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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: sadiemc on Tuesday 14 September 10 08:21 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am researching the 'Margetson' family from Gt Ellingham and have come to a dead end. I would love to hear from anyone who is researching this family.
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hi sadiemc
why dont you post some info of what your looking for to see if we can help
trevor
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Hi
The difficulty I am having is explained below:
My gt gt grandfather was Ernest Margetson born to Susannah Margetson Rockland Workhouse 3/11 1890 bap 4/12 1890. This info was recorded by a researcher I employed from the workhouse registers.
Susannah's sister Sarah Ann Margetson also had a son Ernest Margetson Rockland Workhouse 16/12 1890 bap 12/2 1890. This info was also recorded by the researcher. I also have Ernest's birth certificate stating his mother as Sarah Ann. I also have his death certificate date of death 12/2 1891.
All seems quite simple so far two children born to two sisters.
But why would two sisters give their children the same name?
I have searched all the birth indexes that I can think of but I cannot find Susannah's sons birth entry. There is only one listed in Q1 1891 and this is Sarah Ann's.
Also I cannot trace a Ernest Margetson in the 1891 census. Susannah is recorded as being with her daughter Edith and employer Julia Hart.
In 1892 Susannah marries Robert Semmence and by 1901 Ernest is recorded as a Semmence.
Ernest is also missing from the 1911 census.
On Ernest's death certificate his date of birth is recorded as 3/11 1891.
Hope you can assist. I have a feeling that only parish registers may be able to help. What do you think?
Sadie
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Hi Sadie,
You're in luck. Both these baptisms are on the Family search pilot site.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#w=0&p=waypoint&s=waypointsOnly&c=fs%3A1416598
Scroll down to Rockland St Peter, baptisms 1813-1906, and they're both on page 47 (of 53)
Yorkslass
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Hi
Thankyou so much for this reference. This has helped me eliminate a brick wall I have had for ages. The website is extremely useful and one that I have not heard of before.
Once again thankyou.
sadie
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Do you have a Ann Magetson bn 4th March 1828 in your tree.
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Hello Sadie, are you still there?
If you read this please let me know as I would like to talk re this family.
Cheers,
Brian
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Hi Brian
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
According to her profile, Sadie hasn't been online here since June 2015 but as long as her email address hasn't changed she should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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HI,
Welcome to RootsChat
At the bottom of each RootsChat page under "Your Tools" you will see a sub heading "Surname Interests Table" - this is where you can add your own surname and interests. At a quick glance there are 2 "Chatters" who have listed Margetson - might be worth having a look.
http://surname.rootschat.com/sit-surnames.php?letter1=M&letter2=2&surname=MARGETSON#top_tv
Sandra
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Hi
I am still here I was just trying to work out how to reply. What did you what to know?
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Pleased to see you got message. Some years ago I started researching all Margetsons worldwide in the hope of seeing how/when/where there might be a tie-up between them all. As a result I now have a tree with your Gt. Ellingham family group which I believe may start with a John Margetson and Ann ? who married in that village on 25th November, 1731. There were a number of Margetsons in that area to the West/South West of Norwich. The tree I have for your group has over 600 people and I would be very happy to answer any questions you may have. I will assume that you now have the answers to the questions in your earlier posts on Rootschat?
Bye for now,
Brian Margetson
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Pleased to see you got message. Some years ago I started researching all Margetsons worldwide in the hope of seeing how/when/where there might be a tie-up between them all. As a result I now have a tree with your Gt. Ellingham family group which I believe may start with a John Margetson and Ann ? who married in that village on 25th November, 1731. There were a number of Margetsons in that area to the West/South West of Norwich. The tree I have for your group has over 600 people and I would be very happy to answer any questions you may have. I will assume that you now have the answers to the questions in your earlier posts on Rootschat?
Bye for now,
Brian Margetson
Hi Brian
I am a Margetson living in Australia - my family tree goes back to
Richard Margetson
born 1740
married
Esther Blanchflower
born 1773
Abraham Margetson
born 1766
died 05/1856
buried 05/06/1856
St Mary, Cranworth
married
Elizabeth
born 1784
died 05/1867
burried 01/06/1867
St Nicholas, East Dereham
Does this match any of your links - if so please let me know some blanks and any details going further back.
Cheers
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Richard Margetson..........born 1740.........ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1730 AND 1740
married………1766…….Banns were read on 2nd, 9th and 16th November. Both were single and OTP.
Esther Blanchflower born 1773 ??……………burial was 1st March, 1772 which was the same day that her daughter Susan was baptised.
Abraham Margetson born 1766………..1769…….Baptised 19th March, 1769 in Ovington.
died 05/1856 buried 05/06/1856 St Mary, Cranworth
married Elizabeth born 1784 died 05/1867…………………died..28th May, 1867 & burried 01/06/1867
St Nicholas, East Dereham
Notes I have for Abraham:-
1……He signed as witness to 4 marriages between 1808 and 1818 in Cranworth. Presumably he did so as a friend and not as parish clerk or warden.
2……..The Norfolk Chronicle dated 11th September, 1813. Abraham acquired a 'Gamekeeper's Certificate' at a cost of £1-5-0 for 1813. This covered areas of:- Letton, Cranworth, Southburgh, Reymerstone, Stow Bedon and Stow Beckerton. Mr. Theos. T. Gurdon Esq
3………Most records show him as a 'Farmer' except for the birth records of some children when he is a 'Keeper' or 'Gamekeeper'.
4……1841 census; A 'Farmer' living on Black Moor Row in Shipdham. He is with his wife and 4 children.
5……..1851 census; Living at Blackmoor Row, Shipdham. He is a 'Farmer' of 32 acres, employing 1 labourer.
NOTES for Elizabeth CROSS
1st June, 1867. Memorial number BT18 in parish of East Dereham. Inscription: In memory of Elizabeth Margetson died May 28th, 1867 aged 84 years.
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Your tree I have named WISBECH and I have another tree I named MACCLESFIELD.
I strongly believe that they should be merged. Wisbech had Richard and Esther with 5 children and the other has a Richard and an Ann FLUTER with 6 children.
When he married Ann on 6 January 1784 he was a widower and presume Esther was first wife. Although I am of the opinion that they are the same man, I have not merged them yet. Still on the lookout for one more bit of evidence to prove the case.
Bye for now,
Brian
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Richard Margetson..........born 1740.........ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1730 AND 1740
married………1766…….Banns were read on 2nd, 9th and 16th November. Both were single and OTP.
Esther Blanchflower born 1773 ??……………burial was 1st March, 1772 which was the same day that her daughter Susan was baptised.
Abraham Margetson born 1766………..1769…….Baptised 19th March, 1769 in Ovington.
died 05/1856 buried 05/06/1856 St Mary, Cranworth
married Elizabeth born 1784 died 05/1867…………………died..28th May, 1867 & burried 01/06/1867
St Nicholas, East Dereham
Notes I have for Abraham:-
1……He signed as witness to 4 marriages between 1808 and 1818 in Cranworth. Presumably he did so as a friend and not as parish clerk or warden.
2……..The Norfolk Chronicle dated 11th September, 1813. Abraham acquired a 'Gamekeeper's Certificate' at a cost of £1-5-0 for 1813. This covered areas of:- Letton, Cranworth, Southburgh, Reymerstone, Stow Bedon and Stow Beckerton. Mr. Theos. T. Gurdon Esq
3………Most records show him as a 'Farmer' except for the birth records of some children when he is a 'Keeper' or 'Gamekeeper'.
4……1841 census; A 'Farmer' living on Black Moor Row in Shipdham. He is with his wife and 4 children.
5……..1851 census; Living at Blackmoor Row, Shipdham. He is a 'Farmer' of 32 acres, employing 1 labourer.
NOTES for Elizabeth CROSS
1st June, 1867. Memorial number BT18 in parish of East Dereham. Inscription: In memory of Elizabeth Margetson died May 28th, 1867 aged 84 years.
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Your tree I have named WISBECH and I have another tree I named MACCLESFIELD.
I strongly believe that they should be merged. Wisbech had Richard and Esther with 5 children and the other has a Richard and an Ann FLUTER with 6 children.
When he married Ann on 6 January 1784 he was a widower and presume Esther was first wife. Although I am of the opinion that they are the same man, I have not merged them yet. Still on the lookout for one more bit of evidence to prove the case.
Bye for now,
Brian
Thanks Brian - where can i find the rest of these family trees? Are they uploaded to a particular website?
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You may already have these?
Marriage;
22 Dec 1795, St Mary, Cranworth
Abraham MARGETSON to Mary BATTERBEE
Both of Letton Parish at time of Marriage
Witnesses, John Howse/James Rudland
Children Baptised same Church;
ABRAHAM, 25 July 1796 (birth 20 July), Buried 16 Aug 1801 age 4
ALICE, 10 March 1798 (birth 5 March)
EDWARD, 4 Jan 1800 (birth 11 Jan)
ABRAHAM, 31 Oct 1808 (birth 27 Oct), extra info Mother nee Batterby
MARY Margetson Buried 20 Sep 1808, St Mary, age 35, Wife of Abraham
Marriage;
11 Oct 1810, St Mary, Cranworth
Abraham MARGETSON, Widower, to Elizabeth CROSS, Single
Witnesses, Philip Gurdon/Frances Batterbee
Child Baptised same Church;
MARIA, 25 Oct 1811 (birth 23 Oct)
Other Children at All Saints, Shipdham;
SOPHIA, 28 April 1816
ELIZA, 19 April 1818
RICHARD, 30 May 1819, Buried 191 Jan 1822, Infant
JOHN, 9 Jan 1822 (all have Father as a Farmer)
JOHN, 13 April 1823 (Gamekeeper)
WILLIAM, 10 April 1826 (Farmer)
Trish :)
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Something strange here;
Quote;
Esther Margetson, burial was 1st March, 1772 which was the same day that her daughter Susan was baptised.
FreeREG entry on this Burial Esther is described as Widow of Richard Margetson
(possibly should be Wife)
Burials;
St Bartolph, Stow Bedon
ANN Margetson, 20 Nov 1803, Age 47, Wife of RICHARD
RICHARD Margetson, 07 Apr 1807, Widower, age 70 years (birth c 1737)
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RICHARD, 30 May 1819, Buried 191 Jan 1822, Infant
Nope - this is wrong. Richard was my 3x Great Grandfather - here is what i have on him
Richard
bapt/ 30/05/1819
died 07/1858
buried 19/07/1858
St Mary, Santon Downham
married Q4 1843
Ann Hawes
born 1823
died 03/1884
buied 04/04/1884
St Mary, Santon Downham
I think you have mixed him up with his brother
John
born 09/01/1819
bapt 30/05/1819
died 19/01/1822
After this John passed away they had another John
John
bapt/ 13/04/1823
married
Susana Lovell
born 1823
(Susannah Covell)
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FreeREG definitely has the 19 Jan 1822 Burial as RICHARD Margetson, Infant,
Son of Abraham/Elizabeth
Abode Shipdham
I was only posting what I found.
They Burial entry I agree may be for John born 1819 but that is not what is entered on FreeREG.
Trish :)
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Going back to earlier post on this thread - re. 2 Ernest's. Poster querying that Susannah's son's birth not registered but indeed he was!
His name at baptism was Ernest George Margetson but his birth was registered as Ernest George Margertson in Dec.qtr.1891 Wayland. His birth and baptism were 1891 not 1890 as stated.
Susannah may have simply named her son in honour of her nephew Ernest who died an infant earlier that year.
Annette
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Abraham and Batterbee had 6 issue so you can add these 2:-
Henry.........21 February 1803 in Cranworth with Letton & bapt. 24th February, 1803.
Susannah.........11 December 1805 in Cranworth with Letton & bapt. 22nd December, 1805.
Susannah married Edward CLARKE 19 October 1826, Shipdham.
Note: also Edward Clarke Oakley. [never found his actual names].
Banns and Marriage registers clearly written Edward Clarke Oakley. Also in baptism registers for children as Edward Oakley Clarke. Witnesses to marriage to Susanna:- John Clarke Oakley & Maria Cross. All 4 signed.
1841 census.....Family of 8 living in Hill Street, Shipdham.
1851 census.....Susan and Edward have 7 children at home in Fen Falgate, Shipdham.
1861 census…..Same address 10 years later but only 2 children still at home with parents.
1871 census…..On their own now, both aged 65 and still in Fen Falgate, Shipdham.
She was baptised as Hannah which is very clear in the register.
Assumed that Hannah and Susannah are the same person. Banns and Marriage registers:- Susanna Margetson spinster OTP. She signed clearly as Margetson. Banns were read on 24th September, 1st and 8th October, 1826.
Re your comment……it is wife of…..see web link
FreeREG entry on this Burial Esther is described as Widow of Richard Margetson
(possibly should be Wife)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D1MS-B85?i=7&wc=92BL-VZG%3A30022501%2C29358102%2C29598801%3Fcc%3D1416598&cc=1416598
John……………was baptised 9th January, 1822. See link
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D5Y3-GC2?mode=g&i=33&wc=92BF-ZNP%3A30191101%2C29359202%2C29515601%3Fcc%3D1416598&cc=1416598
born 09/01/1819
bapt 30/05/1819…………this was Richard. No mention of a John. See link
died 19/01/1822
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D5Y3-P1N?mode=g&i=24&wc=92BF-ZNP%3A30191101%2C29359202%2C29515601%3Fcc%3D1416598&cc=1416598
John was buried 19th January, 1822 in Cranworth with Letton. He was an infant and incorrectly named as Richard in parish records. See link
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRNQ-YDN?i=8&wc=92B2-D5S%3A29466301%2C29369001%2C29366501%3Fcc%3D1416598&cc=1416598