walsham. Gimmingham and Crostwight are a few miles away and Foulsham is 15 miles.
1595 Common Pleas. Julier, Richard, of North Walsham, yeoman
https://waalt.uh.edu/index.php/IDXCP40no1541
1596 Common Pleas. Juler or Inler, Nicholas, of Foulsham, yeoman
https://waalt.uh.edu/index.php/CP40/1578-9:_A-J
1629-30 Probate inventory. Juler, William, Gimmingham, yeoman
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/5a920459-da72-4e8e-8b99-5bc3030b85c7
1697-9 Probate inventory. Juler, Joshua, of Crostwight, yeoman
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/319d3772-3c31-4a9c-acec-8f16d98dd76d
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There were Julers all across Norfolk. Spellings vary, of course.
These are just a few. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Juler-28
I haven't had time to create new profiles as I've been focusing on other branches of my family - you know how it is.
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They also spread to Cambridgeshire, where they were iron founders.
https://archive.org/details/cambridgeironfou0000unse/page/8/mode/2up?q=Mr+Juler+Norwich